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US: Synagogues terminate relationship with Boy Scouts of America over homophobic policies

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  1. Midnighter 17 Nov 2012, 1:29pm

    How uplifting to see a religious organisation standing up for tolerance and love in such substantial manner.

    The BSA will wind up being a mormon-only group at this rate.

  2. Paul from Brighton 17 Nov 2012, 1:50pm

    Excellent news.

  3. Good, hit them where it really hurts – in their pockets. You’ll find people can very easily change their “deeply held beliefs”, once they start losing funding and deep their deep piles of money for their holidays, and fancy cars.

    I can just imagine how some of these fat cats are sweating right now. The dominoes are just going to keep on falling, knocking their outdated medieval beliefs, one by one.

    Their pride truly will be their downfall if they don’t change their policies, which is quite funnily considering it’s supposed to be the “deadliest” sin. Funny how things work out.

    1. Although i do not agree with the BSA when it comes to gay rights, i do have to point out that scouts are not for profit, with the majority of money being put back into the charity and not those who just want the money.

      1. DJ Sheepiesheep 17 Nov 2012, 5:59pm

        I don’t think the Klan are out to make profit either. And that too puts them on a well deserved par with the BSA!

      2. Irrelevant, since no-one is proposing legal action or legislative change. It’s a question of a private group being told to wake up and smell the coffee by other private groups.

  4. Tom from Dublin 17 Nov 2012, 3:14pm

    Discrimination is not just a gay issue: once you accept that it is acceptable to discriminate against any particular group, you are saying it is ok to discriminate against everyone for the most flippant of reasons. It is important for society that everyone is treated equally. During the 1930s philosophy of eugenics gained credence. Eugenics promoted the idea that certain groups of people were of lesser worth than others. This form of discrimination lead to the holocaust where millions of Jews gays Romas and political undesirables were murdered.
    Discrimination of any kind even against religious extremists is wrong, everybody must be accepted and respected. I have to accept their religious views in the same way they have to accept that I want to marry someone of the same sex.

    1. Good points, once discrimination against one minority succeeds it sends the message (perhaps subliminally ) that discrimination is acceptable again.

      1. ...Paddyswurds 17 Nov 2012, 8:44pm

        I know this is a little off topic, but i have been saying for some time now that indiscriminate abortion is having the same effect. Once it became acceptable to murder the unborn , then murder of the living became acceptable although subliminally…. especially in the USA where abortion is carried out on demand without any hindrance and is being used as a lazy form of contraception.
        It is so gratifying to see that more and more large organisations are beginning to say enough with the discrimination already. Soon the haters will be isolated and exposed and it will be change or begone!

        1. Christopher in Canada 18 Nov 2012, 3:26am

          Unless you are a woman, Paddy, your opinion is MOOT.

          1. ...Paddyswurds 18 Nov 2012, 12:41pm

            @Christopher in Canada…
            …I’m quite sure that if you read my comment you will have noted the word “indiscriminate” I have no problem with abortion if it is genuinely to save the life of the woman, however better than the75% of the abortions carried out nowadays are for convenience only: a form of lazy contraception.
            I have no problem with women having control of their own bodies but take control BEFORE there is an innocent third party involved. Failing that we nowadays have the morning after pill and then there is of course keeping your knees firmly together.
            I take issue that as a man my opinion on abortion is MOOT. That is such a cop out position to take especially for a man. How do you think your father would have felt if your mum had snuck off and had you aborted just because she felt like it. Women are women for a purpose of Nature otherwise we would be all asexual., or hermaphrodite like slugs but we are not and the females job is to bear the young as in all other life…..

          2. ...Paddyswurds 18 Nov 2012, 12:59pm

            …with the possible exception of the wonderful Seahorse…. As the male half of the reproduction of the human race it is as much an issue for me as for women. The miracle of life is such a lottery when one small sperm from the millions in one ejaculation makes it to witness the light of day that we should take no part in bringing that chance to an early end. That is Natures job and we should have no part other than the initial act until such a life emerges into the World. That is not to say we should not have regard for the health and life of the carrying female but that should be discriminatory not just because that is what the woman wants for convenience sake…
            If you don’t want to cook stay out of the kitchen and if perchance you do put a bun in the oven, see to the result next day, don’t wait until you must murder an innocent life.
            BTW I am a non believer in sky fairies or deities of any kind…..

    2. mickie_newton 18 Nov 2012, 10:16pm

      “Discrimination is not just a gay issue: once you accept that it is acceptable to discriminate against any particular group, you are saying it is ok to discriminate against everyone for the most flippant of reasons. It is important for society that everyone is treated equally. ”

      tExcellent points and Though mush longer…This is as good a quote as that from Rabbi Alexis Berk

  5. wow- this has really shocked me. I didn’t know the Jewish religion was so forward thinking. I’m really impressed. I have a massive respect for this.

    1. It is not about the Jewish religion. It is about people starting to think for themselves and not be bullied into a certain way of thinking. That’s what makes this so great.
      You cannot assume anything. Jewish = X, Gay = Y, Black = Z. It all just not true. Judge individuals by their actions, not by what you think their (assumed) group might be like.

      1. Credit where credit’s due. These are organisations making these points.

        1. Absolutely! But it is still not the about the Jewish religion. You can find as much hatred AND tolerance there if you want to.
          I think we have today’s technology, especially the Internet, to thank for many of the social changes we are experiencing now. People are starting to realise that they are not the only ones, with a different view, of what it is like to be part of a certain religion, gay, American, etc, etc.
          It’s much harder if you think “I’m the only gay in the village.” to express your opinion. But that’s where change comes from.

    2. mickie_newton 18 Nov 2012, 10:20pm

      Not totally surprised myself given they had women Rabbi’s before we had women vicars. But stiil….To come out so openly (no pun intended) about this is incredible :)

    3. billywingartenson 4 Dec 2012, 4:02am

      hte REform and conservative branches of Judaism in general their rabbis will do gay marriage ceremonies.

      The orthodox are as crazy as the christian bible thumpers. Their illegal settlements in the Israeli west bank are one of the key things that are keeping the palestian – Israeli conflict running. Time that the Palestinians take over the whole west bank. LEt them be Palestinian Jews, just as a million Israeli palestinians live in Israel proper, almost all peaceably.

  6. Thanks, to all of you. People should once in a while rethink what they’re doing. Times are changing.

    Hello AT&T!? You’re next!

  7. Being a gay Christian Jew I agree with this decision to terminate the relationship with the Boy Scouts until they come to their senses and stop discriminating against LGBT people who want to be part of the Boy Scouts of America, after all we have equal and Civil Rights in America where we are all free and equal which is also a God given right as well. Just because they hid a few pedophiles in the BSA like they do in the Catholic Church is no reason to penalize LGBT people who are not pedophiles but gay people and they are different. Anti-gay Christians need to be stopped from spreading lies about gay people and other minorities they do not like.

  8. UPS, synagogues…. who next will abandon the outdated American Scouts group?

    1. Who do they have left?

  9. Thomas Grieves 17 Nov 2012, 9:34pm

    I would be pretty miffed too if I didn’t get my eagle badge.

  10. David Hart 17 Nov 2012, 9:49pm

    As a gay Jew this does not surprise me at all. A few thousand years of persecution taught us a thing or two about oppression.

    1. Well, it hasn’t taught all Jews the same lesson. There is still massive prejudice against Gay people from the orthodox communities.

      1. As there is bigotry against Lgbt people from CofE , vatican , islam etc. , it is a positive sign if you’re into all that religious ****.

        1. Agreed wholeheartedly.

  11. Robert Brown 17 Nov 2012, 11:09pm

    Great news . . .

    Let the other religious organisations follow suit . . .

    http://www.rainbow-citizen.com

  12. Brilliant. Civil society can achieve as much as law and government. There is no substitute for active citizenship against bigotry and injustice.

  13. GingerlyColors 18 Nov 2012, 12:29am

    UPS, now the Synagogues, I wonder whose next? We often hear bad news coming out of America when it comes to LGBT issues but there is a lot of good news as well.
    Of the three Abrahamic Faiths, it seems that Judaism is the most tolerant although some Rabbis have begged to differ. This seems ironic since the Old Testament which predates the birth of Christ and includes the homophobic Book of Leviticus was written during the era when there was only one Abrahamic Faith, the Jews yet it is the Jews who are becoming the most tolerant. Those who adhere to religion say that God sent Jesus to modify the religion before sending Mohamed to further modify the faith some 600 years afterwards, yet the most recent of the three, the Muslims are the least tolerant and Christians tend to be more split on the issue. In my opinion the Bible added bits onto the Torah and the Q’uran added bits onto the Bible.

  14. Christopher in Canada 18 Nov 2012, 3:28am

    In Canada, RIGHT NEXT DOOR, the Boy Scouts have no such rule. The world is so many fiefdoms.

  15. I’ve been to Israel ,and i do know that the the Jewish population there are very progressive and Liberated , however shoddy, inferior british journalism portrays them, but i’m happy to see that tolerance extended beyond.

    1. GingerlyColors 18 Nov 2012, 10:09am

      While I do not agree with Israel’s heavy-handed treatment of Gaza, I also do not agree with the way that Israel is treated as a pariah by the liberal elite. Human rights protesters always seem to target Israel and it’s handling of the Palestinian situation yet ignore the far worst human rights abuses that occur in countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia where women are subjugated and gays murdered. When I was at a Polytechnic they ranted on about Israel in Union meetings and called for boycotts of Jewish businesses. It was such boycotts in the 1930′s that led to the Holocaust in which not only Jews but gays and other people died. Sometimes I wonder if I detect a whiff of anti-Semitism.

      1. “whiff” sounds like very obvious anti-semitism, which is still very much being executed today in the uk. Phoney liberalists are easily led into being anti Israeli/Jewish. The subliminal/biased view being purported by the bbc etc is one that is biased against Jews, gays , children .

        1. The difference is in Zionistic agenda not Jewish religion.
          Zionism is racist and political issue. Religion is just religion.

  16. Jock S. Trap 18 Nov 2012, 10:15am

    Good to see the Jewish community being supportive here, esp on issues like this.

    Discriminating adults is bad enough but when organisations and religions openly disciminate against children that is just appalling.

  17. I have been very heartened and, I must admit, surprised that even some very conservative synagogues in the US are trying to open their doors to same sex couples who wish to marry (They won’t marry Jews to non-Jews but as long as both parties are Jewish they are welcome). Fantastic.

    1. Much more evolved than bloody CofE .

  18. mickie_newton 18 Nov 2012, 9:53pm

    “I can’t participate in religious experience that uses religion as a hook on which to hang bigotry.” Rabbi Alexis Berk

    This is brilliant news and the above quote has to be the BEST I have ever read!!! I want to use it as a signature somewhere!!

    1. And what about using secular activities as hook on which to hang religious indoctrination? The religiots – including the rabbi – do this all the time!

  19. I am so thrilled to hear this! We are ready to quit Scouting. Our son is a third generation Scout and his Dad is an Eagle Scout/ Air Force veteran, but being Black in Orange County has its disadvantages. We are convinced that our son was denied being nominated for a life-saving award because of race and religion. Had he been a white LDS-kid, the OC Council would have been all over him. We started a petition, but that’s a lot of work!

    http://www.change.org/petitions/boy-scouts-of-america-award-my-son-the-national-medal-of-heroism-that-he-deserves#

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