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Government to issue official response to same-sex marriage consultation on Tuesday

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  1. DCBrighton 10 Dec 2012, 4:37pm

    That made for some great viewing.
    Culture Secretary AND Equalities Minister Maria Miller was fantastic.

    Stupidest question award to David Nuttall MP

    “As Christmas is approaching, and many Christmas presents will be dictionaries, will the Government be redefining any other words?”

    Would NOT like to be one of Nuttall’s kids waking up on Christmas Day!

    The Speaker John Bercow’s closing words were more than subtle, hinting that a ‘joyous’ announcement will be made tomorrow.

    1. Yes, it was, and I for one was amazed. But it was very reassuring to see and hear such agreement from all sides of the house. All dissent around the issue was to do with ‘protecting’ religions organisations and shielding them from any human rights legal challenge. The religious lot who are against same sex marriage should should hang their heads in shame.

    2. Am I the only one thinking that announcing this just before Christmas is rather well timed? In the season of ‘goodwill towards all men’ it will be interesting to see how much bigotry is spewed out without any sense of shame or irony!

      1. plus a slap in the face to all the bigoted old arseholes that call themself christians. lol

  2. Equality Network 10 Dec 2012, 4:37pm

    The announcement tomorrow will be about equal marriage in England and Wales only. The Scottish Govt will be publishing its own draft bill for equal marriage – we hope very soon now!

    1. DCBrighton 10 Dec 2012, 4:50pm

      I hope so. In a way it’s quite good that there seems to be a bit of healthy rivalry. Scotland first to declare the outcome of its consultation. E&W announcing first draft bill tomorrow. Pushing the envelope so to speak.

      Equal marriage is more or less a done deal in Scotland and in England & Wales. When, Is the question now.

      I hope that Scotland gets it done a little bit quicker, if only to bring tourism and a bit of magic back to Gretna Green.

      1. Hmm. I’m not sure that we’ll see the first draft tomorrow (unless I missed something) I only hear Maria M refer to HMG’s response to the consultation.

        Either way, glad to see movement taking place. Sorry if that sounds like an advert for Ex-Lax! :)

    2. Meanwhile Northern Ireland will remain locked in the 1950s.

      1. Presumably, once marriage equality becomes the norm in Europe (which might take a long time), the European Court of Human Rights will move towards the view that the ECHR guarantees a right to same-sex marriage (it can easily be interpreted either way, really – part of their reasoning in the Austrian case is that only a minority of COE member states have legalised it) and force it on the holdouts, as they did with sodomy laws. Perhaps NI will beat many Eastern European countries, though?

      2. Came under Maine 10 Dec 2012, 6:08pm

        I think you meant to say 1590’s.

  3. Well, she does appear to be on our side, given her less than favourable voting record in the past, I am slightly impressed.

  4. Robert in S. Kensington 10 Dec 2012, 5:37pm

    Why doesn’t someone shut that bigot David Burrows up once and for all? He’s really an ignorant fool to even suggest the government should hold a consultation on polygamy. I do wish some MPs would counter them and put them in their place for a change. I’m sick and tired of these stupid games and equally stupid rhetoric. There is more than ample evidence that no such thing would ever happen, so why doesn’t someone challenge them?

  5. “Edward Leigh then questioned David Cameron’s recent decision to publicly announce his support for same-sex marriages in churches and told Mrs Miller that the proposals were not in the consultation.”

    I’m fairly sure that when I filled in the consultation, it specifically asked whether or not you would support religious same-gender marriages, and the responses by various religious and LGBT groups discussed this. Even if it hadn’t, the whole point of a consultation is to gather information and views for the government to take into account when it is deciding what to do. If a consultation committed the government to a specific course of action, there would be no point in responding to it.

    How can someone who has been an MP for nearly 30 years have so little understanding of how the government works?

    1. You are right. Question 5 stated “The Government does not propose to open up religious marriage to same sex couples. Do you agree or disagree?” It couldn’t be much clearer!!

  6. Jock S. Trap 10 Dec 2012, 6:11pm

    I listened with interest and was delighted in the majority of support and found laughable the bigots within who just make themselves stand out as totally stupid.

    Those bigots within religion continue to show themselves up as even recent events on this and women bishops show them to be too out-dated for anyone in a decent society to take seriously. They should continue to dig that hole while the rest of society tries to improve.

    Look forward to tomorrow!!

  7. I hope there will be a backlash against these (anti) MP’s at the next election. If America can go gay politically as has just happened it explains why Cameron is going for this in a big way. He has realised that shouting for gay marriage did Obama no harm at all.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 10 Dec 2012, 7:53pm

      Except that David Cameron declared support for equal marriage in 2010, long before Obama did. That said, there will be a backlash against those MPs in opposition who seem to think it will be the reverse. The Tory party needs to appeal to tomorrow’s younger crop of voters, not yesterday’s if it’s to compete with Labour in the years ahead. Supporting equal marriage was a very wise move on Cameron’s part in spite of the Tory infighting. Sometimes, people like that need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century. That’s why we’re seeing some resistance by some of them, ludicrous statements notwithstanding. Ten years from now, those same idiots will look back and realise what utter fools they were.

      1. If they are still around then that is! lol.

    2. I think your reference to the US elections and Obama’s victory is very relevant: right up to the end, despite all the polls to the contrary, the right-wing Republican nutjobs deluded themselves they were winning, having closed their ears and minds to the views of their opponents long before…Anyone interested in visiting the equivalent parallel universe over here might checkout the daily telegraph website and the comments section on any article referring to equal marriage….there the best means offered by the foaming-at-the-mouth brigade to punish the ‘treacherous Tories’ is to vote UKIP, thereby ensuring a Labour government….Fortunately most of them will have died out before the next election anyway, Darwin willing….

      1. The comments on the DT under gay marriage articles are unbelievable. The people posting them are odious, callous and vile. Thankfully they are dying out.

  8. Bob Stewart Bob Stewart – so good they named him twice

  9. Robert in S. Kensington 10 Dec 2012, 7:03pm

    Where is Stonewall UK in all this? Not a word from them since that bus advertisement months ago. Why the silence, why isn’t it proactive and countering the bigots for a change?

    1. Probably because Stonewall wisely tends to work in the background.

      But also possibly because C4M are doing Stonewall’s job for them.

      Even my right-of-centre chums (yes, I have them: I’m a tolerant soul) seem to feel that C4M and its ilk have taken leave of their senses.

      Did you see the part fo today’s debate where Peter Bottomley MP ripped Colin Hart a new poo-chute? Hart must be so proud to be called ‘disgusting’ and have that forever in Hansard. :)

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