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Scotland: First minister’s vicar speaks out against Alex Salmond’s plans to let gays marry

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  1. David Nicholls 18 Nov 2012, 12:20pm

    The issue here is much broader than this local discussion. I firmly believe that the tabling of the ‘jail the gays’ laws in Nigeria is a direct result of the stance taken by the christian churches against equality. The fundamentalist religious nuts in Nigeria have simply taken this message and added their extremist spin. This is what happens when church leaders take a stand against equality; people end up persecuted, in jail or most probably worse. When will these people actually wake up to the consequences of their actions?

  2. Look, can we just take it as read hat every religious dingleberry in the world is against SSM?

    If we filtered them out, who’d be left? Christopher Biggins.

    1. read that*

      Must learn to proof read!

  3. Just to let you know, there is no such thing as a local vicar in Scotland. It’ll be the First minister’s local minister making the comments.

    1. your correct.i hate this sloppy journalism.if you are going to write about a scottish issue get someone who knows about the country to check it.

    2. if you are going to write about scotland get someone who knows the country to check it.local vicar good grief.

  4. Paul from Brighton 18 Nov 2012, 12:58pm

    I recall the same arguments being used by white South Africans to justify apartheid.

    I recall the same arguments being used by the Roman Catholic Church when they endorsed Hitler as Chancellor of Germany.

    One day, history won’t remember Rev Fothergill or his league of supporters and will instead remember those who brought about equality, as opposed to actually opposing it.

    Times are moving on Rev Fothergill, it must be difficult seem your ability to discriminate and pontificate on the morality of others, rather difficult.

  5. Jock S. Trap 18 Nov 2012, 1:04pm

    Usual bigotry from someone who clearly prefer the sound of his own voice.

    Why is this man bleeting anyway, he should stop using his religious freedom to stop other more welcoming religions having theirs like so many of his kind do. Fact he has been told he doesn’t have to perform the delights marriage equally while other more accepting, decent religion can.

    The fact remains that if this dinosaur doesn’t agree or want to perform marriage ceremonies equally then he has made his choice therefore has nothing more to do with him. May I also suggest he crawl back into the cave he disgracefully presented himself from and let the rest of the decent folk in society get on with it.

    End of!

  6. “… once we get across that to some of the churches, I think they will feel more reassured”.

    They already know they are not ‘forced’ marry anyone. They want gays to have less rights then they have, to be superior.

  7. Robert in S. Kensington 18 Nov 2012, 3:35pm

    Why on earth would Salmond need to hear from those in opposition at the next consultation round? We already know their position so it’s a complete and utter waste of time.

    As we’ve seen with Maria Miller’s comment regarding protections for religious denominations. they are still not convinced. No amount of assurances even written into law will be good enough for them, What they want is a total ban on our right to marry, end of.

  8. Will no one rid him of this turbulent priest!

  9. Homophobes or “ass holes” already know that no church will be forced to marry anyone against the will of any religious grouping, yet the still keep repeating the lie that churches are somehow being forced. The lie should be challenged every time it surfaces.

  10. Robert in S. Kensington 18 Nov 2012, 4:02pm

    It would make sense if we were all demanding religious marriages, but we’re not. I just don’t understand why these idiots refuse to accept that. They are totally irrational and can’t differentiate between religious and civil. The CoE and Roman cults already ban divorced heteros from marrying so using equal marriage as a ploy to foment opposition is nothing more than a red herring, an extremely lame one at that, but very transparent.

    1. The church’s position is wrong but their suspicions are probably right. It is only a matter of time before devout Gay Christians start demanding weddings in their own churches. And why shouldn’t they. One of the arguments against CPs was that it would be a foot in the door to Gay marriage. And it was. Good.

  11. Another religious person who is against same-sex marriage, and one who is only making the news because he happens to be Salmond’s local minister. The Scottish government should be producing the first draft of their Bill anytime now, I don’t think this should put them off – I certainly hope not, anyway.

  12. And as for Scotland for Marriage threatening individual MSPs with the loss of their seats, it’s not such a threat as most of them stand for both a constituency and a regional list seat and get in whatever happens. So they can all vote for equal marriage without worrying about losing their job as an MSP.

  13. Yes, the church’s freedom to discriminate and hold random prejudice must be protected at all costs.

  14. These homophobics like that Scotland for Marriage group are irrelevant in their concerns. Why should equality be held back because of backward, right winged bigots,, who are against the freedom to love, marry and raise a family with the person you love, weather your partner is of the opposite or the same gender as you.

    If you dont understand gay marriage be honest and dont get involved and don’t hold back equality just because it goes against your closed mind.

    The freedom of relgion will be respected and no church will be forced to marry couples they dont want to!!!

    These groups really annoy me when they go on about how they are discriminated against when they do worse to other people.

    1. I think this is why i have a fear of members of conservative religions because i fear they will think of me as inferior. Its something i need to try and stop because i keep forgetting that not all religious people are against equality.

      1. You shouldn’t fear these hateful religious bigots. You are right that they do think they’re better than gay people like me and you, but it’s not true simply because they believe it – just like their god, actually. Look at how they pick & choose which parts of their religious creed to follow and you can see that even the most devout religious people use their religion as an excuse for their own bigotry & views, meaning they aren’t really religious at all.

  15. Midnighter 19 Nov 2012, 1:15pm

    Why does the deceitfully-named “Scotland for Marriage” think the nation should care what this obscure individual thinks? He’s only being given time on the national stage on the basis of his tenuous link to an elected politician.

    This man is not a democratically elected representative, he doesn’t bring anything new to the discussion. If there was an implication that Salmond was his moral puppet there might be grounds for a public interest story here.

    If this is the way Scotland for Marriage believe political decisions are to be weighed, we should surely hear from Salmond’s dentist or old headteacher, or anyone else who might have had opportunity to discuss such things with him.

    1. You make an excellent point about this minister being given authority on this subject just because he’s a religious figure. Why are religious views given more weight than those of non-religious people? It’s bloody annoying.

      1. Malcolm Wood 19 Nov 2012, 5:52pm

        I can’t believe that Pink News knew no better than to call a Church of Scotland guy a vicar. It being in the headline too.

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