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Manchester: Train passenger apologises for anti-gay rant

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  1. If the victims have accepted his apology, then that is sufficient. I’m not sure I would have accepted it.

    1. Me neither. I believe he only apologised because he was identified in the video.

  2. He’s likely only sorry because he got caught and recorded doing it. I doubt it’s a heartfelt apology. It’s saddening to see his kind of attitude and behaviour still exists these days.

  3. The ranting freak should have been given a community sentence and forced to work with an HIV/AIDS charity, a caution isn’t worth the paper it is written on.

    1. Do you think an HIV/AIDS charity would want someone like him working for them? I don’t.

    2. A police caution is a formal warning given to adults who admit they are guilty of first-time minor offences. According to the Home Office, a police caution forms part of a criminal record. A caution may affect both employment and travel prospects. A caution may be considered in court in the event of the offender being tried for a similar offence. A caution remains in police records for a minimum of 5 years but usually indefinately. This also saves court time and public expense. This will hopefully prevent this man from offending again. However should he do so a more serious sentence is likely.

  4. Terry Stewart 12 Nov 2012, 7:08pm

    The whole point in having laws is to maintain our rights as full citizens. If the police then decide not to uphold the law, then we remain unprotected and open to abuse and prejudice.

    Is the Crown Prosecution Service and the Police inviting us to take the law into our own hands? Because thats all thats left when the State and its agents refuse to protect its citizens.

    1. GingerlyColors 13 Nov 2012, 7:09am

      As I read your comment I hear that the European Courts have ruled in favour of homophobic Al Qaida suspect, Abu Qatada who is now free to go home to his family and not be deported to his native Jordan. It seems, therefore that the courts favour people who are not even European, let alone British citizens. Such attitudes only play into the hands of the far-right who are not necessarily friends of us either. When people start taking the law into their own hands because the CPS, the police and ECHR fail to protect us we will end up with mob rule and there can be no justice when we have mob rule as innocent people will end up getting hurt.

  5. How does this show that reporting hate crimes is effective? They showed up, gave a warning and later there was an apology when it was clear the video was out there. Without that what would the police have done?

    We’ve seen similar bigoted rants on public transport treated much more severely

  6. Paul in Brighton 12 Nov 2012, 7:30pm

    I admire the victims for coming forward and making such a stance as well as standing up to this scumbag on the train.

    If they both accept his apology, then that’s good enough for me.

  7. Victims of racial abuse:
    Prison sentence
    Shaming of offender on news channels
    1+ Million views on Youtube
    Public outrage

    Gay victims:
    Man receives caution
    Man apologises
    Next to no notoriety etc.

    - Now it’s possibly a little unfair and vague to do this comparison. But there is an element of truth to it. This is simply not right, discrimination is discrimination, regardless of what you are, treat it with the same consequences across the board, otherwise it isn’t very effective!

    1. No Jake, not unfair. You’re spot on. What a pity neither of his victims couldn’t have smashed this bigot’s jaw. The law will do nothing for us.

      1. Mind you posting pix of yourself with your trousers undone with another guy grabbing your balls through your pants doesn’t really help us either!

    2. Shannon Taylor 12 Nov 2012, 8:43pm

      Its the same for transexuals. I almost killed myself from grief off one guy before the cops did anything and when they did i didnt even get an apology. They are lucky they got that. The guy that harrassed me got a slapped wrist. It takes the P*** when others are sent to prison for racist attacks

  8. Anyone who watches the video would not believe his “sorry” was heart felt. His rage was pure hate, utterly and completely. He doesn’t mean it..

  9. Victims racially abused on train:
    - Prison sentence
    - News channels publically shaming offender
    - 1+ Million views on Youtube
    - Public outrage

    Gay victims abused on train:
    - Police caution
    - No notoriety on social media
    - Scarcely reported by media
    - Victim apologises and it ends

    Perhaps it is a little unfair to make this comparison. Yet, truth lies in the idea that this government and the police (even if transport police is a private organisation) have to enforce that ALL discrimination should be treated the same across the board. If you don’t ensure this, it simply isn’t effective, and people suffer because of this.

    1. Oops, already posted this earlier, sorry.

  10. if you had been using the p or N world against a person of colour I’m sure he would of been charged – its seem the police still treat as as second class

  11. Look, the guy had ‘issues’, he was mouthing off in that way drunk ‘straight’ guys do when they are pissed. He has apologised to them. Brave couple tho.

    1. No, Liam. I’ve lived and worked in an area brimming with people like that homophobe. You seem to think he couldn’t have been so offensive unless drunk. That’s incorrect. You need to be aware that there are 1000s and 1000s of people who mouth off like that when they are stone cold sober.

  12. So how come this apology isn’t a public one then? What exactly is the wording of it?

    We’ve had the ‘benefit’ of hearing this yob’s negative opinions in great details, how is it we don’t know what he’s said when he’s trying to be decent?

  13. “I would ask that the media respect our decision to draw a line under this matter and I am confident this view is shared by the offender.”

    I just bet it is

  14. GingerlyColors 13 Nov 2012, 7:14am

    No doubt he is sorry only because he had made an absolute fool of himself and got himself pilloried on YouTube. I don’t think ‘sorry’ is good enough for that tirade of hate that spewed from his mouth. Maybe he will blame drink for it but personally I think that alcohol should be considered an aggravating factor and not a mitigating one when it comes to bringing people to justice after they had behaved like that while under the influence of drink. Whether or not he was intoxicated at the time was never mentioned but who goes to Blackpool just to drink tea and play Scrabble anyway?

    1. He may blame drink, but drink doesn’t make you say things you don’t mean; it makes you say things you do mean but would normally keep to yourself.

  15. So he apparently apologised and yet the apology itself is not published on this report. What did he say exactly?

    There is no way on this earth that if I had been subjected to the vile and threatening abuse he dished out, I would not be as accepting or forgiving.

  16. Well, I would not have accepted an ‘apology’ from this man either… But they did and they were a very brave couple throughout this whole sorry incident. It’s up to them..

    I have to say though that it’s one in the eye for those on here who were suggesting they would now be jumping on the compo bandwagon!

    100% fair play to them both.

  17. It amuses me when someone in authority says something along the lines of: the matter is closed because I’m telling you it’s closed.

    No it’s not.

    The fact that the men accepted the apology, days after saying they found the man was treated leniently suggests that there’s been some hard bargaining behind the scenes. Which is their choice to accept.

    However, the fact remains that a conductor asked the abused people to change carriage and the abuser got away with behaviour that would have not been accepted had it been a racist rant.

    Those two actions affect us all, not just those abused, and the BTP has no right and no justification to say the matter is closed.

  18. “Facilitated an apology” . . . .LOL . . brilliant . . . !

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