I… just… what? There are so many problems in the world, if conspiracy theorists want to feel good about themselves they can pick any of them to work on without making fake problems up.
computing and mathematics lecturer?
Coming soon, how two and two make five?
Indeed, you are a twit! Watch the film and keep an open mind. And if you are worried about being exposed to “propaganda”, listen to the UNEDITED interviews on the House of Numbers weblite or on youtube. But I know you won’t. Hearing things you have already made your mind up about causes… thinking.
“A spokesman for the University of Brighton said: “The screening of this film was organised by an individual member of university staff who has no academic or professional expertise in health sciences.”
Was he intending to pay for it himself too? Has there been a cost to cancel? Shouldn’t he be made to pay that?
Shouldn’t they also discipline him for not minding his own mathematical bloody business?
I’m not a scientist but it sounds pretty mad to me.
What are they afraid of? If they are so sure of their science, then show the film and have an open debate about it.
And while we’re at it, we can have an “open debate” about whether the earth is flat, whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya, and whether the Queen is in reality an extraterrestrial shape-shifting reptilian humanoid.
If it’s good enough for youtube it’s good enough for a British university.
That’s very scientific of you Jakub, could you feign any less emotion?
Ah, this is my uni and I’ve been watching this unfold since last week. In the end the cancellation of the screening is actually somewhat unfortunate, as a group of students had managed to book the same room the film was to be shown in in the time slot immediately afterwards (it’s the last week of term, so there are very few room bookings right now, which is probably how Mr Cox was able to slip in under the radar and set this screening up in the first place). Some people from Terrence Higgins had been invited and it was turning into a very productive event; a screening of the film followed by a robust debate about and debunking of it.
However, Mr Cox refused to attend this post screening meeting, and was very angry it was taking place, which is what eventually lead to it’s cancellation.
He has since promised to reschedule the screening at a different location where it will be staffed entirely by supporters without the “threat” of peaceful protest or debate. :-/
OK, Acg, thanks very much for this report “from the ground”! From what you say it sounds like Cox is a denialist who will brook no dissent from the codswallop that is this film, hence he is intent on showing it in an uncontested environment. What’s his real agenda, I wonder? Is he a Christian? Or is he just a deluded nutter?
So every time a controversial film is shown, there must be a debate afterwards? Sounds like a lynching was planned, based on the comment “…a robust debate debunking it.”
What is his real agenda? He wants people to see that science, which is at the heart of this matter, is never a closed book. It has never been scientifically shown that “HIV”, whatever it is, causes a collapse of the immune system, or does anything at all.
Obviously, it is the school and the lynch mob that would be waiting for him outside the theatre which “brooks no dissent.”
I’m against censorship. If this film is indeed codswallop—and it sounds like it is—then screening it shouldn’t be a problem, so long as well-informed people see through this conspiracy-theory nonsense.
I would no sooner countenance its screening (without a following debate) on University property than I would a talk by the BNP. Its nothing to do with censorship but it is to do with decent minded people taking a stance against something that is wholly unacceptable and has been proved so time and time again. Let him go and book a public space away from the University and as many of his supporters can turn up on their own as they wish – and at his or their expense..
…nothing to do with censorship? It has everything to do with censorship. Let the students watch it and decide for themselves. If the film is so ridiculous, they will see it as that and ignore it. Decent minded people would go along with that; opened minded people, anyway.
Nothing has been “proven so time and time again.” This is why this subject is controversial. This is why this movement has traction, and why there is not a similar movement to prove the nonexistence of say, Lyme’s disease.
I would agree that there is no harm in a debate afterwards.
Can’t believe this sort of nonsense propaganda is still doing the rounds
Sounds to me like the so-called “University of Brighton” needs to seriously review it employment of computing and mathematics lecturer Karl Deluded Cox!
Just in case anybody here was not around three years when we were all raging about this appalling film, it’s very slick, very glossy, well made, and it features several interviews with reputable scientists. However those scientists were conned and once the film was out and they saw how their statements had been misinterpreted they dissociated themselves from the film.
The film-maker was revealed to be a young guy just out of film school who was intent upon making a splash by stirring up controversy. And the other thing was that one of his main supporters was a homophobic cop in LA, who actually joined us on these threads.
Here are 2 old pages I’ve found:
Eddy has bee around here 7 years ago and people have been raging about Eddy and say that s/ he’s dangerous and malicious. his comments are slick, glossy rants with no point at all. Eddy will never reveal s/he ‘s real identity but this is typical and common of “HIV Scientists’ guised as scientists. some pozzies are turned on by pushing drugs and misinformation on the www. Eddy is dangeorus, beware of Pelicophobic people who bring up the past.
Just to say, I was the one who went to talk to Dr Cox and organised the discussion. Although I immediately became very wary when he replied good when I said it may encurage HIV+ positive students to not take their medication and he replied “good” I requested a discussion afterwards in the same room. On the provider that we set ground rules so everyone’s opinions could be respected and people were free to talk without fear of intimidation or interruption.
He agreed so I started organising the discussion group with a member of THT and with the rest of the LGBT society as well as anyone else who wanted to come.
Then two days before the screening, Dr Cox e-mailed me to say that he had talked to his colleagues at the world foundation for natural science and they did not want a discussion. He made it clear there would be no room for any verbal questions after the film and said if anyone wanted to ask something we could write it on a piece of paper and get back to him.
I understand that all of the Heads of Department at the University of Brighton are now fully aware of this Dr Cox’s beliefs and they have requested the Head of Marketing at the university to issue a statement disassociating the university from Dr. Cox’s views. Whatever action the university may take against this irresponsible individual has not been disclosed.
Well, for those interested in watching the documentary and actually be better equipped to form an opinion about it it can be found on the internet. All you need to do is go to youtube.com and search for “House of Numbers full documentary” ;-)
Many of us here watched that cheap piece of film-making three years ago.
It would sicken me to watch such mendacious film-making again.
The follow-up to HON, The Emperor’s New Virus is also excellent.
It seems academia and “health experts” have such irrational fear that their views may be contradicted, they want to control the thinking of the population. It is an insult to the intelligence of mankind. Why not allow everyone to look at the evidence and make personal choices? This mind set reminds me of religious cults that “protect” their members from outside influences. Bad stuff.
“We now live in a nation where doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the press destroys information, religion destroys morals, and our banks destroy the economy.” Chris Hedges
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I’m reminded here of the AIDS Denialist Christine Maggiore and her documentary film What If Everything You Thought You Knew about AIDS Was Wrong?
She gave birth to 2 children and continued to breast-feed even though there were inherent dangers. Her daughter Eliza died at aged 3 of died of Pneumocystis jiroveci pneumonia, considered to be an AIDS-defining illness.
Christine who was not on any HIV medication suddenly dies at home at the age of 52 of bilateral pneumonia, with oral candidiasis as a contributing cause, all of which can be related to HIV infection though her death was put down to flu and stress!
AIDS Denialists are playing with people’s lives. Sure, screen the film but let people know that it’s encouraging premature death and unnecessary suffering when HIV is an entirely treatable, though chronic, condition.