what a surprise, the far right dinosour telegraph thinks its elderly, bigoted readership aren’t in favour of marriage equality. i wonder if the bothered to examined the deeply flawed petition from C4M. signed by children, repeatedly signed by members, handed out to church congregations and schools…thats before you examine the ambiguous questions within the petition. hopefully the govornment will just quietly pass the law quickly and then we can sit around and watch as society doesnt break down, the sky doesnt fall in and straight marriages dont suddenly implode!
1. It’s the Telegraph. What did you expect?
2. Their gibberish copied almost word-for-word from a Christian Institute/C4M article
3. When anti-SSM votes were successful in the USA, the CI/C4M and Torygraph trumpeted them as victories for conservative thinkers worldwide. Now, suddenly, they’ve changed their minds.
Reading the Telegraph is like trying to make sense of the barking of a rabid dog, instead of just mercifully shooting the poor thing.
Not that I’m advocating shooting Telegraph readers. Well, not overtly, anyway.
Thanks. I read it every day.
I’m not saying it doesn’t have it’s moments, but that was just the editorial.
As newspapers goes, it is excellent for news, you just have to ignore some of the rather old-fashioned views of crusty old colonels and ‘outraged’ of Tunbridge Wells.
You read the Telegraph?
Personally, I’d prefer to nail my testicles to my desk and have a sexual fantasy involving Ann Widdecombe than read this paper, but hey, each to their own.
You don’t per chance drive with gloves, wear a flat hat and spout about the demise of the British car industry while sitting smugly behind the wheel of your volvo, do you?
Have you actually tried reading it?
Give it a crack, you might learn something.
As for cars, please name one wholly owned British car company apart from black cabs, and I might buy one.
You could just get Ann Widdecombe to nail your testicles to the desk and save time… but hey thanks for making me feel sick!! lol
This is precisely the kind of archaic, desperate nonsense that Mr Osborne (and Mr Cameron) are right to speak up against and steer the Tories away from. It is the death-rattle of an archaic brand of conservatism which only the old and impressionable (and UKIP) are hanging on to.
At times like this I really wish you could upvote posts multiple times. Absolutely spot on.
The fact that the bigots are so desperate to keep the legal ostracism of same-sex couples enshrined in the Civil Partnership Act of Segregation shows just how important it is that it be brought to an end.
I don’t understand when people say there is no support for SSM. My group of friends all want this, the people I work with don’t really care, except they will all be invited to my wedding when it’s legal for me to get married. I have not met one person who is against SSM. All I have met is people who have no feelings on the matter, or those that think it’s already legal (I have to explain the SSM is not the same civil partners)
some people have a very limited view of the world.
The 8 people who read it must be livid.
Sadly, the Telegraph sells over 578,000 copies per day. Compare this with the Guardian at less than half this amount while the Daily Mail sells almost 2,000,000 copies per day. People do read the right wing press.
Well, they look at the pictures at any rate…
…and the bright ones can even colour-in the squares on the crossword.
…and some of those end up joining the Bullyingdom gangs at Eton and Oxbridge, and eventually infiltrating Number 10.
Good grief, do more than twice as many people read the Telegraph as the Guardian? How horrifying! I have to admit I didn’t know that.
Try reading it. Most of it is actually probably more politically inert than any of the broadsheets.
So even with Maria Miller’s intention to insert a clause banning gay couples from suing churches, they’re still not convinced? This proves beyond all doubt that nothing will work for them until the government ditches equal marriage. Good luck with that.
Why is it that nobody in authority takes the Telegraph and Mail to task? The indifference to counter their spurious nonsense is really annoying and frustrating. Osborne and others should fire back at them and spell it out, loud and clear.
Well Osborne sort of has, hence this leader
The right-wing press seem to have successfully built up a convincing strawman version of the European Court of Human Rights, by reporting on all the most absurd cases that are brought there as if the court has already decided in favour of the plaintiffs. If you point out that it isn’t even possible to bring a case there against a church, they will say “well, we didn’t think it would be possible for them to force the UK government to buy pornography for prisoners, either”. These people live in a world of their own, because the real world is too complicated.
So 600,000 questionable signatures out of total population of roughly 60 million translates into 0.01% of a cross-section of the British public? I don’t think we need to worry about equal marriage passing. Even if the consultation reveals a similar figure, it means nothing.
Maths not my strongest suit, but I think it’s 1.00%
Still feeble, tho.
Mine is abysmal. Even so 1% is extremely low by any standards. Now if it were 6 million, it might be another story but even then not quite enough to wield any influence. I’m surprised it didn’t even garner 1 million considering there are allegedly 2 million regular worshippers in the country. I’m surprised the CoE hasn’t conducted its own poll in every parish throughout the UK to get a better sense of how large opposition is. My gut feeling is, very low indeed.
1% might be “extremely low” – but just bear in mind there are statistically only 6% of us.
But what about numbers in favor of same-sex marriage in the petitions in Scotland and England? Yes, I know…
It is The Daily Telegraph that is woefully ignorant and out of touch on the issue of equal marriage. They are clearly being blinded to facts by their clear prejudice against same-sex couples.
Far from lack of popular support, successive polls show a majority favour this reform and there is cross party support at a political level.
This anti-gay Editorial is also peddling lies about religious freedom. There will be clear protections for religious faiths in the proposed legislation as this after all us about full equality in civil law. And the Telegraph is also deliberately misrepresenting Ed Milliband’s position – He believes, quite rightly, that those religious faiths who wish to marry gay couples should be allowed do so. A real issue of religious freedom.
Translation: “You’re allowed to sit at the back of the bus in the UK so you should be happy.”
I always wonder what problem they have with equal civil marriage. Whenever they write an article about it, it veers off into religion very early on, so I still have no idea what the Telegraph’s objection is. I can only guess it’s along the lines of ‘marriage is special and not for people like you’.
Who gives a damn if churches cannot be sued if they refuse to perform same sex marriage ceremonies. The church in the UK has proved itself totally irrelevant to the LGBT community anyway, and is well on its way to being irrelevant to the rest of society as well. UK churches can line up with the wing nuts in Uganda! The problem with the conservative nay sayers is that objective thought is entirely foreign to them.
…what idiots, how dare they react like this. ‘The Telegraph’ is fascist and simply wants to take civil rights away from Gay People. How long is all this silliness going to take? Gay people are real and here to stay—it’s about time the heterosexual (so-called) community shuts up and puts up!
Churches have been able to decide who they will or will not marry for decades (viz. divorceees). Why they should be scared of this proposal does not compute. Unless what they really mean is “we don’t like homos”.
I’ve always thought there’s something not quite right aboutthe Barclay twins……
You get a number of American commentators as well as “religious” UK commentators on Telegraph articles. The sort of people who attempt to hi jack political parties and make them unelectable. On other issues they like to shout the odds about “liberty” and freedom. Presumably they mean the freedom to think and live as they do:-)?
I agree. I’d also like to know who funds the C4M hatemongers? They must have unlimited financial resources to bombard electoral districts with leaflets and manpower as well as run ads. We need full disclosure as to where they get their money from. They also need to be forced to provide a full listing of their signatories, names and addresses and methodology used to get 600,00 signatures.
Quite! I have two questions I’d put to the Telegraph and its readership. 1. Since the Telegraph believes that the CP act removes any distinctions between a CP and a Civil Marriage, would any of the editorship and its readers consider a CP if someone didn’t want to marry, all things being equal of course; and 2). Would they also have any objection to abolishing Civil Marriage and replacing it with a Civil Partnership. If not, why not? I think they’d be hard pressed to come up with one rational response considering that CPs carry little import or relevance once you move outside of the UK. One distinction that it does not remove compared to civil marriage. I can’t name one other country other than the UK and Eire where CPs are the norm for gay couples and I’ve not seen a demand for them to be emulated elsewhere.
It is important to remember that the Telegraph is owned by the frightful Roman Catholic Barclay brothers. They are dreadful bigots who are trying to destroy the culture of the island of Sark by denigrating local people who in any way try to resist their appalling behaviour. Whatever the Telegraph says it is effectively the mouthpiece of Vatican lovers.
It is also editied by a Catholic.
And do not forget the Odious Catholic . . . Christine Odone
Keep an eye out for an upcoming Panorama on the Barclays……
Oh, sod it! Caught on the horns of the dilemma of enjoying Osborne getting blasted while actually agreeing with what he says for once and loathing the source of the blast. What to do???
Confused of Madrid
Look at the comments below the article. What a pit of vermin.
I’ve gone on record on here expressing my boredom with gay marriage, but I would now like to see this law passed if it means Telegraph readers will kill themselves.
The Telegraph? LOL isnt that the case of the blind ignorant leading the blind ignorant?
So the Telegraph, supported by religion, thinks that no-one should have an opinion… unless it’s with their opinion… well it stinks!!
Now Gideon Boy is the time to remind your boss about how much he is worried of gay witch-hunts.
For once there are actually Tories supporting the idea of gay rights and the telegraph decides to portray itself as more right wing than ever! What is wrong with having a bit if equality? I’d like to ask the Christian groups aposing gay marriage this? Why if they follow a religion that states they should treat people as equal and let god judge because man should focus on living a harmonious life treating your neighbour as you would wish to be treated, why if this is the case do they feel that the idea of gay marriage is so wholey unjustifiable? Surely promoting love and equality should be top of their agenda, not segregation and telling a group if people that their live is simply not acceptable enough to be considered good enough for a marriage.
My partner and I were fortunate enough to have a civil partnership earlier this year, but if marriage had been an option we would have taken it. Maybe it’s time to stop defining one gay people’s love as the same…..but not quite good enougHe
If they don’t introduce it now-and go into the next election opposing it-the Conservatives will be the ONLY party going into the next election campaigning against equal marriage-and will yet again be branded the NASTY party. David Cameron’s efforts to modernise the conservative party will be to all extents FINISHED.
In the milieu of the right wing world, there is no such thing as a melting pot, where there is equality – only strata and layers, one on top of the other where everyone looks down at the lower layer. That gives them security: a false consciousness borne out of a sense of imagined superiority and self-importance.
And this is how Britain used to be run. These dinosaurs are of another age, who hate the fact that they have to earn respect and earn their place in the world rather than having it handed to them on a plate by virtue of whatever layer they happen to find themselves.
…or having had to work where they got to instead of being given it because of socialist and liberal handouts.
Lies and hysteria. Ever the position of the losing side.
The article in question, with the contribution of the “Nasties” who have commented under it, is here:
Equal marriage is an inevitability, and if the hateful dogmatic religious scumbags
don’t like it, then tough. Authoritarian dogmatic religion has caused so many people so much terrible suffering over the centuries, including LGBT people. Even when equal marriage soon becomes law, I hope that LGBT and progressive people in general will have been made more aware as a result of recent events of just how evil dogmatic religion is. We all need to oppose it fiercely for the rest of our lives, and to encourage others to do so also.
Don’t like same sex marriage? Don’t marry someone of the same sex. There is no indication that same sex marriage or mixed sex marriage will ever become compulsory.
So Extremist voices have taken over the Telegraph. Another voice for the Vatican!
They will stop at nothing until they have imposed their way of thinking on the UK
This whole equal-marriage wrangle is, most surprisingly, starting to make me sympathise with Osborne, not a position I had ever considered likely (or even possible) before.
I think that what the Telegraph, the Daily Mail and other anti SSM publications need to remember is this:
1) The ConDems have clearly said that LGBT cannot sue churches who refuse to marry them (this is itself, I am sure, would be against HR laws in some form)
2) Labour have already said that they would change law in favour of SSM, as have the LibDems and better still, Labour have said they would allow religious institutions to marry same sex couples if they want to.
So, either way, it looks like we are on to a winner!
I look forward to the day my civil partner of the last 5 years and I can eventually say “in the eyes of law” we are equal.
Stuff the churches, bishops, popes and their like.
How dare these virginal men, even dare to feel they have a right to comment on the subject.
Osborne is right, if the Tories pander to the far right and religious nutters and are seen to give in to a small majority of the older, more anti gay Tory MPs that still exist in their party then they will suffer the same fate as the republicans and will get thrashed.
I suggest the telegraph get a reality check if they still haven’t worked out why romney did so badly.
Let’s look at actualities rather than “the lies, damned lies and statistics” from the Telegraph. My partner and I are getting married on Saturday 17th here in South Africa….great Constitution that others could learn from. Far from the “straight” community being shocked by this amazing event, very slightly less than 50% of the guests (21 out of 43) live a happy and productive heterosexual lifestyle; the other 22 are delighted to be openly homosexual as well as being friends of that other 21. That the “straights” are productive is predicated upon the fact of 29 children to both straight and gay guests. Please do not believe the Telegraph’s assessment of the desires and wishes of the “man in the street”; Brits are phlegmatic and polite enough to ignore what people do in the bedroom, and are only interested in the contributions that they make to the wider community. One caveat……what is done in the bedroom should be legal and consenting…..no “squit” about paedophilia!
I wouldn’t hold your breath, just because you are subject to a bit of pinkwash.
South Africa is rapidly going down the crapper, and same-sex marriage really won’t amount a hill of beans come the revolution.
Should the nation not be looking towards the future? The age group 16-24 and 25-30 shows how more liberal the younger generations are compared to the generic reader of this newspaper.
I don’t wish to sound ageist, but it’s an inevitable change and the aforementioned’s vote counts for more…
Keep with the times
I understand that gay and lesbian people feel under threat or pushed to the back of the cue, but I believe the best way to go about it is citizenship rather than sheep flock behaviour. They have rights, therefore they should use them, bearing in mind that this principle applies to other social categories as well (personally, I don’t see why shouldn’t you sue, but I suppose there is a need for consensus). The suffragettes for instance, didn’t win the right to vote because of the noise they made (as necessary as it might’ve been), but because women where needed to contribute to the war effort; the right to vote was given to all women, even to those who didn’t care about it. And who reads The Telegraph anyway?
I thought this paper packed up age’s ago. Now i think it really should be! It’s is nothing but a flyer for the right wing and it’s anti equal equality voice. Time for the Telegraph pole to be felled!