This is the trouble with these anti-gay Christians who use their black propaganda to make insane comparisons to shock people and turn them against gays. That is and old CIA trick they got from the people they captured in Germany who did it for Germany during the second world war. Now the anti-gay Christians are using it against their enemies.
What an illogical and daft comparison! NOT allowing same sex marriage is more akin to apartheid, if he wants to use that comparison.
Every aspect of his analogy is flawed. I don’t want to be called an “honorary straight” – I just want the same rights as straight people.
It looks like he was trying to be clever and ended up looking very stupid, not to mention homophobic. Just because something’s different, it doesn’t mean it’s bad. Idiot.
Yes, making lots of mistakes, and, hopefully, after a great deal of embarrassment, actually sorting out their heads! Hopefully.
The logic, or rather the absence of it, is certainly startling. One would think he’s taking living Down Under as an excuse to approach matters in as topsy-turvy a way as possible.
I don’t think it’s anything to do with living “Down Under” as opposed to “Up Over”. It’s simply that the Marriage Equality issue is really demanding of some people that they think and sort out issues in their heads. And as they haven’t done too much of that, in the field of sexuality and gender anyway, they’re plucking concepts like “apartheid” out of thin air, making blunders, and then, hopefully, realising how damn stupid they’re being. So there’ll probably be some backpeddling from Mr. Copeland quite soon, once he’s considered the idiocy of what he’s said and what it has said about him. Don’t you think?
I was only joking about DU, you know … :-D
“These two relationships are different relationships and putting them together is debasing marriage,” Mr Copeland said.
In other words, letting homosexual people participate in the institution of marriage will debase marriage . . . because homosexual people are vile!
The Marriage Equality debate is certainly sorting out the wheat from the chaff! Mr. Copeland’s views are chaff.
His analogy is tatally arse-about -face.
‘totally arse-about-face’ I meant.
Because black people are different to white people and so we call black couple’s marriages something different to what we call white couple’s marriages do we?
Maori people are not blacks anyway, they don’t have black African ancestry, they are Polynesians and their ancestors came from Hawaii to New Zealand centuries ago.
Racist homophobe and serial nutter sounds like an pretty accurate description of Gordon Copeland.
No, but remember South Africa was only divided into Whites and Non-Whites (ie The Rest), the latter category not covering only indigenous Africans but including Malays, Indians and mixed-race people.
(And to be thoroughly nerdy about it, the Maoris are thought to originate from Eastern Polynesia generally, not [just] Hawaii at the northernmost extreme of Polynesia.)
Good for you, Rehan. The Maoris did not originate from Hawaii, but, as you have said, from Eastern Polynesia.
Perhaps Hawaiiki the ancient name for the region is more correct, but totally I accept what you say.
Amusingly enough, most of the older conservative Christians who now oppose marriage equality probably supported New Zealand sporting links with South African apartheid back in the eighties…
“Serial nutter” love it. I’m suprised and pleased that Peter Dunne supports equal marriage – I would have put him in the “serial nutter” category myself.
Great to see the equal marriage bill progressing through parliament – well on the way to becoming law. Compare and contrast to the UK which hasn’t even published a bill yet. The UK governments constant delaying just allows the christian fascists to write drivel in the papers chipping away at public support for equal marriage. GET ON WITH IT.
Yet another trying to claim separate but equal is somehow equal. And he needs to find better analogies to get his Less Than Equal points across without being a complete moron.
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Stupid, small minded man with an island mentality. He won’t last long in his career.
he is no longer a politician, and made the submission as a private citizen. He was chucked out of the united party ( nz christian influenced party) for being too bigoted and crazy. No one gives a flying F what this dinosaurthinks in nz!
Another politician speaking out of his butt! He clearly does not have a clear grasp on what apartheid was.