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Princes William and Harry: Our generation must continue the fight against HIV

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  1. Spanner1960 25 Nov 2012, 11:57pm

    Thank you guys.
    It’s good to see that the ongoing battle against HIV/AIDS is recognised, both to those suffering the disease, and those trying to prevent further infection.

    Anybody that works in medicine will tell you HIV is not going away any time soon, so people need to be aware that safer sex is as relevant and important today as it was 30 years ago. The fact one may no longer die from it does not mean one should not be incredibly careful not to become yet another statistic. Just because medication may slow down the effects, the chances are if you contract HIV, it will still ultimately kill you.

    Oh, and PS:
    Before that prat and his incessant whinging about the HIV charities comes on here with his axe to grind – WE ARE NOT INTERESTED – GO COMPLAIN SOMEWHERE ELSE.

  2. Spanner1960 25 Nov 2012, 11:59pm

    Thank you guys.
    It’s good to see that the ongoing battle against HIV/AIDS is recognised, both to those suffering the disease, and those trying to prevent further infection.

    Anybody that works in medicine will tell you HIV is not going away any time soon, so people need to be aware that safer sex is as relevant and important today as it was 30 years ago. The fact one may no longer die from it does not mean one should not be incredibly careful not to become yet another statistic. Just because medication may slow down the effects, the chances are if you contract HIV, it will still ultimately kill you.

    1. “Just because medication may slow down the effects, the chances are if you contract HIV, it will still ultimately kill you.”

      I’m surprised you have not used your usual line of “HIV knocks at least 15 years of your life expectancy – FACT” the devil as always, is in the detail something you have little understanding of! I’ll give you one thing at least you are consistent – consistently WRONG!

      I suggest you look at the Guardian today there are 30 inspirational people who can also clearly prove you wrong!

      1. We can’t really know for sure what the long term lifespans of people on these still relatively new drugs will be.

        Only time will be able to record whatever long term adverse affects these may have which may or may not lead to life-shortening complications.

        But we certainly know that most pharmaceutical drugs per se can and do inflict side effects, many of which are severe and some of which are life threatening and curtailing.

        And we also know from the US where such drugs are allowed to be generally advertised in magazines that they invariably are printed alongside two pages of dense type listing all such potential side effects.

        On this basis, any attempt to persuade people that HIV drugs provide normal lifespans is at best foolhardy, and at worse dangerous and misleading in the extreme.

        1. The one most important aspect in relation to life expectancy is that of early diagnosis & the provision of treatment when it is indicated by CD4 cell count.

          The second most important factor is that of smoking – individuals with HIV, even when on medication have a degree of inflammation within the body & this can have adverse effects on the cardio-vascular system, smoking significantly adds to this problem. Sadly there is a high incidence of smoking amongst HIV positive individuals, which can contribute to poorer outcomes in later life.

          Many of the drugs that are now used in 1st line therapy are improvements on older versions, but I take your point that any ingested drug therapy can result in adverse events. That said +ve individuals are very well monitored in the UK so I feel confident that such problems are picked up early & mitigated against.

  3. Well their mother did a lot through her media presence in de-demonising HIV by hugging a patient :)

    1. Spanner1960 26 Nov 2012, 2:18am

      Good point, I’d forgotten about that.

  4. Are we supposed to be grateful or something?

  5. One of the guys she was photographed with was a friend of mine. It really lifted his spirits to meet Diana, said he could feel that she cared. That sort of evidence is good enough for me. If her boys have half the influence she did, they’ll be doing well. The point is not what I think of the Royal Family,but what the people the boys meet think of them.

  6. So who really wrote this on the brothers’ behalf?

    Bearing in mind Sir Nick’s knighthood, it smacks more of establishment back-slapping than a genuine and sincere assessment of the THT’s achievements.

    “They have prevented countless new infections.”

    Really? Evidence please.

    “There is still a stigma which blights sufferers of the disease, even today.”

    A well-worn myth perpetuated to ensure pos people are seen as eternal victims, instead of as empowered beings who should be encouraged to reach for the stars and stop regarding their status as an impediment to achieving all they aspire to achieve in life, as is their right as much as anyone’s.

    It’s the endless propagating of this victimisation myth which itself which renders it a self-fulfilling prophesy.

    What stigmatisation remains in the UK is mostly rooted in the gay community and the heartless judgments made by a few ignorant neg men.

    Mainstream society moved on from HIV stigma years ago.

    Time we did so too.

    1. Spanner1960 26 Nov 2012, 2:12am

      I can’t say I know either way.
      All the HIV people I knew are all long gone, but I have never perceived any ill will toward HIV+ people from anybody, although maybe others out there know otherwise.

      1. Don’t you remember the behaviour of the gutter press in the 1980s? The editorials in The Sun, The Star, The Daily Mail, The Daily Express and even The Daily Telegraph demonised HIV+ people (and all gay people by association). Hate mongerers who went as far as calling for mass genocide to stop the spread of HIV were frequently and uncritically quoted by these newspapers.

        All of this, by the way, made the Princess of Wales’ intervention so important and valuable in going some way to counteract this demonisation.

        Terry Sanderson carried out tireless work throughout the decade in documenting media hatred in his column in “Gay Times”. Much of it was HIV related. Surely you remember that?

        1. it seems to me that some people have very short memories when it suits them…………….

        2. Spanner1960 26 Nov 2012, 8:01pm

          Yes.
          And that was 30 years ago.
          An awful lot of water has gone under the bridge since then.
          I do wish people would stop being so bloody persecutionist about something that happened way back. Move on.

    2. Wrong.

      Again.

    3. barriejohn 26 Nov 2012, 9:52am

      You’re right. Just another royal PR stunt. I’ve had a bellyful of the lot of them this year!

    4. You’re right on this, Samuel. Ignore the negative clicks you may get from people who may simply click negative when they see your name. They fail to think.

      The Terrence Higgins Trust is a gravy train. They get millions from the government to stop HIV but that money provides quite a large organization with nice salaries and funds to produce lots of sexy glossy advertising in all the gay mags and newspapers which does little to stop dangerous behaviour leading to yet further HIV infections.

      The Terrence Higgins Trust colludes with all of the hungry and profit-driven sex industries. Fact.

      But they’re all on nice fat salaries and enjoying a pleasant London life-style. As for those offices of the THT out in the sticks, from what I have heard they are largely futile. More people sitting in cosy offices and not getting out their on the “war front” and doing what it takes to stop further HIV infections. Our 18 year old neighbour revealed the other day she has never heard of THT.

      1. Thanks, Eddy, appreciated.

      2. What would you put in the place of THT Eddy, maybe Virgin Healthcare, or Serco…………………what is your solution to the problems you identify to help stop dangerous behaviours?? If you think £2.5million a year is sufficient to tackle this problem across England then you have your head in the sand.

        “The Terrence Higgins Trust colludes with all of the hungry and profit-driven sex industries. Fact” – is this fact or just your interpretation of things? Being a factual type person perhaps you can provide the reference point for your statement?

    5. “There is still a stigma which blights sufferers of the disease, even today.”

      Chaps, the press release is not referring to the 1980s hysteria which likened pos people to lepers:- it is inferring that stigma still, today, “blights sufferers”.

      This is complete and utter baloney.

      Like I said, the mainstream public moved on from casting such harsh judgements and victimising pos people with cruel words over a decade.

      Time we moved on to and stopped using the crutch of stigma to label pos people as powerless, defenseless beings.

      HIV meds means HIV is no longer a death sentence and many pos people will live greatly enhanced life spans and so should be empowered to live normal lives and live their dreams.

      The mainstream public and media appear to have grasped that fact:- why can’t the gay community do likewise?

      1. “HIV meds means HIV is no longer a death sentence and many pos people will live greatly enhanced life spans and so should be empowered to live normal lives and live their dreams.

        The mainstream public and media appear to have grasped that fact:- why can’t the gay community do likewise?”

        Very well said Samuel – I couldn’t agree more with these statements. Hopefully you will have seen the online Guardian today which features a very powerful view of people living with HIV today, as did the Metro!

        1. I am looking forward to reading it shortly, W6!

          There is no doubt that current HIV meds mean pos people short be planning for the long term, which for someone in their 20s could be many decades.

          But as I mention above, until we know for sure the full term prognosis for these medications – which may not be known for many years yet – it would be dangerous to use the words “normal lifespan” lest it serves as an incentive for some people to abandon safer sex altogether.

      2. I do voluntary work with newly diagnosed people. One young woman, a mother of two small girls, diagnosed a few months earlier, had told a couple of her “best” friends. As a result she was barred from her pub, her children had to be removed from their school under police protection as they were being beaten up by other children whose parents had got to, her front door had been daubed with disgusting graffiti and she was on the point of having to move. She is but one example. No stigma? Get real.

  7. Spanner1960 26 Nov 2012, 2:17am

    Before that prat and his incessant whinging about the HIV charities comes on here with his axe to grind – WE ARE NOT INTERESTED – GO COMPLAIN SOMEWHERE ELSE.

    1. Spanner1960 26 Nov 2012, 8:03pm

      Suit yourselves. Next time don’t complain about the trolls.

  8. Yes, when I worked with HIV lads in London Diana became our hope. Those days awful situations were common for the ill and their full time carers. When Diana bravely came forward we all cried with relief. Incidences happened often, from patients being left in hospital corridors for hours, porters coming to take them to X-rays with glad wrap bounding the wheel chairs and sometimes their hands, to faeces coming through letter boxes. Diana’s courage softened peoples attitudes and I will always be grateful for that moment of relief.

  9. royal lord of la-la-land has spoken

    1. Spanner1960 26 Nov 2012, 9:01am

      Lefty twat.

      1. Scene1_Take2 26 Nov 2012, 11:51am

        Now wait. I’m a “lefty”, & I support William & Harry in this.

        1. Spanner1960 26 Nov 2012, 8:05pm

          The two factors are not mutually exclusive, however I do know that Beberts is a lefty twat, an anti-royalist and also a total fckwit to boot.

          1. you “know” so much about people don’t ya Spanner, yet I doubt you have ever met anyone form here in your life – what you “know” are your interpretations & perceptions of others which we know are rather
            skewed by your demeanor!

  10. Pavlos Prince of Greece 1 Dec 2012, 7:08pm

    I hope, one day similar message will be send from King Constantine II for Greek HIV positive people too.

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