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Plans for same-sex marriage are ‘foolish’ says Tory MP

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  1. Of course Mr Leigh.

    Equality is so foolish isn’t it.

    Much better to have discrimination.

    “The 62-year-old Catholic”

    Says it all really…………………..

    1. Jesus Mohammed 31 Oct 2012, 1:15pm

      If only most of my neighbours were of the same mind as the people in this thread! But they’re not. They’re of the same mind as Mr. Leigh.

  2. And we are to believe that Gainsborough is solely populated by like minded bigoted fellow Catholics?

    Either his constituency is unrepresentative of the national population or he is a disingenuous liar.

    1. All of the above perhaps?

  3. Surprise, surprise! The man is clearly a bigot, against the introduction of Civil Partnerships, wanted to keep Section 28 and still thinks that CP’s are the same as marriage. Do your research Mr Leigh, you will see that they are not!

    Also, please show this correspondence of which you speak from your constituents. I do not believe that they are that worried about equal marriage. They are more likely to be worried about what you and your ilk are doing to the economy and household incomes.

    Foolish man.

  4. Edward Leigh belongs to yesterday’s Conservative Party. The then institutionally anti-gay party that did so much to deny equality to LGBT people, despite some brave and principled Conservatives who challenged the mainstream view.

    If MPs like Leigh were in a majority, we would never see a Conservative Government again, as the majority of people in this country have no time for discrimination and inequality, particularly younger people.

    The Conservative Party, with its progressive Prime Minister and many progressive young MPs who will not tolerate the state discriminating against a historically persecuted minority, is becoming an increasingly uncomfortable place for the Tory old guard to exist in, and I hope the latter will resign and make way for new MPs in tune with the 21st century.

    1. Sister Mary Clarence 31 Oct 2012, 12:10pm

      Fortunately I think Mr Leigh’s direction of travel withing the party is going to be down rather than up.

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 31 Oct 2012, 1:07pm

      Well, we’ll find out just how progressive the Tory party is if and when it passes equal marriage into law. The one thing to defeat it will be the lack of Tory votes. The majority of Labour and Liberal Democrats are on board, but I don’t think that can be said of the other party. Let’s hope we are pleasantly surprised before 2015.

      1. Jesus Mohammed 31 Oct 2012, 1:13pm

        By Cameron carefully explaining the polls to Dorries, he’s actually advising our opposition on what they need to do to make sure we are not given marriage, i.e. he’s telling them to work on the minds of the people, not the politicians. And there are ways of doing that, if enough people like Dorries put their minds to it.

  5. He probably dislikes anyone who isn’t white, heterosexual and christian. He’s a foolish 62 year old catholic.

    1. You missed out ‘male’. I don’t exactly see him as a supporter of women’s rights either.

  6. “No subject has ever been the cause of greater concern to those in Gainsborough….”

    The folk in Gainsborough should all get a life.

    1. Not unemployment, inflation, or child molestors? Two World Wars and the Great Depression passed them by?
      What an imbecile!

  7. “I am among the foremost opponents of this plan.”

    You must be so proud, Mr Leigh. Going all out to prevent LGBT people having the same right to marry as you.

    I can’t wait for your campaign to ban divorce – after all, marriage has stood the test of time for centuries, right, and we shouldn’t muck around with it.

    Now do let me crawl off under some stone somewhere so I don’t inflict myself on all you special straight people for whom marriage must be reserved.

    Forget the poor and needy, Mr Leigh – make depriving human beings of rights your focus. SO Christian, isn’t it?

    1. Totally agree, what a rabid old fogey.

      His type of ‘Christian’ is all for the smiting and wrath: judging them by their deeds they demonstrate little affinity for ‘peace and love’ and far greater for ‘division and hatred’. His breed is either self delusional if they think their version of ‘Christianity’ lends them any sort of moral high ground, or cynical and devious to pretend that it does so.

      Its some comfort to me that we are hearing from more moderate Christians now who are forcing these idiots further into their dank corner.

  8. Robert (Kettering) 31 Oct 2012, 11:16am

    “Mr. Leigh, a catholic…..” says it all really. Just another nasty bigot!

    1. Cardinal Capone 31 Oct 2012, 11:51am

      No it doesn’t. Most Catholics support equal marriage according to polls. This one is just taking his orders fom the Vatican.

  9. I’d love to know more about this ‘similar but altogether different’ kind of marriage. It sounds quite nice really. Sort of equal. Oh wait, that is rather the whole point, you moron.

  10. Bill (Scotland) 31 Oct 2012, 11:37am

    This 62-year old Catholic opposed:
    - civil partnerships
    - abolition of Section 28
    so no surprise he now oppose same-sex marriage.

    I’m sure if he had been around at the time he would probably have opposed votes for women and the abolition of property qualifications for voting, too.

    He is obviously a clever man, but wants us all to move back to a different time when, in his eyes, no doubt things were better all round. Well, it’s never going to happen and no modern politician with any sense will be swayed by his prejudices.

    1. He’s not that clever as he likes to stand on the wrong side of history.

      1. Bill (Scotland) 31 Oct 2012, 5:04pm

        LOL – well I certainly don’t disagree with the final part of your comment, but it is a mistake, I think, to indulge in fantasies about one’s adversaries. Fools like Leigh can be beaten quite easily if one holds one’s nerve, but by any conventional means of assessment he is obviously not a ‘stupid’ man. Know your enemy, but don’t delude yourself if my motto ;)

  11. Robert in S. Kensington 31 Oct 2012, 11:44am

    This idiot forgets that the state “mucked” around with marriage in the 19th century when it introduced civil marriage for hetero divorced adulterers, circumventing the power of the state cult which thought it owned marriage.

    If heteros were allowed civil partnerships, I wonder if Leigh would opt for one, all things being equal in his twisted mind? I think we all know what his response would be and a lame excuse it would be for not wanting a CP for himself. Now that would really underscrore his hypocrisy and bigotry combined.

    Why doesn’t someone in the Tory party have the courage to take on these idiots and shut them up once and for all and really expose their stupidity.

    1. He would do well to remember that the entire Anglican church was built on “mucking around with marriage” as King Henry wanted a divorce that his Roman cult disallowed.

      1. Midnighter 31 Oct 2012, 1:19pm

        Hah! Amusing point well made, Dave :)

  12. Sarah Brown 31 Oct 2012, 11:46am

    Yet again, someone ignores the Trans Marriage Issue to claim that civil partnerships provide “equal rights”. They do not, and it is disingenuous to pretend that they do.

  13. Cardinal Capone 31 Oct 2012, 11:48am

    I didn’t know it was already Red Nose Day.

  14. Cardinal Capone 31 Oct 2012, 11:53am

    What a shame Barclays is pressuring Stonewall to abolish the Bigot of the Year nominations.

    1. And I just moved my bank account to another bank. Caio Barclays!

  15. Keith Farrell 31 Oct 2012, 12:18pm

    I disagree with this idiot. we dont have equal rights. We are not treated as an equal couple with the same rights. Royal mail will charge you double to forward your mail to a new address just because you cannot use one surname. My spouse cannot use mine because if he does he risks loosing his Philippino passport before he has indefinite leave to remain. I cannot take that chance of him becoming stateless, so we need to fix a lot more than just marrage, we also need to ensure a married couple cannot be split up once they are married/civil partners here. Anyone getting married needs to go through all the correct procdures, but then they need to know their relationship is safe and secure.

  16. Don Harrison 31 Oct 2012, 12:28pm

    We already knew that Edward Leigh is a homopobe

    1. Yes, he has loads of past form as a practising homophobe, Defender of Section 28 which meant Local Authorities were not allowed to “promote the teaching in any maintained-school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship”
      An ardent opponent of civil partnerships he tried and failed to introduce a wrecking amendment there. More recently he opposed the introduction of religious cp’s.
      A classic example of an MP attempting to impose his own personal and Catholic prejudices on everyone through legislation.

  17. Farley Johnson 31 Oct 2012, 12:32pm

    Hasn’t Gainsborough, like Louth in Lincolnshire, got a large BNP following?

    No wonder Edward Leigh’s ‘Conservative’ views and constituents share these far-right views.

    1. Jesus Mohammed 31 Oct 2012, 1:09pm

      Really? My dad was from Louth. No wonder he had such trouble accepting his homosexuality! :-) (It’s true.)

    2. No, it doesn’t. Most of the right-wingers are Conservative voters, while the left is split between Labour and the Lib Dems. I should know as I’m part of the constituency! In the last General Election, the BNP got 3.1% of the vote, the LIb Dems got 27.8% of the vote, Labour got 15.6% of the vote and the bigot here got 49.3% of the vote.

      1. Mike Pennell 31 Oct 2012, 5:52pm

        Andrew, as someone unfortunate enough to be represented by Mr Leigh you are in the perfect position to call him out at his constituency surgery. If you can find a sample of Catholic and/or Tory voters to take along with you so much the better.

    3. Bill (Scotland) 31 Oct 2012, 5:13pm

      BNP is a ‘far left’ party. Most of its supporters are former Labour supporters. I know this upsets a lot of people, but you need to stop peddling misinformation and face facts. Recalcitrant Conseratives tend to opt for UKIP. You need to look at the BNP’s policies and evaluate them objectively, not fall prey to lazy pigeon-holing!

      1. I would disagree with you that the BNP is a ‘far left’ party. As a nationalist party it really falls outside the traditional ‘Left/Right’ political spectrum. It is true that many BNP supporters previously voted Labour but perhaps that was because they didn’t really understand what Labour stands for. The BNP has gained quite a few Tory supporters though these are ‘working-class Tories’ which the Tories used to have in quite large numbers. I am one of them.

    4. I am a nationalist and previous BNP supporter but in answer to your question the BNP has never been strong in the East Midlands. His constituency is a strongly Tory area with little in the way of BNP support. If his constituents support his views then it is likely that they support them because they are ‘true blue’ Tories.

  18. “….who previously opposed civil partnership legislation, and campaigned against the removal of Section 28…”
    So once same-sex civil marriages are allowed, he should shut up? If he is now saying how lovely Civil Partnerships are, calling it a “wise compromise”. And he hasn’t uttered a word about Section 28.
    He must be one of those whingers who just wants to make noise.

  19. Jesus Mohammed 31 Oct 2012, 1:08pm

    Some heterosexuals, like Edward Leigh, really can’t bear the thought of letting go of their “superiority” over us.

    They fear that if they let us get married to, then there will really be nothing to mark us as being second-rate.

  20. “Plans for same-sex marriage are ‘foolish’ says Tory MP”

    Not as foolish as requiring gay people to marry an opposite sex partner as their only choice if they ever want to be married.

    If you had a daughter Mr Leigh, would you prefer I married your daughter rather than marry my same sex male partner?

  21. That There Other David 31 Oct 2012, 1:28pm

    Foolish is keeping something as it is for no reason other than “it has stood the test of time”. By that logic Mr Leigh should call for the entire legal system to be frozen indefinitely as it currently stands.

  22. And just who, then, are these four million bigots/Christians going to vote for? Or will they abstain? Sounds like a win-win to me.

    1. It’s not so hard for a few well organised and determined extremists to get signatures for a misleading anti-equality petition when they have a captive audience in church and school etc. but as you say, where are these claimed 4 million going to put their votes if they shun the Tory party seeing as all the major political parties back marriage equality?

  23. Knowingly engaging in actions that will harm or hurt others is immoral Edward Leigh.
    If you and all those who oppose the introduction of same sex marriage should succeed in your immoral aim then gay men and women who wish to marry will remain obliged to marry opposite sex partners, including the straight sons and daughters of those very same people who oppose same sex marriage.
    Is that what they want? because that is what will continue to happen as it already does now.
    Although there are always the exceptions mostly it’s disastrous for all involved.

  24. This freaking guy is my MP! I have written to him about the issue and he just keeps using the same excuse for his bigotry! I really wish I didn’t have this loud mouth for a freaking MP. I’m incredibly glad that this term is his last. I HATE HIM SO MUCH! As a firm Labour supporter, it really does make me mad that this guy can keep this hate in a near equal society today. He’s more homophobic than Ann Widdecombe! Many people of Gainsborough are NOT like this, he is only there in Westminster because he has been there since 1983!

  25. His face looks a bit pink. Does anybody reckon he like his sauce a tad too much?

  26. “No subject has ever been the cause of greater concern to those in Gainsborough….”
    Thanks for the info. Gainsborough is full of bigots. There’s a surprise.

  27. “No subject has ever been the cause of greater concern to those in Gainsborough who write to me than that of the coalition’s plan to introduce legislation to redefine civil marriage to include same-sex couples.”

    Really? What a weird place it must be.

  28. Coemgenus 1 Nov 2012, 7:22am

    Catholic Tory… and from my personal experience (not THAT personal!), a knob. And, no, Partnerships are not EXACTLY the same as Marriage… there are still financial and pension related disadvantages.

  29. Nobody enjoys a compromise buster!

  30. How about another drink Edward? If you think that the people of Gainsborough should dictate policy for the rest of the country then maybe you’ve had one too many ‘good lunches’.

  31. “I believe that this situation has stood the test of time for centuries, and that it is very foolish to muck about with it.” Words no doubt also said by people in 19th century England when Robert Peel proposed to allow Catholics freedom to worship in England.

  32. Hes an MP its his JOB to change the law and make it more fair to everyone … just like they mucked around with marriage when they introduced the catholic relief act.

  33. Jock S. Trap 7 Nov 2012, 9:54am

    1. If you want a Civil Partnership Mr Leigh have one, though I suspect things would be very different if You were forced to be second class.

    2. What is ‘foolish’ Mr Leigh is that people like you get elected on bigotted attitudes.

    3. How exactly does two men or two women getting married affect you, or your marriage.

    A poor excuse for an MP and clearly one that prefers to go Against the wishes of the majority of the electorate!

  34. I’ve just had this deranged response to my comment on Edward Leigh’s article:

    http://bit.ly/UkVqMm

    My personal highlight being:

    “Sodomite marriage will deprive children of at least one of their parents in every single case.”

    Full article and comments:

    http://www.gainsboroughstandard.co.uk/news/let-s-discuss-railways-and-gay-marriage-1-5063891

    1. My response to the “deranged response”: http://bit.ly/RMjnYJ

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