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  1. No surprise, they have form going back centuries of holding back social and scientific progress.

  2. That There Other David 5 Nov 2012, 6:35pm

    He needs to remember that the French people are behind this policy. The Vatican might scream the loudest, but they are still very much in the minority. Equality, M. Hollande, is more important than keeping some old kiddle-fiddler in a frock happy.

  3. Abolish Catholic Schools what a really good idea, then let’s have the other religous schools follow immediately afterwards.

    1. Can I just take a moment to agree with this 100%.
      Me and my brother (as children) were told to either move to another school that isn’t operated by the Church of England, or be deliberately placed at a disadvantage to the other students because of our mother’s differing religious views.

  4. Let us remember that the Roman Catholic Church is the working of evil in the world. One of its principal evils in
    the UK is Cardinal O’Brien.

  5. Robert in S. Kensington 5 Nov 2012, 7:10pm

    I hope he doesn’t cave in. 65% of the French electorate support it. He should listen to them, not to the right wing catholic hypocrites and bigots in the church hierarchy. Just like the UK, France is not a theocracy. How many more times do the religious nutters have be told that this is about a civil matter and has nothing to do with religious cultism and procreation, or conforming to the whims of an unelected foreign potentate based in Rome and his henchmen. It should stay out of the civil domestic affairs of a sovereign nation. His representatives in scarlet and purple whatever their rank, should be treated as subversives who are trying to undermine the role of government , the rule of law and dealt with accordingly. In another time, we all know what the result would have been for people who tried to usurp power. Madame La Guillotine may need to come out of retirement and administer a bit of rough justice.

    1. Pavlos Prince of Greece 5 Nov 2012, 7:45pm

      58% in favor of same-sex marriage and 50% – of same-sex adoption (poll in the newspaper ‘Le Parisien’). And its nothing new: earlier this question was subject of sociological discussion, now – of political. Socialist president and government are less and less popular, so all Socialist judicial initiatives too. But why its so important? When all political decisions are possible only if they have big public support, its not parliamentarian democracy, but ‘statistician’ one – and not very successful. Anyway, situation in France is critical, one more ‘delay’ of decision will be disaster – psychological and political.

  6. PeterinSydney 5 Nov 2012, 7:42pm

    Could someone please remind Cardinal 23 that there has been the French Revolution. That decided on the role of the Church in French Society, to not meddle in people’s’ lives.

  7. I have no idea where that first sentence in my previous comment came from!!!

  8. who was saying France will have it before us? Doesn’t look that way to me.

    1. He has not said that it will not be introduced, he has stated that the voice of the opposition is stronger than he realised. If he stands by his election promises then France could still have equal marriage before we do.

    2. Well there will be a marriage equality bill before the French parliament this week,

      Where is Britain’s marriage equality bill?

      When is it being introduced before parliament?

  9. The undeclared justification from the anti-gay hate-filled bigots in France has two parts: first, “you degenerate gays should be satisfied with your PACS (and look, it’s so good even the real people – straights – are entering into them) and second, you evil perverts shouldn’t be allowed to adopt innocent children and indoctrinate them into the gay lifestyle.”

    Does it sound familiar? Civil union/civil partnership has turned out to be a halfway-ghetto that rarely leads to marriage equality. Instead, it’s a “separate but equal” denial of rights.

    1. to be fair i don’t think children should be indoctrinated into religion why not teach them to be a good person (which you claim to come from your religion) then let them choose later on when they are old enough to – remember theres plenty of peadophile priests out there abusing kids – those evil “christian” perverts.

  10. What is he afraid of? He was elected with a mandate to introduce equal marriage and introduce it he should.

    Simple.

    When will the catholic church learn that they should confine their political meddling to the Vatican?

  11. TampaZeke 6 Nov 2012, 1:42am

    If only people were as vocal in SUPPORT of equality, liberty and justice as people who are against it. Where are the supporters?

    I thought we were being told that marriage in France was 100% SECULAR and that in FRANCE the church wouldn’t raise such a fuss. Yeah, so much for that!

    It’s time for our side AND OUR ALLIES to get off of their arses and FIGHT!

    It’s really bizarre that the worlds LARGEST paedophile organization still has any credibility in claiming moral authority on ANYTHING!!

  12. GingerlyColors 6 Nov 2012, 7:12am

    Where does religion come into it in France? France was one of the first countries in the world to disestablish the church from it’s state, which it did in the 1790′s around the same time the country decriminalized gay sex. Secularism is enshrined in the French Constitution and if the country has been able to pass laws banning religious symbolism (wearing of hijabs, Jewish scull-caps and large crucifixes) in schools and full-face veils such as the burqua then I am pretty sure that France can stick two fingers up at the church and legalize marriage equality. The Vatican has no say whatsoever in French politics.

  13. Monsieur Holland had better not give in. France is a democracy and he won the election, in part, for saying that he would give LGBT folk in the country equal marriage and adoption rights.

    Do not go back on that manifesto pledge. If you do, you will show yourself to be a weak leader. Grow some balls and stand up to the Catholic leaders. You must also remember that the Catholic Church is in no position to dictating what is right, considering its own chequered history of violence and child abuse!

  14. Religion poisons everything it touches. The despicable desert death cult and it’s moronic drivel has a lot to answer for in limiting the progress of the human race so that the priest classes can get bloated and abuse their power.

    All of this junk because a paranoid schizophrenic heard voices telling him to kill his son, and a stupid little tart got herself knocked up and lied about it.

  15. Jesus Mohammed 6 Nov 2012, 8:36pm

    Allez, M. Hollande! Soyez courageux!

  16. Gay Activist Paul Mitchell 6 Nov 2012, 11:39pm

    When is the Adoption And Marriage Equality Bill being introduced to France?

    Meanwhile in the United Kingdom NO bill has been introduced yet either!

    Why is it taking so long!

    Why are they dragging their feet kicking and screaming!

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