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Never mind the cheap shot by Schofield -LGBTory patron Stuart Andrew needs to explain to his party leader that homosexuality and paedophilia are not in any way the same thing.
Most pedos are heterosexual men.
Ignorance or revealed homophobia, Cameron?
Oh shush, that wasn’t what he meant and you know it. stop stirring.
Before Cameron said ‘gay witch hunt’, news outlets were talking about Tory politicians and judges who had used their power to abuse children. Now the story is about a ‘gay witch hunt’. Schofields list might have not had any gay men on it – have you seen the list he showed to the PM? The PM has diverted the negative publicity over this child abuse scandal from Tory politicians and high ranking judges to gay men. Schofield didn’t mention gay men on national TV, Cameron did.
Wow! Like Wow Mark Y. Paranoid much? Straight from the plot of a John Grisham novel.
Mark, just to pull you back to reality, Cameron didn’t say ‘Gay witch hunt’. You saying he did doesn’t make it true. It didn’t happen. He didn’t say it.
You are talking nonesense.
Nonsense even!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20251939
Cameron put Gay and Paedophile in the same sentence. Cameron is evidently far more concerned about a small number of powerful paedophiles than ordinary LGBT people who will all be tarred with this as aconsequence.
Don’t tell me what I meant you Tory snoop – go bugger a choir boy
So what did he mean you public school tosser?
Bigot.
Agreed, and the LGBTORY patron is most inevitably going to be associated with and will probably become a victim of the mud slinging due to camerons damaging choice of words.
Schofield said not one word about Gay or LGBT people. Cameron is trained to deal with the media and put Gay and Paedo in the same sentence. Why not just mention a witch hunt? Schofield was interviewing the prime minister, it is an interiewers job to ask difficult question of political figures that represent present concerns of society. Schofield revealed no names.
I think it was astonishingly brave and decent of Schofield to do this. Why have the allegation been there so long and not properly investigated? I see snobbery, just like the snobbery in Rochdale. The victims are poor, the perpetrators are rich, so the due process of law doesn’t have to happen. All manner of nasty allegationscan be made against the victims, but the perpetrators can’t even be named! So unfair nobody was going to let go. Why did the original enquiry miss and not consider the most important part of th eabuse? Why was McAlpine politely and quietly asked to leave western Australia. Gay and Paedophile are not the same and we should make this clear.
Right so the perpetrators were rich, so anyone rich is fair game then are they?
No matter that they had nothing to do with it, if they’re rich they are guilty of something anyway, so let’s get them for this.
Why was McAlpine politely and quietly asked to leave Western Australia?
I don’t know.
You tell us.
Why?
Hanna, Philip did a really stupid thing. If he or anyone else, had read out one of the names on that list it would have been libel and he would have been liable to prosecution. We do not have trial by TV, still less trial by internet. Even Jimmy Savile has yet to be PROVEN to be what everyone now says he is. We cannot have names listed on pieces of paper and bandied around as ‘proof’ of anything. Everyone needs to calm down about this whole thing.
Another Hannah, I was reading today that Lord McAlpine’s solicitors will be tracking down those people on the internet that have defamed him.
How do you feel about that?
The BBC have unreservedly apologised, the victim who incorrectly identified Lord McAlpine has apologised, and you … are you sorry you defamed him?
We see yet another Conservative MP attempting to muddy the water of the divide between homo and paedo. Loyal to party or community first?
So ummm, you voted for the Lib Dems and are still a bit miffed?
I voted Green. I’ve always disliked Clegg and I thought Cameron was a liar. Next time I will vote Labour, BUT only if these alegations are properly, once and for all investigated and these kids and future kids get proper justice.
This is what happens when vacuous little idiots like Schofield try to make themselves look serious and important.
Sadly, what should be a serious issue is now starting to look like the Paedofinder General from Monkey Dust:
http://goo.gl/zyBK5
For sure. Schofield probably thought he was channeling David Frost in his pretty p1ss poor attempt at a ratings boost.
Scofield did not mention Gay or a name. he tried to confidentially give the prime minister a list of names to properly investigate as it has been a cause of concern for many for a long time. Notably Cameron did not quietly take th ebit of paper, and then wetn on to put two words, Gay and Paedophile in the same sentence.
HOW COME THIS SITE IS BEING MOBBED BY TORY STAFF CONTRADICTING WHAT WE HEARD THIS MILLIONAIRE THUG SAY ON TV – SO THIS ARGUMENT – LIKE ALL THEIR POLICIES – IS CORRUPTED BY LIES – WITH CONESCENDING REPLIES TO OUR GENUINE POINTS OF VIEW?
STOP SHOUTING, JD. WE CAN HEAR YOU FINE IN LOWER CASE LETTERS.
“People are disagreeing with me. It must be a conspiracy!”
For the record, I have only ever voted Labour and Lib-Dem.
Schofield deserves condemnation for this stunt certainly.
And equally Cameron deserves condemnation for bringing the gay community into the discussion without being prompted to do so by Schofield.
Does LGBTory also condemn Cameron’s stupidity and irresponsibility?
If not then why not?
Does LGBTory condemn Cam,eron’s complete inaction on marriage equality also?
If not then why not?
It looks to me like LGBTory is nothing but a worthless PR game. It certainly does not seem to care about the LGBT community
Come on, David. Your posts are starting to read like the Dr Seuss books that I read to my son.
Zing!
Haha
I do like to put them in a box.
I do not like them, they are cocks.
I do not like them in my house.
I do not like them with a mouse.
I do not like them here or there.
tories, homophobes, everywhere.
I do not like green eggs and ham.
I do not like them, dAVID I am.
I’m still waiting for a valid reason why the legislative process for marriage equality has not started yet.
It’s been almost 3 years since the election.
It is true that the marriage equality legislation is taking time to go through, and that it does not appear to be on the fast track with this government. However, consultation does have to happen, just even if it is to cajole and placate some quarters to believe that they have been listened to. To just go full throttle without consultation would be the wrong way to conduct democratic politics.
For the marriage equality legislation to be pushed through just on the back of these comments though would also scream the worst kind of lobby politics and is not the reason why it should be pushed through. I understand leverage is always required but this issue is important enough that it should stand on its own two feet and not be bandied around tit for tat.
However, I am agreed with you that if it is not pursued and delivered within this parliament, Cameron would deserve all the vitriol and scorn that could be poured on him.
For the thousandth time the ‘consultation’ was NOT necessary.
A public consultation on a law-abiding, tax-paying minority’s equal civil rights has NEVER been subject to a public consultation before.
It was nothing but a time-wasting exercise, which simply allowed the hateful bigots time to organise.
There is no valid reason why a draft marriage equality bill should not be introduced before Parliamwent on Monday.
the only thing preventing this is a lack of will by the Tories and Cameron.
“consultation does have to happen..”
You’ll really struggle to support that argument, and you know that, don’t you? In fact, most legislation don’t get to see the light of day, let alone the priviledge of being awarded an expensive and time and resource consuming consultative process. Teh gays must be really special …
What other civil rights could we consult next? Use your imagination.
For clarification, I said within that sentence a consultation has to happen, and it does unfortunately, to placate those who are against it. It is unfortunate that it has to occur for those purposes, but every politician and political group must cover its back some way with the electorate. Without the consultation, people would have been up in arms even more than now.
To believe that this government would have had the guts to proceed without a consultation on this issue is not possible, precisely because this government does not have the guts. So in fact, the consultation is a pragmatic, though unfortunate compromise that needed to be made in order to get the legislation through. To believe that any piece of equal rights legislation was not put through due to compromise and pragmatism in the process before it and was just whimsically enacted due to the strength of the government’s principles is naive. If it takes a damned consultation to get it through, I have no issue with it.
What back are they covering with this consultation? All arguments and technicalities had already been discussed ad nauseum, for well over a decade, prior to the consultation. All the consultation did was to ask vague unbinding questions, which randomly attracted both pro and against opinions. It has been delayed twice without any motive, and as a consequence it only started one whole funcking year after it was initially programmed to start. All without any explanation. Just delayed pure and simple. During the whole year, the against side had the time to develop a very nasty and homophobic campaign, supported by many in the Tory party. Yes, CallMeDave’s mates supported that homophobic campaign, and he just ignored the vitriol. Well, we can’t really blame him can we, that vitriol was being directed at us, not at him, so… why should he get involved?
Which begs the following funcking questions, why all of a sudden and after 3 whole years totally ignoring the homophobic vitriol coming from his own mates and headquarter, he decided to defend teh gays, out of nowhere, at the exact same time when he was being pressed against a wall to take leadership on an alleged abuse scandal surfacing and pointing exactly at some of his minions? Does that mean he will sack from now on any of them if they behave unappropriately? Or will he continue to ignore their vitriol at his own convenience?
“All of a sudden”? Cameron has been supporting LGBTQ rights for at least the past three years, often in opposition to many members of his own party.
dAVID
Please forgive me, but I have the image of you as Miss Havisham, sitting at your writing desk in a wedding dress with three years of grime and dust, writing angry letters to LGBTory and David Cameron demanding to know why they are putting you through the agony of this long wait till your nuptials.
David, I think that you will wait forever – not because there are no valid reasons but because you do not recognise the reasons as being valid. There is nothing that anyone can say to assuage you.
And a lot of people consider you unsuitable as a parent, especially after camerons association of the word gay with paedophilia .
Barclays and Couts own Stonewall. Now the Con party own Pink News? Scofield was one of the few people brave enough to push for a proper investigation, he said absolutely nothing about LGBT people, your hero Cameron put Paedo and Gay in the same sentence.
“Scofield was one of the few people brave enough”…..you Hannah are a fluck!ng imbecile. Do you think he did this for anything other than ratings?
Hannah – freedom of speech extends for people on the right. It seems as if you think we should have no rights to express ourselves. One does not need to be a member of a political party to be on the right.
Now the whipping is working folks… now it isn’t… now it is again…. now it isn’t ….
“I was not accusing anyone of anything and it is essential that it is understood that I would never be part of any kind of witch-hunt.
That ‘may’ be the case Mr Schofield but you were actively seeking to invoke doubt and suspicion on a set of individuals without any actual evidence.
Thus kind of journalism is more fitted to the likes of the daily mail! Where’s your integrity Mr Schofield?
Integrity? Did he ever have any? He’s played Joseph in the West End, messed around with Gordon the Gopher and currently reads an autocue for a few hours every morning ffs.
Whats Scofiled got to do with it? He didn’t mention Gay it was Cameron put Gay and paedo in the same sentence. 20 years and this has not been properly investigated and put to rest. More concerned about a few paedos of the LGBT community?
I assume that when you are carted off to court for defamation of Lord McAlpine, you’ll be pleading stupidity.
Anyone who has their name on that list, especially Lord McAlpine should sue Schofield and ITV for as much as they can get, after expenses donate it to charity.
but with so much corruption revealed in the london aids charity sector not the aids charity sector
Our laws shoud be examined to see why there has been no proper investigation in 20 years. Why was McAlpine quietly asked to leave Australia? Why is only he and only 2 others NOTORIOUS for this? Why no proper investigation in 20 years? Scofield did not reveal any names soo there is nothing to investigate incidentally.
You seem to have completely dropped off the scene now Hannah. are you living in your loft for fear of being carted off by the police at the request of Mr McAlpine for your libelous comments about him, or is it you can’t afford the internet now he’s suing the pants off you?
Either way, I think the moral or the story is don’t go slagging off people when you know nothing about them. just because you read it on the internet doesn’t make it true (as anyone reading anything you have posted can attest).
Cameron can make amends for his careless stupidity by introdicing a draft marriage equality bill before parliament on Monday.
We’re all agreed on that right?
There’s no valid reason why he can’t do this.
And if he did you and more like you would be on here complaining he didn’t mean it genuinely and it was an empty gesture.
I wouldn’t.
This is not about me – this is about Cameron’s refusal to even start the process of marriage equality.
The point blank refusal by Cameron to start the process of legislating for equality is a strong indicator that he is the same poisonous Tory bigot as he was, when he was in opposition.
David – really. The poison really sounds as if it comes from you. David Cameron is unlikely to be a poisonous bigot – and to say so undermines any attempt to point to real poisonous bigots.
And if he did you’d complain he didn’t do it last monday. Grow up!
Why is he refusing to start the legislative process of enacting marriage equality.
Attacking me is all very well but it does not alter the fact that Cameron is failing miserably to live up to his pledge to introduce marriage equality.
Typical Tory bigotry I would say.
I get the feeling there isn’t anything he could do that would make you happy mate.
He could introduce a draft marriage equality bill before parliament on Monday 12th November 2012.
I would be very happy then.
And the good thing is that there is nothing preventing him from doing just that.
Will he I wonder?
If not then why not?
he could shoot himself in his empty public school head!
Schofield should apologise or be sacked for this stunt.
Surely someone warned him before the show that this was a bad idea and he would just show how stupid an attention-seeker he is?
People have been linking paedophiles and gays together, including Jim Davidson. David Cameron tells people to stop this and take it to the police rather than ruin someone’s career. Why is Cameron being attacked by dimwits (including Tatchell) for this?
While being interviewed Cameron tells people to stop linking kiddie-fiddlers to gay people, even though he did not look at the piece of paper handed to him; and even though Philip Schofield did not mention gay people.
What planet is Cameron on?
Schofield did not mention any group or any name. Cameron, who is trained to deal with the media put Gay and Paedo in the same sentence. he must have known what the result would be. Shofield was interviewing a prime minister, and it is an interviewers job to ask difficult quations that reflect current concerns of society.
they all jump on.the free publicity bandwagon like tatchell does while the rich gay tory.boys use aids charity ca$$$$$$$h to hush people up with their gay gagging agreements to cover up thr own incompetence remember the rich gay tory boys tried to sacrifice the disabled at crusaid and will stop at.nothing to silence people or sacrifice them BE WARNED
luckily THTs legal advisor this year destroyed the crusaid gagging agreement from 2004 a huge document but lgbt media are trying to.keep it all hush hush from community they dont want the gays to find out they were made foold of so the rich gay tory boys cld have another go at running a aids charity ! ! ! ! make a fool.a gay today LOL thats how.much the lgbt community is valued :-O
This is the truth they don’t want you to know. You heard it here.
wait till you find out the powrful names involved in the crusaid aids charity scandal – you wont believe the poweful gay men involved in this dirty sordid skidmarked aidd charity scandal
RICHGAY TORY BOYS
some members of lgbt community have been desperately trying to stop the truth coming out but failed
you wont believe the deceit involved and sooo many london gay men :-C
What about all the cheap shots at Scofield? He didn’t mention LGBT people! I never though I’d end up having to defend Scofield somebody who I don’t actually go a bundle on! Blame where blame is due, Cameron and the Conservatives put Gay and paedophile in the same sentence. Unforgivable. Blame where blame belongs. Schofield deliberately did not reveal any names, but tried to make sure the prime minister did try to properly investigated. The establishment are the panic. They won’t even give names the allegations are against.
The system of hiding comments on here is looking seriously bad here as well. I may well as aresult of what I’m seeing here avoid the PINK News and the Gay community for the rest of my life. My loyalty is to the victims of crime not wealthy, powerful politicians who can afford to misuse out legal sytem so that they are not even named.
Does anything make you happy? Not the tories, not Pink News? Glass half empty?
Hannah – why would you avoid the gay community and the gay community for the rest of your life? For the rest of your life? Because some people disagree with you?
It really makes no sense – if you don’t agree with someone then you don’t agree. It does not mean that you have to become a hermit.
Because it seems to be being manipulated by the Conservative party that have nothinng to do with this stuff! I’m not a publicity device for a Conservative politician. Gay rights, no the rights of wealthy politicians and public figures.
Surely equal rights for all?
As someone who has never voted Conservative, I’ve marked down those comments of yours that I have mostly because I consider their content to be ill-considered and unhelpful.
Plenty of things make me happy thanks. What has character assasination to do with this though? That definately does make me unhappy stick to facts, forget the slanders.
I was hoping you’d been arrested for defamation by now quite frankly.
I think its shameful you haven’t had the backbone to apologise or retract some of your comments on here.
Cameron didn’t actually say “gay witch hunt”, but I do think he should have ommitted any reference to gay people unless he knew for sure that those on the list happened to be gay. I think it was just a bad judgement call on his part, but not ill-intentioned.
Schofield however should be taken to task. He had no business doing what he did. Revealing that he now back-tracks after the storm it’s created. Totally irresponsible of him.
It is the job of an interviewer to put difficult questions to an interviewee. he did this without revealing names, and without in any way mentioning LGBT people.
tory tosser
this articles discussion has clearly been invaded by Tory school boys spending too much time trying to dismantle this clearly homophobic insinuation by their millionaire leader – go a get jobs and give freedom of opinion a chance -
Yes, JD wants freedom of opinion, unless you are a Conservative supporter, in which case you should apparently avoid posting here.
And I get the impression JD, Another Hannah, dAVID and the rest of the tools on here regurgitating their same Tory bashing statement over and over wouldn’t be half as irate if it were Nick Clegg on the receiving end of Schofield’s embarrassing attempt at pretending to be a journalist.
Tory trolls have desperately attempted to monopolise these boards, but fail to convince .The whole country knows what cameron said and the association he made whether inadvertently or not. The legacy of his choice of wording is not a positive one for LGBT. My cousins teenage son , who is usually called batty man at school , has now being given the new bullying term of “pedo” from classmates for being perceived as being gay. Thanks cameron for introducing a new generation to what we thought had become an outdated association.
Wow! David Cameron single handedly has caused children to be called paedos. Who knew he had such amazing powers.
I wouldn’t call inspiring teenagers to start using the term ‘pedo’ for someone who is perceived as being gay an amazing power. I’d call it irresponsible.
Cameron as prime minister is a very high profile figure, and can and does command the news like nobody else.
I am sorry to hear that rapture
David Cameron shouldn`t have even mentioned gay people now the homophobes are out in full swing branding all gay men child abusers
I`ve reported a comment on facebook last night calling all gay men child rapists so far facebook have done nothing noit even removed the comment.
No gay person or bisexual person should have to put up with this in 2012 especially not in Britain.
Yes , i feel that the injustice of cameron’s comments will cause increased persecution or insidious discrimination of gay parents , younger gay people or any gay men involved in working with children.
I don’t vote Tory or Labour, but I’m quite shocked at how Tory these comment boards are. It’s quite strange, and thankfully not reflected anywhere else that I have looked. Most people on the internet realise that Cameron has very successfully turned the debate into one which focuses on a ‘witch hunt against gay people’ rather than focus on Tory politicians and judges who have used their power to abuse children. I guess those who voted Tory feel they must defend their leader whatever the cost to their own equality. But this isn’t about politic parties, it’s about a man who replaced the word ‘paedophile’ with ‘gay’ on national TV. I’d be saying the same thing if it was Milliband, Clegg or Cameron. Cameron needs to apologise, explain himself, or do something to stop the oncoming ‘witch hunt’ which gay men are going to suffer from because of Paedophiles.
I agree, it seems that it is only some misguided , gullible persons on here who have not figured it out properly ,or they assume their defence of the indefensible will somehow bizarrely carry weight with LGBT people. Pathetic uncle toms, anyhow we can look forward to the tories being annihilated in coming elections.
‘Pathetic uncle toms’ … can you not see the irony of whining on about David Cameron being homophobic and then coming out with a racist phrase like ‘uncle tom’.
I can understand that your defense will of course be that you are too stupid to even understand that it is a racist term.
You have just accused tory judges and politicians of being paedophiles and using their power to molest children yet you object to the slightest suggestion that any gay person might molest a child.
If you have any evidence about the judges and politicians please give it to the police for proper investigation, otherwise why contribute to the persecution of people simply because of their political preferences. Is that not as bad as persecuting us for our sexual preferences?
Well stated, stephanie.
Actually, the point the PM makes is a valid one; he was referring to Draconian attitudes towards gay people in our upper echeolons at the time. I didn’t interpret that as ignorance towards gay people. Furthermore, if anyone hasn’t watched Schofield “interview” with Freddie Starr, I would urge you to do so. I retain, like most sane minded people an open mindset on such stories, until I am in possession of the full facts; it is evident from that interview that Schofield does not. His position should be reviewed!
David Cameron no doubt meant well, but it was not a good idea for him to mention his concern that there could be a witchhunt against gay people, as this had the potential, with the help of protesting left-wing activists, to resurrect the dishonest association that religious bigots used to peddle between being gay and being a child abuser.
It seems he was taken aback by the disgraceful and stupid ambush that happened by that vacuous twit Schofield, and that the comment came out as a result of this.
The vast majority of people know that gay people are no more likely to be child abusers than straight people. Apart from among extremist religionists, that bigoted belief belongs to the past.
The irony is that, if this incident had been allowed to pass without comment, then it would have blown over. It is the fuss that left-wing anti-Cameron activists are making about it that is stoking the flames, keeping the issue alive, and influencing the ignorant behaviour of homophobic schoolboys
I am not convinced that all, or even most, of this flame-fanning is originating from “left-wing activists”, even if that might seem to be the case upon reading the comments pages of this site.
no one squealed when stephen biti ceo of bankrupt.aids charity ukc lost £150,000 on hid hero awardd in 2005 and covered it up or whn the gay toried runnin crusaid sent vile abuse to thr staff.n.paid em awf.in 2004 kerching all the aids charity boyd kept v quiet getting rich quick.such double standards lol
I have a feeling that section 74 of the Criminal justice and immigration act 2008 is going to be used rather frequently in the coming weeks and months.
It`s a good job this law was passed because it`s times like this LGBT people are going to need it.
Thats of course if the police actually bother to use it.
After hearing the clip this morning on Radio 2 I an appalled that he did this. At firsdt I was angry at Cameron’s remark, but that was before I’d heard it in context. But what he said is right. We’ve all read and heard what some Clergy and other bigots have said with regards to gays and pedo’s being the same! Stuff like this will not help and so totally understand David Cameron’s remark. He wasn’t saying it in a derogatory way, but more sympathetic…and I don’
t say that normally about him.
Phillip, now that you have tried eating guinea pig, I wonder what gophers taste like.
the rich gay tory boys still.REFUSE to.apologise for their email.at crudaid.in 2004 “pain n suffering to alot of.people get another.job” after staff emailef them reqjuesting the removal.of someone elses aids diagnosis from thr staff appraisal
how unfortunate the staff were also.a police panel member ! ! ! perhaps the lgbtorys cld apologise ? ? ? show us u.care LOL
Troll alert
although a witch hunt would not stand up in court, the said abusers in powerful positions over the last forty have destroyed more british lives than war has in that period, in then starts to feel like treason and maybe they should be punished accordingly and stripped of their assets aswell. what does the queen think of her subjects now?
in said scandal there has been no mention of money. where theres muck there brass.who are they and when will they be brought to justice. the picture will keep growing until our so called leader steps up
Oh come on now, you know if there was ever any sort of “witch hunt” we’d be the first against the wall. There are already plenty of people that don’t like us. And remember when the Sun published a list of people it was ‘pretty sure were totally paedos’ and a perfectly innocent paediatrician got fire bombed? People in groups when angered tend towards rank idiocy.
*”people who don’t like us”
…who conflate homosexuality and paedophilia
Cut a bit out.