How incredibly sinister that you can’t enter a civil marriage in Israel (whether gay or straight) but that you are forced to go abroad to access it.
Religion poisons everything.
That’s because religious marriage was the default as Israel’s early law was a mixture of 4 different legal systems – remnant of Ottoman laws, British colonial laws, Jewish religious laws, and post-Independence law-making. So, this possibility of going abroad to marry was actually introduced somewhat early on by Israel’s Supreme Court as a way to go around the politicians unwilling to introduce civil marriage (every coalition government depends on religious parties, and so introducing civil marriage law would immediately lead to coalition break-up and new elections.
Israel is an apartheid theocracy, created by British and European guilt at the end of WW II. As far as the divorce goes, until 50% of gay marriages divorce, our batting average is still better!!
Please keep your ignorant and inaccurate views on Israel for where and when they have an on-topic relevance, Christopher. No need to divert the thread for your own agenda. I have no quibble with you declaiming your views at all, but you dont have to jump on opportunities to do so.
Have to say though, I agree with dAVID though I see it as as an anachronism these days, not sinister, that the laws of Israel prohibit civil marriage (and I also agree with the theocracy part of Christopher’s post).
Name one point I mentioned about Israel that’s incorrect. I’m listening. Or perhaps you agree that one people can overide the territory of another while the rest of the world assumes they are but nomads and fence them out. While we’re at it, let’s get compensation for the Aztecs and Incas from Spain, and for the Greeks and Egyptians from Rome.
Well, let’s start with the fact that Israel was created by the UN (might have been called the League of Nations) and Britain did not vote in favour. And let’s finish with the fact that Israel is not a theocracy, buts it’s neighbours are.
Try being a lesbian or gay man or trans person in Gaza, Egypt, the West Bank, Syria etc. Israel is a long way from perfect, but in terms of LGBT rights it shines like a beacon in a cesspool of bigotry.
……and let’s continue with the fact that Israel is not an apartheid state; and that it was not created by Britain, Europe or indeed anyone (it declared itself a State).
My real point is this. You are entitled to express views, of course (though as I hope I have made clear, some of your views are factually incorrect, though that does not derogate from your right to make them). My objection is that, like Pavlov’s dog, your reaction to a story about Israel was knee-jerk, and off point. And it pisses me off that people like you use every opportunity to spout diatribe against Israel, regardless of context.
As I am sure someone else here will point out, let’s take this in the context of a gay oriented web page. I do not know about you, but as a gay man, I would rather live or be in Israel than any of its neighbours, including the Palestinian Territories. It provides a place of refuge for neighbouring gay men and women; it must be due some credit for that.
oh…and it was not “the territory of another…” Israel was declared a state on land that was mandated to Britain. I assume you are aware that Palestine, as a state, has never existed, and still does not exist. Hopefully one day it will.
Israel’s alternative is Hamas.
In Gaza they accuse gay people of collaborating with Israel. Then they kill them and drag their bodies on backs of motorcycles in the streets when they are finished they put them in the public square and spit on them. Women are told who they can marry, what they can wear in public and if they want to be independent and make their own minds up they are murdered and dumped in the garbage by their families.
That is why most Israeli Arabs and also the Arabs of East Jerusalem prefer to live under Israel than Palestine.
From what I hear, both Israelis and Lebanese typically travel to Cyprus if they want to have a civil marriage. As such, Cyprus has a booming marriage tourism industry from the two countries. And for same-sex marriage, Israelis have to go to Spain or the Netherlands or another nearest country that grants them.
I hear that both Israel and Lebanon have similar internal religious oppositions to civil and interfaith marriage, especially with the politics of the demographics of religious groups. And in both countries there is a very large secular population among the various groups, and to varying degrees they are more open to interfaith marriages.
I just find it so interesting that both Israel and Lebanon – countries each with very different demographics – have very similar domestic anxieties when it comes to demographics shifts and civil liberties.
Interesting question: If Israel recognises civil marriages performed in other countries including same sex marriages then would Israel recognise a civil marriage that has been performed on board a ship registered in another country provided that ship was in International Waters (more than 10km/6mile off the coast)? If this is the case then if a ship is registered in a country that has same-sex marriage then would a gay couple be able to marry on board, say a Dutch ship if it is more than six miles off the coast from Tel Aviv?
If this is possible then that means that gay couples won’t have to travel all the way to Spain or the Low Countries to get married whereas non-religious or mixed-faith couples only have to go as far as Cyprus (which doesn’t have marriage equality). There could be a gap in the market for some cruise lines, perhaps.