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New Zealand: Committee told that equal marriage is an ‘abomination’, and could lead to incest

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  1. We’ve all debunked these arguments dozens of times – they have no foundation or evidence, and they involve the invoking of logical fallacies that would shame a high school debater.

    All this does is demonstrate, yet again, the religion is the stumbling block to a progressive, fair and equal society. And the believers and peddlers of fairy stories should be ignored.

    1. That’s a bit generous isn’t it, calling them “arguments”? Surely “bigotry showcase” would be a more apt term?

  2. The reigious bigots and haters will be out in full force! They can’t help themselves. It is great because the homophobes will consume themselves and their unjust cause!

  3. jamestoronto 22 Nov 2012, 4:37am

    The old “slippery slope to incest (or, polygamy; or, bestiality)” red herring has become so tired and worn I am surprised even the ignorant bigots are even still using it. It is right up there with the “earth is flat” argument. If they cannot come up with anything better than these proven lies they should just keep quiet.

    1. The Great Suprendo 22 Nov 2012, 12:33pm

      They keep using it because the gullible and stupid still find themselves believing it.

  4. GingerlyColors 22 Nov 2012, 6:37am

    It’s that old chesnut again, gay marriage will lead to polygamy, incest, beastiality and the sexual violation of sheep which in New Zealand outnumber humans by ten to one.
    As for the preposterous argument that marriage equality will lead to a South African style apartheid, I suggest that they take a look at that very country which is a much better place now that they have got rid of apartheid and introduced same sex marriages.

  5. Is it because we PN-readers hear this sort of poisonous twaddle reported from all over the world on a weekly, sometimes daily, basis that it seems to tediously stale?

    I mean, are there really significant numbers of people who actually think these are fresh and convincing arguments? Dredging the bottom of the barrel for yet another far-fetched metaphor might work for some, thank God (as it were) it just makes me laugh.

  6. They trot the same old stories out again and again as though nobody reads news from other countries, I guess they have to go through all the same vile and bogus arguments against equality to waste everyone’s time and slow the progress of equality down as they have no real arguments in opposition.

  7. Be still starving infants of the world, I must forsake thee to attend more pressing matters for The Lord

  8. I did have to laugh when I read this quote “he agreed with equal rights, but not in terms of relationships” So, Mr Sunderland, you are not in favour of equal rights then you fricking numpty!

    There so called arguments really are becoming tiresome.

    Support for equal marriage in the NZ parliament is quite strong and I don’t doubt that it will pass successfully!

  9. Mumbo Jumbo 22 Nov 2012, 8:45am

    “…two pastors…”

    No need to read further.

    1. Dave North 22 Nov 2012, 9:20am

      Too true.

      My eyes glazed over the second I read that.

  10. That There Other David 22 Nov 2012, 10:04am

    In a way this is encouraging. It’s not that long ago that according to “pastors” the great evil that legal changes in favour of LGBT people would lead to was same-sex marriage. It shows just how far public opinion has changed that they now have to warn equal access to marriage will lead to other things.

    It’s progress when you think about it. In the wider world outside of “pastor’s” heads anyway.

  11. “….could lead to incest…”

    Ooh, yes! Just like women’s suffrage led to allowing aspidistras to vote – idiot!

    The tow things aren’t connected at all, and the ‘most connection’ is with straight marriage as most incest is heterosexual. Indeed, the fool even implies that in his comment about a brother and sister marrying. Well, straight marriage hasn’t led to that, so why on earth should SSM?

    “Baptist Church pastor, Scott Lelievre, also submitted to the committee, and said that he thought that equal marriage “lowers the prestige” of marriage.”

    What? Because gay people will somehow ‘taint’ it?? What a discriminatory and offensive thing to say!

    1. It’s funny how they never, ever remark that divorce lowers the prestige of marriage, isn’t it? Then again, they’re clearly clever enough to argue selectively and strategically, in much the same way they read the much-translated texts they rely on.

  12. Let them spout the hateful lunacy as much as they like. It only brings equality nearer.

  13. “If you crack an egg in half, you have two shells which can then come together and form one.

    “A car is not a truck, they both have motors and wheels but they both have very different roles,” he says.

    Is he on drugs??

  14. Should we allow priests to be celibate?
    I mean, this COULD lead to pedophilia! It’s a very real danger and the government should step in to make sure that doesn’t happen.
    Once you open the door to celibate priests, the next thing they will be demanding is control over OTHER people’s rights.

  15. How many IQ points did I just lose?

  16. Oh, yes, yes, let the gays get married and the next thing is rampant INCEST! And then, following that, the sky will fall in and we all be destroyed! Doom, doom, doom!

    It’s nothing other than outright FEAR!

    Fear of homos! Homo-fear! Homo-phobia! Really bad cases of!

  17. Nixi Otemba Bongers 22 Nov 2012, 4:01pm

    marriage is between a man and a woman
    so brothers cán marry their sisters, following the nutters logic

  18. Robert in S. Kensington 22 Nov 2012, 4:38pm

    Marriage is for procreation? Wow….so I guess infertile heteros should be banned from marrying too! These idiots should listen to themselves bleat. Their brains must be about the size of a pea, totally devolved at that.

    Their obsessive rants regarding incest, polygamy and bestiality are more about them than about equal marriage since they’re the only ones who are fixated on aberrant behaviour. Quite revealing.

  19. It should be noted that Baptist denominational membership in New Zealand has plummetted over the last few decades. Judging from that rural minister of theirs, you can see why. They’re well on their way to fringe sect status and are overly influenced by the US Southern Baptists.

  20. People are sick and tired of the same old stupid and pointless arguments that have no merit in fact or truth!

    Those techniques are old and worn-out!

    Equal marriage benefits the whole of society – not causes it to calapse because there is no proof of it bigots!

  21. Gay Activist Paul Mitchell 24 Nov 2012, 6:07am

    These are ALREADY illegal in the New Zealand Crimes Act 1961 if the bigots actually check their full facts and truth:

    * Incest, sex between family members or genetic sexual attraction
    * An adult having sex with a child under 16. The age of consent has been equal for both straights and gays since 1986 when gay sex was made legal
    * Nacrophilia or a human having sex with dead bodies of humans
    * Beastiality, zoophilia or a human having sex with an animal.

    It has NOTHING to do with gay marriage!

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