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  1. Another festering theocratic cesspit of a country, mired in poverty and oppression, and a vague hope that if they hate enough people, Sky Daddy will come and save them.

    Morons.

  2. Demanding it are they? I find that very doubtful.

    I really do hope that if they pass this law then the UK government will stop ALL aid going that country.

    It is despicable that they can even contemplate a law of this nature!

    1. I hope ALL civilised western nations stop aid.

      I bet this vile law would be pulled damn quick were that to be the case.

      1. Unfortunately we then run the risk that these attitudes become even more entrenched. Rock, hard place …

        1. Dave North 12 Nov 2012, 3:06pm

          Tough. Why should UK tax payers money be sent to these goons.

          1. Why should UK Tax payer money be sent to Stonewall?

          2. Jock S. Trap 12 Nov 2012, 4:22pm

            Matt – I’d rather have the choice of sending my tax contribution to organisations like Stonewall that any religious outlet. We all do pay taxes EQUALLY don’t forget but apparently we don’t have a say where they go.

          3. Yes, it will indeed be tough[er] for LGBT Ugandans.

  3. SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?

    1. See below for a start

  4. Garry Cassell 12 Nov 2012, 1:08pm

    Not only should other countries stop any form of aid but STOP any kind of trade and also STOP any politician from visiting any other country…if they do come in Western country jail the biggoted hateful monsters.

    1. Contact the Uganda Tourism Board and let them know you won’t be visiting and why at: http://www.visituganda.com/
      The ‘Information Centre’ tab has a ‘Contacts’ link. Keep comments under 300 characters.

      1. On the same site, they have a blog: http://www.visituganda.com:7080/blog/
        I suggest we also comment back on every story, telling them why we won’t be visiting.

        1. I’ve just done it.

      2. somehow i dont think uganda’s government would be that bothered about the fact that homosexual will boycott their country, nor do i think that majority of heterosexuals will boycott uganda just because thare are anti gay laws

  5. Schoolchildren with banners saying homosexuality is “an abomination”, who’s feeding them that misinformation I wonder?

    1. Jock S. Trap 12 Nov 2012, 4:23pm

      Well…. bigotted Adults of course. Children couldn’t care less until they are taught bigotry.

    2. Mostly it’s the same people and groups that oppose lgbt equality – aka Evangelical churches, Islamic mosques, and various groups associated with the two.

  6. That There Other David 12 Nov 2012, 1:14pm

    The only people demanding this are those sponsoring it in the first place. Ms. Kadaga is making the usual suspect assumption that she speaks for a silent majority.

    There’s a reason you can’t hear their voices Rebecca. It’s because they actually don’t hate LGBT people like you do.

  7. Cardinal Capone 12 Nov 2012, 1:17pm

    Methinks she doth protest too much.

  8. just wrote to my department of foreign affairs. i encourage others to do the same

    1. barrygrant1980 12 Nov 2012, 3:57pm

      I have no idea where to start with that, any advice?

  9. She says Ugandans “are demanding it”.
    Does she mean that Ugandan citizens want such a law, or does she actually mean to say “some wealthy theocrats from places like the Vatican and the USA are throwing large sums of off-the-record money in her direction”?

    1. Sadly I suspect large numbers of ordinary Ugandan people do actually want this sort of law, indoctrinated as they have been by decades of missionary evangelism which, let’s remember, can often have an enormous influence on all levels of education in developing countries.

  10. let them know you won’t be visiting: http://www.visituganda.com/

    1. Done it. Thanks.

  11. Cardinal Capone 12 Nov 2012, 1:45pm

    According to Wiki, Rebecca Alitwala Kadaga is 56, single and without any child. She is reported to enjoy reading, art and travel.

    1. Yes if it walks like a duck, flies like a duck, quacks like a duck……….

    2. What else does she read apart from anti-gay clobber passages in the Bible I wonder?

  12. Robert in S. Kensington 12 Nov 2012, 1:54pm

    If this becomes law, then not just aid should be cut entirely but so called “christian” organisations who support and promote this legislation must also face prosecution to the fullest extent of the law, no matter where they are. This is ALL RELIGION based. Just watch as some of them try to distance themselves when the pressure is on from countries opposing the law as well as cutting off financial aid.

    1. Cardinal Capone 12 Nov 2012, 2:16pm

      I have read that Scott Lovely is being sued by a pro gay Ugandan NGO for his part in the “nuclear bomb” against gays.

  13. Why is she attending a Human Rights convention in London and not been banned from the event for her anti human rights? or arrested, what a joke this country is.

    1. I wrote to the conference organisers and got this reply…..
      Ugandan Speaker Rebecca Kadaga was invited to participate as a prominent African woman parliamentarian, and in her capacity as the Chair of the African group of the Commonwealth Women Parliamentarians. She chaired, as a senior presiding officer attending the conference, one session of the International Parliamentary Conference on Gender and Politics, focusing on the use of quotas to increase women in parliament.

      Whilst the organisers and all who attended are aware of the differences of belief that exist, including her in such a meeting presents an opportunity to her international parliamentary colleagues to raise their concerns and disagreements with her. The subject of homosexual rights was specifically raised in this session by Margot James MP as she thought it important to urge the women parliamentarians representing countries with laws against gay men and lesbians to defend human rights and challenge these laws.

      1. Continued….
        It was also brought up in subsequent sessions by parliamentarian delegates representing Botswana and Morocco among others, and received support from other delegates.

        Given the good diplomatic and inter-parliamentary relations that exist between Uganda and the UK, we believe that such issues are best resolved through discussion and collaboration in the spirit of encouraging dialogue and inclusiveness. Conferences of this sort allow us important opportunities to express a common UK view in support of non-discrimination on matters of sexual orientation, and we do not discriminate against delegates on the basis of them having different views on key human rights concerns in the hope that by engaging them we can expose them to different views and diverse perspectives which might advance the cause of human rights overall.

        Andrew Tuggey, Director, CPA UK and Rick Nimmo, Director, BGIPU

        1. Jock S. Trap 12 Nov 2012, 3:16pm

          Indeed.

          This woman, I’m guessing, knows what prejudice and discrimination is and yet is more than happy, not only to dish it out but to murder innocent people in the name of it.

          I can no more help being Gay and White as she can being (presumably) Straight and Black, it’s who we are after all.

          All are important in this world yet we see, yet again, those with the greatest ability to understanding discrimination, feeding hate and promoting murder to other from in and in the name of religion.

          And for what? To help inflate already over-powered egos.

        2. Dave North 12 Nov 2012, 3:22pm

          So whilst they are all having a nice cosy chat together people are being beaten up.

          Charming.

        3. ‘…we do not discriminate against delegates on the basis of them having different views on key human rights concerns in the hope that by engaging them we can expose them to different views and diverse perspectives which might advance the cause of human rights overall…’

          clearly the conference has failed with regards to the above statement, since she is still going ahead with anti gay laws. and why conference organizers are so keen on promoting women rights at the expense of gay rights by inviting homophobic speaker of ugandan parliament

          1. Precisely , their idea of engaging seems to have fueled the extremists further. The conference was a complete waste of time and money. Another case where non human rights are being paraded as human rights.

  14. It might be an unfair assumption of mine, but whenever I read about this woman she always strikes me as extremely spiteful. The very way she’s phrased this is spiteful – like a kick in the face to countries who value equality and who’ve dared to raise objections to this plan.

    I think there’s more to this than US fundie poison-spreading. I get the impression that some Ugandan leaders are just gagging for a kicking boy, some group to persecute. Is this to distract from internal problems or just a lust for power and a desire for cruelty?

    1. Cardinal Capone 12 Nov 2012, 2:28pm

      It could be political posturing, the President doesn’t seem to like her much, and she could be playing to the gallery for support. Maybe she is also distracting from her own single status ( as per Wiki).

    2. As elsewhere she is reported to have called the anti-gay bill’s introduction as a “Christmas present”, I think that tells us a lot about her cruel and spiteful character, psychotic is not too strong a word. This is one situation where Godwin’s law can be ignored and comparison’s can be made to the holocaust and anti-Jewish rallies, this time in the name of Jesus against gays, this is a planned pogrom, it is ongoing as gays and lesbians and those perceived to be are already being excluded, brutalised, arrested, locked up, murdered with the encouragement of the government and the churches.

  15. Ok Justin Welby- what is the Church of England’s response? Perhaps you should send a cofE envoy out to have a word? John Semtanu?

  16. Jock S. Trap 12 Nov 2012, 2:37pm

    Disgusting. The threat to legally murder innocent people must be met with the fury of All civilised countries and All aid withdrawn. No excuses, no arguments!

  17. Any legislation to deal with corruption and squalid poverty Madam Speaker? No? Thought not.

  18. Don’t they every think, what happens if their kids turn out to by gay and they voted for the law.

    1. Jock S. Trap 12 Nov 2012, 4:27pm

      Well according to this ‘law’ they kill them. Thats religion for you!

  19. Having just read the wikipedia page on the ‘kill the gays’ bill it is ironic that Uganda’s capital city Kampala is twinned with Minneapolis, Minnesota where they have just rejected a proposed ban on gay marriage in a referendum last tuesday. Perhaps Minneapolis should be reconsidering who they make friends with.

  20. Rebecca, that is why you and your fellow Ugandans remain a backward and very poor nation!

  21. michael seymour (@mike_magoo) 12 Nov 2012, 3:52pm

    This Kadaga person should become a member of Westboro Baptist Church – a meeting of moronic minds

  22. Funny how evangelicals like to target countries with relatively and historically low levels of education, and where what education there is is heavily indoctrinated.

    If they have such a valid claim to make why not make it in more developed countries? Or have they tried and failed? Hence the fall back to countries like Uganda.

    1. Cardinal Capone 12 Nov 2012, 9:19pm

      They do also do developed countries. Hence Academies in the UK.

  23. Yes, visit the following page and leave a message. I left the message below.

    http://www.visituganda.com/information-centre/contacts/

    <>

    1. Eeek! Using double chevrons in comments means that one set of the chevons and the whole message fails to appear!

      Here’s the message I sent on the above page:

      Until I see in the news that Uganda is giving full respect and full equality to all gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people living in Uganda, I will NOT be visiting Uganda. I will be avoiding Uganda completely.

      1. Cardinal Capone 12 Nov 2012, 9:24pm

        As they hate gay people so much, and want to eliminate gays, their friends and families, you may inadvertently be encouraging them.

  24. “while some European countries have threatened to cut aid to Uganda if the bill becomes law.”

    that’s it folks – your pink tax pounds aid these politicians in Uganda. There shouldn’t be any discussion – redirect all aid from Uganda to poor African states with equal rights.

    1. Jock S. Trap 12 Nov 2012, 4:29pm

      or in short – send aid to the more civilised societies in Africa.

      I’m more than sure they would be more deserving of the help.

    2. …to poor African states with equal rights.

      Which would those be?

      1. Well, South Africa has a lot of problems. Especially with homelessness and poverty. And they have equality in their Constitution.

        1. Does South Africa really count as a ‘poor African state’?

  25. Is Archbishop Welby going to issue a formal statement condemning the anti-gay legislation and those Anglican bishops in Uganda and the rest of Africa who have encouraged homophobia I wonder?
    It could be his first positive step to show he has some moral integrity.

  26. Ugandan Bishops Push Notorious Anti-Gay Bill
    The Uganda Joint Christian Council, which includes Catholic, Anglican, and Orthodox bishops, has called on parliament to move the notorious Anti-Homosexuality Bill forward. According to the Ugandan newspaper The Daily Monitor:

    Top religious leaders from across the country have asked Parliament to speed-up the process of enacting the Anti-Homosexuality law to prevent what they called “an attack on the Bible and the institution of marriage.”

    Speaking after their recent annual conference organised by the Uganda Joint Christian Council (UJCC), an ecumenical body which brings together the Anglican, Catholic and Orthodox churches, the bishops resolved that the parliamentary committee on Gender should be tasked to engage the House on the Bill which is now at committee level.
    (cont’d)

    1. Cardinal Capone 12 Nov 2012, 9:28pm

      Killing gay people to stop us getting married? That doesn’t sound very Christian!

  27. (Cont’d)
    “We also ask the Education committee to engage the Ministry of Education on the issue of incorporating a topic on human sexuality in the curricula of our schools and institutions of learning,” the resolutions signed by archbishops Henry Luke Orombi, Cyprian Kizito Lwanga and Metropolitan Jonah Lwanga, indicated.

    The clerics also appealed to all the churches in the country “to remain steadfast in opposing the phenomena of homosexuality, lesbianism and same-sex union.”

    http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/petermontgomery/6065/ugandan_bishops_push_notorious_anti-gay_bill

  28. Also still in the bill:

    A 7-year jail sentence for consenting adults who have gay sex;
    A life sentence for people in same-sex marriages;
    Extradition and prosecution of LGBT Ugandans living abroad;
    The death penalty for adults who have gay sex with minors or people with disabilities, consensual or no, or who communicate HIV via gay sex, regardless of condom usage or consent;
    Jail for anyone who doesn’t report suspected gay people within 24 hours;
    A ban on the “promotion” of homosexuality so open-ended that it would endanger HIV/AIDS treatment and sexual health clinics in the country and could effectively exclude gay people from petitioning the courts by making those representing them liable for criminal action;
    A mandate to break all ties with international commitments and laws opposing the Anti-Homosexuality Bill.

    1. Cardinal Capone 12 Nov 2012, 9:32pm

      “A life sentence for people in same-sex marriages”.

      Brings a new irony to the old joke, “marriage isn’t a word, it’s a sentence”.

      But are you saying the death penalty has been removed for someone convicted of more than one offence under the Act ( which includes straight people)? I don’t think it has.

      1. I think you are right that the “crime” of aggravated homosexuality will still get the death penalty, the list is of other “crimes”also included in the anti-gay bill.

  29. …sad as it seems, Uganda is literally a backward nation. It’s disgusting and a filthy place considering all the health risks etc. that come with it I’m not surprised their against gays–especially when you think of anal sex!

    1. Learn to spell you thick bigot…..and by the by, you don’t think.

  30. Paul in Brighton 12 Nov 2012, 6:08pm

    Time to badger your supermarkets – Waitrose included who stock lots of produce and products from Uganda. Look out for fruit, vegetables, teas and coffees.

    The way to make a stand is to boycott their produce and imports. Make Uganda as unacceptable internationally as South Africa became during Apartheid.

    And when it comes to this decision, as Valksy has so helpfully pointed out – this law has been approved by all Christian churches including the Catholic and Anglican Churches.

    Time to make a stand people – write to the CEOs of the main supermarket chains – Waitrose should be first on the list as they always claim to take an ethical stance.

    Enough is enough.

    1. A good idea, Paul.

  31. George Broadhead 12 Nov 2012, 6:24pm

    The Anti-Homosexuality Bill was first introduced as a private member’s bill by MP David Bahati in October 2009. Bahati is an evangelical Christian and a member of the Fellowship Foundation, also known as the Family, a US-based Christian and political organisation which arranges the annual prestigious National Prayer Breakfast in Washington.

    1. Well done, George, for keeping us informed about this.

      For the benefit of PN readers who would like to subscribe, could you tell us please how to subscribe to Pink Triangle Trust news releases on this and other LGBT-related issues?

      1. George Broadhead 12 Nov 2012, 9:37pm

        Thanks Gazza.

        You can keep track of PTT news releases by going to: http://www.thepinkhumanist.com/index.php/press-releases

    2. Cardinal Capone 12 Nov 2012, 9:39pm

      He also went to Uni in Cardiff.

  32. Christopher in Canada 12 Nov 2012, 6:25pm

    The chickens have come home to roost, o C17 missionaries. The British anti-buggery and sodomy laws are still on the books in many modern former colonies. Smallpox was not enough – they had to destroy indigenous cultures and religions as well… all to satisfy the needs of a medieval pope. What have we learned?

    1. Cardinal Capone 12 Nov 2012, 9:41pm

      To ignore the Pope.

  33. I think if Uganda passes this anti-homosexual law, which will create a witch hunt for gay people, they should have all aid monies and other goods which are given by Britain, totally withdrawn. I know that America and other european countries will do the same. Lets see how Uganda will survive then…

    1. Cardinal Capone 12 Nov 2012, 9:47pm

      It’s not just gay people. If someone working for an NGO on AIDS and the gay population is convicted of more than one offence, or some one fails to report a gay person more than once, under the bill as drafted, these people too face the death penalty, as their crimes fall under the definition of ” aggravated homosexuality”.

  34. I find it worrying that this thread has garnered over 50 replies, but a South African lesbian is murdered and only six people deem it worthy to respond? Something’s wrong.

  35. How about the new Archbishop of Canterbury showing us that he means business when he says homophobia must not be tolerated, and instructing the Anglican Bishops and Christians in Uganda to challenge this appalling oppression of LGBT people.

  36. Well done, Pink News, for keeping so many people informed of important developments for LGBT people like this appalling one in Uganda.

    As a result of the Internet, news can be spread quickly, and countermeasures can be organised quickly as well.

    Please continue to keep us posted on this issue.

    1. Please DO NOT FEED THE TROLL who has posted below this comment. He is not well and needs help. Taking his posts seriously by replying to them reinforces his sense of having said something worth replying to, and this does not help him.

      1. Apologies for my rudeness. I have had some bad news from the clinic today and have been finding green slime in my poo.

        1. As you may have guessed, the fecal-obsessed troll has posted a comment on here under my user name with a dot at the end.

  37. brownfingeredfiddler. 12 Nov 2012, 7:05pm

    Thumbs up from me for Uganda. Forward thinking with a view to protecting society from the scourge of the deviant brigade who’s disgusting practices kill even innocent babies.
    It’s a pity the same laws cannot b applied to heterosexual immorality and sodomy also.

    1. Dave North 13 Nov 2012, 6:22am

      Go f\/ck yourself @rsewipe

      1. Dave North
        Sorry for the outburst BFF. I had some bad news today at the clinic.

  38. Just take a look at the support the Anglican Church of Uganda gives to this bill and the criminalisation of LGBT sex:

    http://churchofuganda.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/COU-official-position-on-the-Anti-Homosexuality-Bill-2009..pdf

    How on Earth can the Archbishop of Canterbury tolerate this?

    If he does not condemn the Anglican Church in Uganda in the strongest possible terms for its support of fascistic persecution of LGBT people in that country, he must be held accountable as the Head of the Anglican Communion worldwide.

    If necessary, the Ugandan church should be excommunicated from the Anglican Communion. We should not tolerate any weasel-worded skating round this appalling behaviour by his bishops and their congregations in Uganda.

  39. Har Davids 12 Nov 2012, 8:39pm

    Start compiling a black-list of Uganda politicians and religious leaders who’re behind this anti-gay law. And cutting aid might help.

  40. Art Pearson 12 Nov 2012, 8:48pm

    It’s about time we looked at sanctions against Uganda; boycotts etc.

  41. George Broadhead 12 Nov 2012, 9:27pm

    At his post appointment press conference the new Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, declared: “We must have no truck with any form of homophobia in any part of the church”.

    If the support for the Ugandan Anti-Gay Bill from its Anglican Church doesn’t constitute homophobia, what does? But will Welby act?

  42. It is Africa, remember. Almost all of the continent is living in the dark ages and no amount of financial aid will change that.

    Our country wouldn’t be too far ahead of them if some of our religiously-minded ‘leaders’ had their way. Apart from religious figures, we have MPs who would like our Parliament be doing exactly what Uganda’s Parliament is doing.

    We only have to look to quite a number of USA states to see how homophobic politicians can be in a so-called ‘modern, democratic civilisation’ and how quickly our rights can be taken away.

    We should never be complacent.

  43. I hate the anit-homosexuality law just as much as the next decent person. If we cut aid to Uganda, surely innocent Ugandans (including children) that don’t support the bill would suffer. There must be a better way of effecting change. Any ideas?

    1. Dave North 13 Nov 2012, 6:21am

      Do you honestly think the “man in the street” sees one brass farthing of this aid?

    2. Cardinal Capone 13 Nov 2012, 10:19am

      Those pastors drive really nice cars over there.

  44. Much of Africa embraces dark-age mentality and no amount of financial aid will change that.

    We however, have our own religious figures and religiously-minded politicians who would like our Parliament to do exactly what the Ugandan Parliament is doing – and we only have to look to quite a number of U.S. states to see how our rights can be taken away or kicked into the long grass.

    We shouldn’t be complacent. Our rights are in the hands of the Government of the day and it only takes a religious right-wing Tory to topple Cameron and gain a majority at the next election.

  45. Lelio Risen 12 Nov 2012, 10:54pm

    About the only ‘perversion’ here is the one being perpetrated by the homophobic bigots in Idi Amin’s former country. All of these alleged ‘Christians’ should be ashamed of their behavior.

    Can you say Idi-ots?

    @leliorisen

  46. the west is failing in convincing africa to change its stance on gay rights.

    its time the e.u introduced embargo and eu wide ban on politicians from those countries that have laws prosecuting lgbt people.

  47. GingerlyColors 13 Nov 2012, 7:16am

    I think that I have run out of things to say about that homophobic cesspit of a country.

  48. I keep laughing when I see her picture. The’s the scariest looking villain since Freddie Kruger.

    1. The descriptor ‘villain’ fits her perfectly.

    2. She looks like a rough looking frank bruno after 20 rounds in the ring with a bad weave.

  49. Cardinal Capone 13 Nov 2012, 10:23am

    It’s possible the Anglican church in Uganda has taken the the appointment of the new Archbish as licence to revert to their support for killing gays. I hope he will disabuse them of this notion.

    CHristians everywhere that are opposed to homophobia, and in particular the state murder of gay people need to let Ugandan churches that their stance is unchristian and inhuman.

    1. Typical silence from the christian lot.

  50. I hope Uganda gets cut off from the world support and supplies to teach them a big lesson concerning Human Rights of every individual; and their entrance to any UN nation to be banned; except for those who are being persecuted, threatened by Uganda’s unethical law.

    1. Cardinal Capone 13 Nov 2012, 2:39pm

      Unlikely, as several African and Asian nations would support them.

      What might make an impact though would be for people like this woman, who, despite being a champion of women’s rights, is too arrogant to be open to dialogue on the gay issue, and unwilling to learn facts, to be banned from conferences such as those she was invited to in Canada and London. Maybe even banned from entering the EU if she supports the genocide of gay people.

      Someone posted a letter from the organisers of the London conference that by inviting people such as her, it opens them up to dialogue, and they see it as constructive engagement. However she appears to have left the conference even more determined to bring in the genocidal bill that she has long actively supported. So that clearly hasn’t worked. Time for a different approach perhaps.

  51. if i was the pm of the uk i would stop all aid to that evil and corrupt country straight away their seem to be brainwashed by religion all the time where here in the uk we are giving religion the boot and it aint getting its way

  52. Tony Romanelli 14 Nov 2012, 6:03am

    We need to put pressure on the Ugandan Government by boycotting the country completely. Blacklist them internationally to give them a strong and clear message. They need us, whereas we don’t need them!!

  53. Christmas gift, killing for Christ.

  54. Michael Breen 15 Nov 2012, 11:04am

    God damned church again. You are all dinosaurs and have no place in the real world. Your pedo priest’s grow older and your flocks are dwindling and no new priests are taking their vows. You are doomed and I humbly thank god for that!.

  55. We’ve survived b4. Uk has nolonger provides aid to us. Europe or america is not our main mkt base. So europe has little to do to persuade us to take a stupid decision of making us to drop our moral values

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