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NFL player: “Saying faggot doesn’t make me a homophobe, it’s just a word”

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  1. This article is inaccurate, as it states that he apologised.

    What he actually said was “I’m sorry if you were offended”

    That is not an apology.

    An apology would be ‘I am sorry for causing offence’.

    That statement would be an acceptance of personal responsibility.

    1. Why should he? If you’re offended by anything – ever – it’s 100% your fault. Only your preconceptions allow offense to be formed. To be honest though I agree with him to an extent, if someone’s called me a “sick faggot” or something similar then the remark is obviously homophobic because the intent is obvious. If someone’s just using a word that was a common derogatory remark about anyone (not being homosexual specific) form the local culture they grew up in then it’s the height of vanity to assume it’s discriminatory against myself when the intent to discriminate against me is entirely absent.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 27 Nov 2012, 7:40pm

        So calling a black person a ‘n_gger’ wouldn’t necessarily make him a racist or anti black? After all, it’s just a word that a lot of people grew up hearing their local culture(s)?

        1. That’s not an apt analogy, it’s like a non-racist calling a white person a “n-gger”.

          1. Do you know many “non-racists”?

      2. What an idiotic thing to say! the word faggot isnt a common derogatory remark against anyone, it has clear linkage with being gay and implies that is wrong. Its like when people say that using the word “gay” in a derogatory way isn’t offensive, well no, your saying somethings gay because you deem it to be in someway inferior, wrong, or pathetic. Ergo, they are your feelings towards gay people. Use the English Language properly!

        1. It’s only clear linkage with being gay is that’s what it’s commonly used for now, there’s no intrinsic meaning tied to words, it’s just phonetics and semantics. The English language (and it’s formal words) change a lot, the commonly used meaning has more bearing than it’s technical definition – ask any modern linguist, that’s why words change meaning. That’s not even taking the vast differences in local dialect into account either. If the person using the word “fag” does not intend it to be homophobic then it isn’t in that circumstance. Plain and simple. Otherwise you’re just reading into things that aren’t there.

          I should point out that I don’t think this meat puppet isn’t being homophbic though, i’m just saying in general.

          1. I accept that words change meaning over time and from culture to culture, but in this context the word hasn’t changed meaning, he’s calling someone a faggot with clear meaning tied to the word – ie the person is gay and somehow that is a negative thing. I’m sure he wasn’t referring to the food variety.

          2. Are you seriously suggesting that the not-very-intelligent person in question meant anything other than to be offensive in his comment, and that the basis of what he considers offensive is irrelevant?

      3. Apparently when challenged about his first tweet, this numbskull responded “yeah they all gettin butt hurt.” I’m sorry but it’s clear to me that his intentions were to cause offense and his choice of words clearly demonstrate that he considers gay people inferior and worthy of ridicule. This is not the fault of those listening, Ged. This is a sign of his homophobia. And his apology by the sound of it, is clearly not worth the breathe he used to utter it.

  2. Yes faggot was originally a bundle of twigs, the reason faggot refers to the gay community now is because we where burnt at the stake a similar time as the witch burning a were going on. In fact more gay people where burnt than witches, a fact many choose to leave out.

    It’s deeply offensive and the slur I hate most out of all of them.

    1. It’s a horrible word the way it’s used now, but that really isn’t how the usage came about – it’s a 20c US adaptation of a late- 19c British usage. (If you want to double-check, there’s an article on the World Wide Words website you might find useful.)

      1. Fair does, that’s what I’ve always been told but will check it out.

  3. How saying “I don’t agree with being gay and lesbian at all” is not homophobic? What if he said “I don’t agree with being jew at all”?

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 27 Nov 2012, 7:59pm

      What if he were Jewish and someone called him a ‘kike’? I pity any children he may have. He’ll teach them that it’s ok to hurl slurs people. Can you imagine if any of his own turned out to be gay? Their lives would be hell. Let’s hope he can’t procreate.

  4. Actually Tank (who names their kid Tank) is does make you a homophobe, you arrogant idiot!

  5. So if I called someone a n*gger and said I’m not racist, it’s just a word that would be acceptable too? I think not. Tosser!

    1. African-Americans using ebonics call each other n*gger all the time. Are they racist?

      1. People are licensed to use words that would usually be considered derogatory within a given group.

        In exactly the way some gay men don’t mind being called something like “You big poof” by a gay friend but (rightly) wouldn’t put up with it for a second from a non-gay person.

        1. You’ve proven my point. The word itself is irrelevant, when another gay man calls me a “queer” or w/e then the intent to be homophobic is clearly absent.

          It’s the intent behind the word that signifies whether or not it is hateful or discriminatory. If you won’t put up with people using the word “poof” in a non-homophobic way simply because they’re not gay too then you have some deep seated heterophobic issuesto work through.

          1. You’ve actually missed the point altogether, but I can’t be bothered explaining further, my dinner awaits.

            Perhaps you think people who aren’t black can use the N-word without being racist too?

            *sigh*

          2. Robert in S. Kensington 27 Nov 2012, 7:53pm

            Except there is no heterophobic word that I can recall gays ever using towards heterosexuals. Carder deliberately chose the word because he knows it gives offense and only retracts what he said when told to. If its not offensive, why would his team organisation say it does not condone what he said?

            What is your ethnic background? Perhaps if someone hurled an ethnic slur at you, you might think twice before becoming an apologist for a hetero bigot who should know better. It’s words like faggot and poof in the school playground that are used to bully vulnerable children struggling with their sexual orientation, some of them ending up committing suicide because they can’t take the verbal abuse and other offensive insults .

          3. So your actually saying Tank is gay so it’s ok for him to say it. Is he gay?

      2. Robert in S. Kensington 27 Nov 2012, 7:45pm

        Carder isn’t gay, that’s why it’s offensive to gay people. A lot of African-Americans deplore the use of the ‘n’ word too. In fact, the black community leader in New York, the Rev. Al Sharpton,strongly condemns the use of the word even among his own people.

        1. The comment he made was not directed at a gay man…

          1. Robert in S. Kensington 27 Nov 2012, 8:46pm

            Makes absolutely NO difference! It’s an extremely derogatory word in any context. Demonstrates his poor upbringing and lack of education.

            You were implying in another comment that African Americans sometimes call one another the ‘n’ word. Again, makes NO difference. It’s wrong, always and an example of bad command of language. He’s a public figure, he should know better that words have consequences, but my suspicion is he’s not too bright.

        2. Isn’t the derogatory term breeder used to descrie heterosexuals?

          1. When was the last ‘breeder’ attacked by a violent group of gay guys, who were calling him that as they kicked his head in?

    2. Exactly what I was going to say.

  6. Aaah, so what? The thicko chases a bag of wind around a ptch and calls it work. Screw him.

  7. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck then I’m calling it a duck

    And I’m calling this man a homophobe

  8. Bill (Scotland) 27 Nov 2012, 8:08pm

    So him saying “I don’t agree with being gay or lesbian at all … ” was just some kind of aberration, was it?

    Or is his so-called ‘apology’ merely what he was required to say by his team to try and recover from the PR disaster his comments caused?

    It doesn’t convince me at all!

    1. I agree. Does rather give the game away. I wonder if this homophobe’s apologist and self-styled linguistic expert Ged bothered to read that bit?

  9. Lets change the words up a bit – “Saying N****R doesn’t make me racist, it’s just a word.”

    Hmm… what’d ya know, maybe I’ll start using derogatory words a little more often… considering they are just words.

  10. That’s like saying that calling someone a “ni**er” doesn’t make you a racist… “it’s just a word”

  11. Just a word? Yes, and a sentence that contains a threat of violence, for example, is just words too. So let’s ignore all language then, shall we? Why not ignore perjury too? I mean it’s just words, isn’t it?

    This must be one of the thickest statements I’ve come across, and, just in case anyone was in any doubt about his homophobia the idiot has helpfully added ““I don’t agree with being gay or lesbian at all.” Beyond stupid!

    And, for your information, Carder. You can’t ‘disagree’ with being gay or lesbian any more than you can disagree with being Asian or being a man.

  12. The man is a meat head, pay him no attention.

  13. Christopher in Canada 27 Nov 2012, 9:15pm

    Idiot.

    Now THERE’S a word!

  14. Don’t people in the UK call a cigarette a fag? Or is the literature I’ve been reading written a long time ago?

    1. ‘Fag’ is used for cigarette and is still used a lot.

      ‘Faggot’ is a derogatory word which is solely used against gayfolk.

      1. And a bundle of sticks.

        1. And a tasty meatball made from liver.

          Just so you know.

  15. He’s so stupid he sounds a bit like Homer Simpson.

    1. Leave Homer Simpson out of this – don’t compare an international icon with this moron.

  16. Dave North 27 Nov 2012, 9:43pm

    “Pig Skin kicking over paid goon” are also words.

    I wonder if he likes those?

  17. Why is this a story.

    As if an overpaid American religious kicker of pig skin has any relevance to UK LGBT issues.

    Drop it, before we are interpreted as over indulging in every insult.

  18. if he didn’t mean its original usage to offend then why use it all. was he really likening the poster of the comment to a bunch of twigs. saying “your a bunch of twigs for that” doesnt mean much unless the word faggot was intended offend, but who cares about this story.

  19. I love that he used as a defence “I don’t agree with being gay or lesbian at all, but saying faggot doesn’t make me a homophobe” What a dumb f–k.

    1. Cal don’t be so mean… he’s not a dumb f-k…
      He’s a very intelligent man…
      He can count to ten… if he takes off his gloves…
      He can count to twenty… if he takes off his shoes and socks…
      and twenty one if he takes off his clothes…!

      We’ll, he’s lucky that he gets paid lots of money playing football…
      otherwise, he’d be working in a factory; packing matches into boxes.

  20. “After facing criticism for his remarks, the 23-year-old tweeted on Monday: “I don’t agree with being gay or lesbian at all, but saying faggot doesn’t make me a homophobe, it’s just a word.”

    1. Being gay is not something one agrees or disagrees about. Like saying I disagree with being a bluebird.
    2. Saying nig**r doesn’t make me racist?
    Too many neanderthal genes slipped in there.

  21. However, on Tuesday Carder issued an apologetic tweet, saying: “I was not bashing the gay community in any way…if you knew me you would know I wouldn’t do that. Again I’m sorry if you were offended.”

    If we knew you we would also know you “don’t agree with being gay”. Make up your mind tosser.

  22. He also says he “doesn’t agree with being gay or lesbian.” I wonder if he “doesn’t agree with being black or Jewish or Catholic.” Now those certainly wouldn’t be considered bigoted! Yes, “Faggot,” is just a word. I can think of a number of other “words” that are JUST words. No one would question if I were a bigot if I were to use them. He would have been best to say, “It was stupid, I am sorry.” He did not have to excuse his bigotry. He is, we know that. He IS entitled to his opinions Just excuse his public offensive actions and statements.

  23. “Sorry if i caused an offence” is not an apology for what he did at all… he is saying that he is “sorry that there was a backlash against himself”.The apology is all about himself.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 28 Nov 2012, 12:32pm

      He wouldn’t have even said that had he not been told to by his team. Is it any wonder he went to Texas CHRISTIAN University, a well-known homophobic place of ‘higher’ education. Schools specialising in bigotry, amazing. Only in America.

  24. “It’s just a word” oh that justify his actions,let’s all preach racist discriminating chants and demand no punishment as it’s just “words”.

  25. Saying “faggot” is equivalent to using the “N” word. It’s offensive and it’s used in order to be offensive. I would say that is being a homphobic bigot. Some people are in denial that their behavior actually is homophobic. They may not actually hate gays but using such words is a form of abuse and violence. They need to recognize that and hopefully change their behavior.

  26. “I don’t agree with being gay or lesbian at all, but saying faggot doesn’t make me a homophobe, it’s just a word.”

    Fine, I’ll accept that saying faggot doesn’t make someone a homophobe. However, I think it’s safe to say that saying “I don’t agree with being gay or lesbian at all” does make someone a homophobe.

  27. I know just what he means. I was born and brought up in Newcastle upon Tyne but it’s quite wrong to think I’m a Geordie. and just because I don’t believe that the existence of God can be convincingly demonstrated, lots of mischievous people call me an agnostic.

    1. Dave North 28 Nov 2012, 9:25am

      “Agnostic” and “Geordie” are descriptive words and not insulting.

      “Pr!ck” and “Faggot” on the other hand is derogatory and insulting.

      Which of the above would you prefer being called.

      After all, they are only words.

    2. I think you should switch on your irony chip.
      I am saying he is exactly what he is denying he is.

  28. Gay Activist Paul Mitchell 28 Nov 2012, 12:23pm

    You are a bigot if you use the hateful F word!

    You are racist if you use the N word!

    Enough said!

  29. Robert in S. Kensington 28 Nov 2012, 12:29pm

    ‘When you call someone a faggot, it isn’t “just a word.” It is a degrading term that implies there is something wrong with being gay. It implies disgust in something you don’t want to be associated with. And ultimately, it pushes every young athlete who may be struggling with their identity further into the closet, where they are surrounded by their fears and insecurities.’

    ‘When you call someone a faggot, you reinforce all of the fears that I struggled with and other young gay athletes struggle with to this day. They will think that your views represent their teammates’ views and they will stay hidden and never realize their full potential as an athlete. Although it may be hard for you to understand, this kind of fear and isolation can be devastating, as it was for me for many years.’

    Says it all.

    From Vince Pryor, a defensive end/linebaker at Tank Carder’s alma mater, Texas CHRISTIAN University.

  30. If faggot is just a word why is quibbling about being called a homophobe? It is just a word after all…

  31. He should absolutely be suspended, at the very least, for this.

  32. casparthegood 28 Nov 2012, 1:38pm

    I can think of loads of “just words” for this…..person. Probably best not to use them in public tho

  33. He doesn’t AGREE with being gay or lesbian? I wasn’t aware anyone had sought his approval. Of course, anyone who has ‘issues’ with homosexuality needs to look VERY carefully in the mirror. WHY do they have ‘issues’ at all? Is there an element of self-loathing here after experiencing and rejecting some same-sex attraction? Hmmmm …?

  34. Wim from Holland 28 Nov 2012, 2:07pm

    His words “I don’t agree with being gay or lesbian at all” : As if we are in need of his approval !?!

  35. If he’d said “I don’t agree with being Jewish, but saying doesn’t make me anti-Semitic” – no one would take it seriously. Same for homophobic comments.

    1. f he’d said “I don’t agree with being Jewish, but saying (insert racial epithet) doesn’t make me anti-Semitic” – no one would take it seriously. Same for homophobic comments.

  36. To Cleveland Browns …. you have spoken to “Tank” and made matters clear to him……Yeah?……AND? Penalty for bring both Game and Organisation into disrepute? Have you done anything to allay the thought that yours might just be a Homophobic Organisation? Not a bit of it. Time for the Browns to penalize the player in a proper fashion. And should they not do so, time for the NFL to penalize the Browns for inaction!

    1. Homophobic? Maybe not. But it does make you sound like an ignorant self-centered jackass.

  37. Norris Nordin 11 Dec 2012, 3:20am

    Is there a similarly offensive word that can be used by gays when describing heterosexual males?

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