Catholic bishop: David Cameron is ‘devoid of moral competence’ for supporting same-sex marriage
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He really does look like a bitter, lonely man.
I do find it ironic that the Catholic Church, who don’t allow their priests to marry, have such an opinionated view of equal marriage.
And I was always under the impression that their priests were “married” to god, so doesn’t that make them all hypocritical?
If Priests are married to God, and they call God ‘Father’ …. aren’t they then in a same-sex marriage???? Just asking!!!!
an incestuous same sex marriage!
and if we’re talking the father, the son and the holy spirit then it’s a polygamous incestuous same sex marriage. Hypocrites.
Heh.
The ONLY reason catholic priests don’t marry is for inheritance reasons. Priests USED to marry until the vatican realised they were missing out on the valuable estates of deceased priests which were, rightly, passing to their widows. So, the vatican stopped priests marrying. Organised religion has always been about power, control and, above all, wealth. If they TRUELY followed biblical teachings, wouldn’t they give away the vast wealth of the church and ‘live as the birds of the field’? Ah no – sorry. They only choose to obey the bits that suit their own ends ….
In part – but there was also the need to be ‘pure’ before celebrating the liturgy, which included no hanky-panky the night before. As daily celebrations became the norm, married life became difficult. At least that’s what I heard as an altar boy……………………………….
It shows how twisted they are if they think that having sex makes someone less pure the following day. It says they think sex is dirty. Personally, if there’s mutual consent, I can see anything wrong with it.
Except of course for their notorious history of ‘kiddie fiddling’!
Voldemort?
I really wish Catholics would stop banging on about morality – something they are woeful ill-equipped to comment on.
So, if backing the formal recognition of consensual adult relationships makes someone “devoid of moral competence”, what category does protecting those who rape children fall under?
“devout Catholicism”?
This bishop is a malevolent old man who amply emphasises that the Roman Catholic Church is the working of evil in the world. Most people will not be interested in a foreign organisation which has, throughout a great deal of our history, been seen as a pariah state now headed by an evil old man who well represents his roots in the Hitler Youth.
AHitlr, Goebbels, Eichmann, Himmler, and Mengele were catholics and learned their hate in cath schools.
55 million died for these monsters.
and now thisone from 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/world/europe/25pope.html?pagewanted=all
#Newsflash#
The Prime Minister is *not* there to solely represent Christians.
The Prime Minister is there to represent everybody. Christian and non-Christian alike. Gays and straights. Minorities and the majority alike.
If you want a Christian leader there solely for you, go to church.
And leave the running of a nation to someone who hasn’t got his head in the clouds, quite literally.
Indeed… as they constant bang on about the UK is represented by multi-culturalism so the Prime Minister must serve for all Not just Bigoted Christians and their other bigoted religious folk!
This bishop does not represent ‘Christians’ – only some of them. I am one and have little sympathy with anything he stands for.
so failing to impose catholic morals on people who aren’t catholic makes someone devoid of moral competence?
We let people with these views run part of the state education system why?
Some people just need to get over themselves!
She really looks sad. I pity her.
You don’t like someone, so lets insult them by associating them with trans women? Because everyone knows, being trans is so horrible that calling someone who looks male, “her”, is a huge insult, right? /sarcasm
Yes, it actually does matter. Every time a trans woman sees this, they wince. You are hurting people. Stop it.
People use ‘her’ to fellow ‘queens’, implying in this case, that the bishop is a closeted gay like so many of his brethren. People using her to refer to presumptively gay men is not transphobic, even when they do it satirically.
Really -11? I referred to him as a bit of a C.U.N.T. btw. V.A.T.I.C.U.N.T. for that matter. Very Assertive Thou Incredibly Clever Unfortunately Not Tolerant.
It is quite understandable. The church has had its way for far too long, fooling the sheep that unthinkingly follow whatever nonsense it spouts. Now that more and more people are recognising the vile hate it peddles under the lying claim of ‘love’, it is trying to play the victim card. It would like us to believe that by being given a choice it is being persecuted, knowing full well that there is no other way of disguising the true, disgusting nature of the institution.
An unmarried old bigot who works for an outfit full of peadophiles lecturing US on ‘morality’? Oh please! I urge the devine Mr Devine to keep spewing forth his messages of hate. This will only hasten the end of the catholic church .. and hopefully, organised religion in general.
Nick Weeks How DARE this Bishop pretend that “Christians” support his bigoted and homophobic views ?!
There are plenty of good Christians, as well as members of many other faiths and none, who strongly support equal marriage, and the right of each Church or faith to determine for itself whether or not it will solemnise same-sex marriages.
“He has also accused the PM of undermining family life for allegedly refusing to support moves by Christians at the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) to demand their right to wear the cross at work.”
Wait, what? What has wearing a cross at work to do with family life? Family life takes place at home, unless you work in a place run by your family. Or do these people feel their work IS their family? I’m confused. What is the logic?
Of course, it’s also generally considered a bad idea for the government to get involved in ongoing court cases. A lot of these Christian activists seem to feel their views are so uniquely important that the normal rules shouldn’t apply to them. Look at George Carey’s demand for the government to put Christian judges in charge of cases involving religion, or all the complaints about the way the equal marriage consultation was carried out (as if it was different to any other consultation).
Hmm. And here was I thinking a judge should be impartial, really. So, would they also advocate Muslim judges to preside over a case involving Muslims? Or is that, once again, another bridge too far?
I honestly don’t understand their reasoning.
The more they lose, the nastier they get !
Looks like he’s been dipping his face in the chip pan again.
dipping his junk in an-us?
Ironic that he is criticising Cameron for commenting on Synod business (women bishops) while he is wading into secular matters. These people have such a distorted idea of their relevance.
All this from someone who wears a dress for a living…
This ridiculous man’s uniform is completely irrelevant to his expressed opinions.
Red shoes and lace?
do they wear thongs on their old fat asses
David Cameron is devoid of moral competence because he protects the religious freedom of people and organisations that want to marry same sex couples? As usual, the bigots are believe they have religious freedom to persecute others. They don’t, but I suppose some tradtions are hard to break.
The Catholic church has no right to lecture anyone about morals. This corrupt anachronism should be consigned to the dustbin of history.
An old Catholic Bishop talking about moral “anything” is really a joke….They have NO problem with raping boys…in fact its almost a requirement to move up in the ranks…they should be ashamed to speak or be out in public much less bringing attention to themselves…but again “shame” doesn’t stick on them…
Nearly half of their victims were girls – child rape is the one area where they believe in equal opportunities.
It wasn’t just boys, but girls too. Something that seems to be overlooked.
Cameron has stated that Churches should be allowed to conduct same sex marriages if they want to. This guys problem is that he wants to dictate to vicars across the country.
Everyone above has said pretty much everything I’d want to say about this silly man’s comments, so all that’s left is to ask …
Who is this creature? Why are his opinions getting any attention at all?
Oh dear, definite case of ‘angry face’.
Think he should take some blood pressure pills if his pallor and complexion is anything to go by.
so nice to see the dying worms last crincling
Catholic Bishop on morality. Hmm, “pot and kettle” springs to mind.
Here’s a YouTube video of him on Australian TV back in the 80s:
http://goo.gl/bpbOc
He;s lost weight. Better hair though back then.
It really is breathtaking that any member of the Catholic clergy should think that they have any moral authority at all. Whenever and wherever this church has exercised power it has caused harm. Ask countless children and guilt-ridden adults.
Rome backed catholic priests should stop interfering in the politics of our country.
A scottish Catholic bishop telling us that Cameron is out of his depth! Oh No! It’s the homophobic Devine and the whole of the Catholic church that is the body who is totally out of touch with modern life. Following on from the church of England’s refusal to allow women to become bishops, i think the time is well overdue to throw the church out of the Lords and separate religion and government for good! Can we have a vote on that please? Enough is enough!!
Where as I agree with your view on disestablishing the Church of England, I would have little effect on motions such as allowing women to become Bishops. Neither would it curb Roman or Anglican episcopal bile…
Lords reform please! That will put the nail in the power of the state cult once and for all, paving the way for disestablishment. This should be raised during the heated equal marriage debate. Remind them that they’re days could well be truly numbered as long as they remain in opposition to equality in marriage.
You can clearly see the joy that religious morality has brought to the face of Mr Happy (The Rev’olting Joseph Devine)
This evil and wicked church can hardly sit on its moral high horse. This is the same church that burned thousands at the stake; was responsible for the wicked Spanish Inquisition; was happy to allow slavery flourish long after we in the UK abolished it – AND said it was justified according to the Bible; the same church that has stuck its nose into secular affairs. We had a Reformation in England to boot out Rome don’t forget that Mr. Devine!
What an absolute nasty piece of works this old man is. Bitter to the core.
You have to ask is persistently red face due to enlarged blood vessels (telangiectasia) caused by alcohol abuse ?
What is staggering after all the failures of priests over stopping the abuse of children he had that guile to others of being devoid of moral competence.
I would be interested in learn what personal steps Rt Rev Joseph Devine had done to prevent his colleges from the buggering of children. Unless advised different one assumes nothing.
The NSS has a nice take on this.
http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2012/12/rc-bishop-of-motherwells-intemperate-rant-at-the-prime-minister?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nssnews+%28NSS+News%29
Just to make sure PinkNews didn’t deliberately choose the most unflattering picture of Mr Devine, I decided to look for pictures of him on google. It appears that picture is an accurate representation of him, in every single one he looks like a miserable hate-filled bigot in a silly hat.
Look at his rancid old face. How much whiskey do you need to drink to look like that?
Is it the whiskey or is it the hatred that has turned his face into the red, rabid and frothing mess we see before us?
It’s sad but true that gay marriage, like women priests, demonstrates the weakness of the Catholic Church is its self-imposed intransigence – they have taught, for example, that (a) being gay is sinful for centuries and (b) the Catholic Church cannot err. Slavery was permitted and usury was banned for so long and it really does take a massive public revulsion of the Church’s attitude to have them budge their position even a smidgeon. Joseph Devine is what he looks like – an intolerant person who likes dressing up in fancy clothes. Leave them to wallow in their shrinking empire, and don’t allow them an inch more influence than they deserve – which is none.
‘Catholic Church is its self-imposed intransigence – they have taught, for example, that (a) being gay is sinful for centuries ‘
No ‘they’ did not ! You are confusing an orientation with the choice of acting out disordered sexual acts .
“To the extent that a homosexual tendency or inclination is not subject to one’s free will, one is not morally culpable for that tendency. Although one would be morally culpable if one were voluntarily to entertain homosexual temptations or to choose to act on them, simply having the tendency is not a sin…. Simply possessing such inclinations does not constitute a sin, at least to the extent that they are beyond one’s control.”
(USCCB, Ministry to Persons with a Homosexual Inclination, Nov. 14, 2006, p. 5-6)
Ministry to Persons with a Homosexual Inclination = Although you are a homosexual, the RC church loves you as long as you are celibate.
Dah.
Well this is just the point, isn’t it? Agreed, it is the sin not the sinner the Catholic Church have a problem with, but the point here, surely, is that the church have still ordained that gay intimacy is “disordered”. Homosexual tendancy or inclination (where do they get these words from?) is something we are born with in exactly the same way as a straight tendancy. This means gay people are made in the image of God in the same way. The same ability to love, to raise children, to exercise faith and contribute to a community. So what’s going on? Is God saying you can have the sexual feelings I created you to have but not fulfil them? Come on Rome, come on Canterbury, get real with your theology and don’t make being gay look like one of God’s horrible little jokes, because that’s what you’re doing.
Would you Adam & Steve it? Another bigoted bishop? Well I never! Next the Pope will be claiming to be Catholic.
How many kiddy-fiddling priests do you recon the Bishop covered up for in his time?
How many Jamie Rennie’s has there been in the so-called LGBT ‘community’ ? Sorry we better not mention the worst abuse scandal in Britain – Mr Rennie campaigned against ‘homophobia’ now did he not ….?
http://www.scotsman.com/news/horror-upon-horror-that-unfolded-in-worst-ever-abuse-trial-1-1037439
Oh Shut up you old twat
Fecin el, I wondered what Father Jack Hackett went on to once the TV show folded, now I know.
Says the child rapist
I attend a Catholic school and I can’t see the morality there either. Maybe he should sought his own corrupt and bigoted institution out before he calls a government issue.
There is no historical evidence that Nero persecuted Christians. However, there’s plenty of evidence to suggest that this persecution was fabricated during the time of Constantine the Great in order to demonise pagans and justify forced conversion to Christianity within the Roman Empire.
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Another dinosous in sheeps clothing
That photo doesn’t really make him look like a happy, compassionate follower of Christ does it…
Looks like he’s been drinking too much vinegar to me! What a Po-faced old bigot.
Splinters and Planks!
But he feels it is okay to encourage children to have an invisible best friend who, if they are bad, will to burn them in hell for an eternity,
NEWSFLASH:
Catholic Bishop against Marriage Equality!
But really, what did we expect? It seems like we should just give up on trying to convince the Church of Rome to join us in the 21st Century. They’ll get there eventually – should only take another 200 – 300 years.
As Lady Whiteadder once put it:
“Cold is God’s way of telling us to burn more Catholics!”
Coldest Winter in 100 years. Just sayin’.
Or we could just ignore them. Either’s fine.
hat do you expect as the castle collapses they get more nasty.
This man looks evil, acts evil and works on evil.
He knows nothing of society and nothing about a sense of community.
These people refuse to see they won’t be forced because hatred is all they know. That make Them dangerous people but thankfully people are become wiser to this brand of loonacy!!
Moral competence, from a catholic priest well I’ve heard it all now.
Blimey – Cameron is now akin to Nero? Well, I suppose the good bishop is right in identifying a persecutor; his organisation (esp the RC version) has had almost two thousand years experience in persecuting those who don’t agree with them.
Why is a Scottish bishop sticking his nose into an issue that concerns England and Wales?
Westminster is still UK – not only England and Wales.
Any priest that kiddie-fiddles are also devoid of moral competence. Get your own house in order before tarnishing others.
Does it really matter who gets married to who?
I am sorry but how can a “supposedly” celebate white man with no idea what it is to love another human bein with his whole heart soul, body and mind, make sweeping statements about anothers morality…. I am a Christian and I am a transman and gay… to the Roman Catholic hierachy I am a disgusting thing more dangerous than the ailing rain forests… He is a bitter horrible man and oes to show why I left the Roman Catholic church years ago…. This church WILL die in this country within the next 2 decades if not less.. (I hope so too)
“Catholic baiting is the anti-Semitism of the liberals.”
“Catholic baiting is the anti-Semitism of the liberals.”
Never heard so much foaming hatred than on this website.Rabbi Sacks spoke out against Cameron’s distorting marriage agenda- “While Judaism teaches respect for others and condemns all types of discrimination, we oppose a change in the definition of marriage that includes same-sex relationships.”
It continues: “Our understanding of marriage from time immemorial has been that of a union between a man and a woman.
“Any attempt to redefine this sacred institution would be to undermine the concept of marriage.”
Funny how you don’t hear the LGBT gestapo ridiculing his ceremonial dress, about his ‘evil international network’ or say his people should be burned (as someone said about catholics on here), dinosaur cliches etc
‘the Roman Catholic Church is the working of evil in the world’ – not very diversity friendly eh ! – just because marriage is between a man and a woman !
“If the world hates you, realize that it hated me first.”
Bla bla bla. Get a new hobby.
The more I hear preposterous outbursts like this from the Jesus lobby, the more I *want* Emperor Nero to be running the country… or Diocletian.
This is like saying you want Himmler to be running the country to deal with the jewish lobby – in other words you want anyone who does not agree with your warped ideas of marriage to be murdered .Behind the propaganda of ‘gays’ being tolerant , diversity friendly – homofascism shows it’s real colours .
Bring back the lions and toss the church fathers in a zoo.
So much suffering over 2000 years because we didnt have enough big hungry cats
Church leaders like the Bishop here, are quick to state their belief in the sanctity of marriage, the long term commitment to your partner. They obviously believe that same sex couples must jump in and out of bed with other people on a whim.
They ALSO expect me and others like me to divorce to be able to remain together in the eyes of the law, so much for their belief in retaining the sanctity of marriage!
Bishop MOrality – is hiding the endless rape of kiddies by its sex starved priests.
These monsters still think that Goebbels idea that if you tell lies often enough and outrageous enough will be seen as the truth
Doesnt work any more – Gobbels I think he got his due courtesy of a rope.
…this is a very stupid and dangerous man. How dare he or anyone imply that being homosexual means you’re amoral! Well, for starters Gay People have been around quite possibly at the same time as heterosexuals. I believe the Church is very unnatural and homophobic by simply brushing nature under the carpet. What sad fools they are.
If Christians have the right to wear a cross at work, I assume my roommate can wear his pentagram?