However, I understand that the government did decide on giving a massive multi-million pound grant to the Terrence Higgins Trust for THT to “tackle HIV”.
So the government cannot be accused of doing nothing.
What I WOULD accuse the government of doing, however, is giving those millions to a gravy train (THT) that is not effectively tackling the spread of HIV.
An HIV specialist nurse whom I know told me recently that she was appalled to find that teenagers in schools knew so little about avoiding HIV and that they had never heard of THT – which they would have if THT had been in their school and making a strong impression on them.
Did NAT not get the memo, I refer http://mediacentre.dh.gov.uk/2012/07/23/8-million-invested-to-tackle-hiv-and-improve-sexual-health/ and http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/FinancialHistory.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=288527&SubsidiaryNumber=0
Without us, there is no them!
You mean the £5m the THT was recently awarded to squander on yet more PC initiatives of the type that have served only to fuel ignorance around HIV among the ill-educated young and keep HIV rates soaring?
How rich of the NAT to, albeit it rightly, criticise the government for its failings when it has nothing to hold its head up about.
What exactly does the NAT stand for?
Whatever has it achieved with the millions in taxpayers money it has absorbed?
It’s done nothing but lap at the heels of its fellow coterie of CHAPs “partners” who collude to follow the same failed PC policies and espouse the same b*llsh*t rhetoric:- that the truth of the horrendous long-term consequences of HIV infection must never be mentioned lest those with the virus are stigmatised.
Never mind that truth would serve as a deterrent to today’s rampantly bare backing youngsters who’ve emerged onto a scene hypersexualised by THT and GMFA’s own endorsement of, and participation in, the now mainstream sleaze scene.
Oops, silly me, thank you K for pointing out that the THT was in fact awarded £8m, not £5m, over 3 years to do sod all to cut HIV rates.
So we can await more HIV campaigns that are mutually interchangeable with campaigns for other, curable STIs (i.e. which don’t register), which use NLP programming techniques that incentivise rather than discourage unsafe sex, and which reinforce to today’s HIV-ignorant youngsters the inevitability of contracting a chronic and life-endangering disease.
It i’s all very well telling youngsters to wear condoms, but if you don’t tell them the reasons WHY then why on earth should they listen for one minute?
But why should THT be forthright and honest about the many pitfalls of HIV infection when it has its more profitable services portfolio to flog to the newly-infected?
Absolutely frigging sickening, and it just amazes me why more people are not shouting out in anger at THT’s indifference, neglect and gross dereliction in duty around HIV prevention.
@ Samuel, THT was awarded £6.8m and £1.13 to FPA, this news item should alos included other parthers and charitiable organisation which too has it objectives of supporting and prevnting HIV in a worlds place, I refer to EJAF, the NAZ project, AFPN……… as examples.
For 2011/12, I refer to http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201012/ldselect/ldaids/188/18807.htm, How this this resource spent?
Thanks for your time sent researching these links, K.
Much appreciated! :)
Could quote them of the back of my hand!
I’ve always been fascinated and intrigued by a lot of the information – much of it damning of the HIV sector – that you have presented and which concurs with what I have read elsewhere.
However I would be fascinated to hear your actual take on the way statutory funding is apportioned and how the likes of THT, NAT et al actually spend it.
And do you think THT has the right to cry poverty and downscale its services at a time when the government is making cutbacks when it is sitting on its own vast cash reserves accumulated via donations and various fund-raising events over the years?
Shouldn’t it be putting these reserves to good use now, regardless of any restrictions supposedly imposed?
For heaven’s sake, how can a charity be allowed only restricted access to said funds that are needed here and now, as has been claimed?
Surely a charity cannot be allowed to speculate and accumulate on money we all donated one way or another when they are simultaneously crying poverty?!!
My response would be to refer to HM Government allocation of the ASG and Supporting People through the Area Base Grant, in real cash terms HM Government allucated a 23% and 18% real cash increase though the downside if the rate of infection increases by 7%pa there would be a net reduction spent per person.
I refer to http://www.nat.org.uk/media/Files/Policy/2012/HIVSocialCareReport2012forweb.pdf to support HMG allocation. (http://www.local.odpm.gov.uk/finance/brr/sumcon/s2chapter7.pdf) the ASG is resourced more for Women/Child ratio and adult.
On a positive note, NAT did resurface it review of the forthcoming spend but didn’t include around £3million which is also allocated to LA for capitial project.
The DoH also pays around £1.8million on vacinne research, i refer http://www.rae.ac.uk/submissions/ra5a.aspx?id=7&type=uoa&subid=3529 and http://www.rae.ac.uk/Submissions/ra5a.aspx?id=171&type=hei&subid=3395
Correct £1.3million per year.
To further answer your question will be made through the publication of THT and others accounts.
When the analysis of the the ASG for London was completed for 2010/11 or 2011/12 there was a around £1.2million underspend by local authroities, so they question of cry wolf should be targeted by THT to the LA concerned who hold the allocation and spend. Will the full amount be spent from the forthcoming allocations, this is somehing again THT and others need to question.
Indeed, those of us who are genuinely interested know these facts or go & find them through FOI requests, reading annual accounts & actually getting involved……………………Samuel is far too lazy & uninterested in finding out these things for himself.
To be fair, perhaps he does not have the intelligence to read a set of consolidated accounts, God knows I’ve tried over 2 years to at least provide him with some grasp on how charities are funded. Alas he is so blinkered & holds onto every word stated on Life or Meth website that he still fails to understand how Statutory income is awarded & spent, even tho it is clear to see in all the HIV charity accounts I have looked at.
I knew an HIV-related forum absent of W6 was too good to last.
Still no support for the clients of aids charity ukc abandoned in their collapse – when will they get support ? ? ?
You have a Conservative Government…..The consistent Tory motto…..”Cut Funding!” That’s short and snappy! The longer version reads…
“We aim to please our fat cat shareholder/supporters by cutting funding to all those that really need it…..who cares? They will die soon anyway!!!”
Yes, Alan, but as Eddy above implies, the fat cats are also on the inside working hand-in-hand with the government to their guidelines and dictates.
Despite the many millions the THT sits on accumulated from three decades of donations and fund-raising activities, it has allowed itself to become dependent on interfering outsiders who have dangled extra funding in return for THT agreeing to follow orders:- and THT has accepted this funding gladly while squirrelling its genuine (i.e. self-raised) funding away into prime central London properties for a rainy day that will forever be on the horizon (i.e. never)…
THAT, my friend, is the true definition of fat cat careerists riding the gravy train at every one else’s expense!
Do you really think £6million of assets is “many millions” in the grand scheme if things – this figure has been agreed by the Trustees of THat & equates to about 4 months operation of the charity should all funding be removed.
You always attack Nick Partridge but never ever mention the charity Trustees who’s job it is to hold the Executive to account…….
Theres been nothing in the gay run hiv media about thts legsl advisor destroying crusaids compromise agreement from 2004 are we having the news we hear n read censored by the hiv media ? ? ?
Well done to all.involved in announcing the 2012 hero awardson discusdion forum about tht helpline losing funding proper awards atlast mame sure you all.vote
Look out, folks, any minute now THT’s own W6 will come tearing in, mouth foaming, to zap us all with three red arrows apiece (dunno how he does it but he does!) while blustering and evading the serious issues raised, I guarantee it!
Sorry to disappoint Samuel, but this thread has been hijacked by SPAM, & to be frank you & other commentators have completely missed the point, instead preferring to launch the predictable attack on THT.
Perhaps when your Local Authority has decided to employ the likes of Serco / Virgin Healthcare to undertake Sexual Health / HIV prevention services, you may wish you had read what NAT is actually saying. The Right Wing agenda here is to prop up this shambolic Gov’t & allow them to get away with not providing the leadership that is needed if HIV / STI rates are to be reduced in England
You talk about £6million as if it were a huge sum of money – this has been awarded over 3 years, to fund England wide campaigns – can none of you see this is peanuts in comparison to the amount it costs in treating HIV? This is one reason why the Gov’t needs to have a joined up approach to HIV / Sexual Health. Let Serco take over I say, no one seems interested in HIV & their Sexual Health these days
When HIV prevention, care & treatment have been fragmented & GUM / HIV clinics in hospitals will close because the funds have been diverted to private contractors we will then see the outcry from those who have totally missed the point that the likes of NAT, the British HIV Association & the British Association of Sexual Health & HIV are making.
It really is laughable when those who are often the first to shout loud about freedom of speech & freedom of thought are the very ones who in this & other threads have totally prevented good debate occurring because of their own selfish agenda.
Pink Paper online recently closed, the same will happen to PN if they do not start moderating these pages to prevent the level of SPAM / hatred we constantly see. There are many fine contributors that do not post here anymore & the level of debate has fallen because of this. Shame on those who seek to prevent good folk entering important debates. You makes your bed………………..
I think you’ll find, W6, that PN is in a very healthy state and not subject to the same forces that resulted in PP’s closure.
What do you mean by “Shame on those who seek to prevent good folk entering important debates. You makes your bed…”
More idle threats?
People are free to air whatever comments they like on here:- there aren’t gangs lying in wait to scare them off.
The fact is you are an increasingly isolated voice as the shift in consciousness towards truth is isolating your tired arguments by the day as more and more commentators see what is really happening.
At least you’ve had the decency to finally admit to being an insider and therefore have declared your interest in your unswerving loyalty and allegiance to the THT.
But it IS the views of those of us NOT tied in any way to THT that matter.
And when our community fully awakens to the wilful malpractice and misguided policies that have resulted in endemic HIV rates, you’d better batten the hatches at Grays Inn Rd HQ.
“People are free to air whatever comments they like on here:- there aren’t gangs lying in wait to scare them off” – well how odd is that because you often cry foul that I have henchmen waiting to ambush you Samuel, maybe there is some delusion going on in your head???
@W6 on the issue of HIV care and Treatment is the current system already fragemnted by organisation/funding routes of who can access support from which funding is provided, a postcode lottery. Once BHIVA report is issued on http://www.bhiva.org/standards-of-care-2012.aspx I hope this will be enacted once/if the NCB takes over, the NHS has it equility also to fulfil through the Equiility Act, Age Discrimination legalistaion, Social Care law…… to which the NHS, LA and third party orgainisations duty lays through its support and servicing the needs of those affected by HIV/AIDS in the UK
Given we are 25 years on lving with HIV/AIDS through understanding the virus, the complex of treatment issues etc, set again a new boundary for involvment and support living with the virus in many ways, this maybe through housing, social care, indepedant living…….. somethinh which is not just affecting the HIV/AIDS community but the whole UK with an ageing population.
(the NHS has its) Duty not Equility meant.
I agree that Social care in particular is very fragmented as it stands often because of funding streams – which I think will only get worst. I had hoped to go to the BHIVA meeting on Tues but I was not able to get there on time. I could quote many examples the fragmented approach many people face not just within the HIV sector; also in mental health, & I am very sure it happens with other long term conditions.
I recently came across an individual who had been given Septrin by his clinic & asked that the GP continue prescribing until such times the thread of PCP was over. The GP refused to prescribe Septrin & the clinic & GP ping pong for 8 weeks, during which time the person had no antibiotic cover -madness! The cost pressures between services & funding streams makes it very difficult to navigate the system – & it will only get worst I believe; something that NAT has highlighted but numbskulls like Samuel B can’t see beyond his nose!
In some respects National Commissioning of HIV Care & Treatment may be a good thing – hopefully it will drive up standards of care & also make the cost of treatment cheaper via volume purchasing. But even then can be be guaranteed that we do not end up in a situation where BHIVA are saying x,y,x, drugs are the best for first line treatment & the commissioners say well you can have a,b,c drugs because they are cheaper (we have this at the moment in London where Truvada is the preferred NRTI backbone, but many London Clinics are prescribing Kivexa because of the purchasing deals that have been done -again these are things that many commentators here do not understand & some do not want to understand because of their own very fixed views on HIV treatment & care.
Local Authorities at the moment do not always spend allocated funding for HIV services & my worry is prevention when handed over to them will become a post code lottery!
From my experince Social Services operates through the Fair Access to Care Services (FACS) which has levels of Critical to Low, most LA have raised the bar to Critical and will depend on your LA.
As to the person with PCP doe this then support the claim of starting ARV’s when the CD4 is around 350? I feel that the precribing clinic of Septrin has it responsbaility through continuning care until the GP is able to prescribe, in the event this person was hospitialize would have cost £2,500 instead of a £7.65 perscription?
Re: National Commissiong, http://www.forum-link.org/ does’t freely make available information online yet.
What ever the guideline suggested, this could be all thrown out of the window, if the patient is unable to tolerate the treatment. On average HIV treatments costs around £8,500 per annum. (this include ARV, inpatitent care, other disgnostic tests and other treatments).
It will be for people to engage with LA also, if this is to work, if it is at all?
What does nat think about crusaid emailing thr hiv return to work staff ” pain n suffering to alot of people get anothr job ” ? ? ? ? Speak up nat
Nat not critcising their pals that lost £150,000 of people living with aids money then covered it up.for two years ? Speak up nat its.not just about money couldnt volunteers run nat ? ??
Wot about the £900,000 they spent iondon encouraging people living with hiv of their benefits back to work only to make them redundant and reclaim their benefits not allowed a.voice in hiv.media – speak.up nat speak up lol :-O
Wot about crusaid staff fleeing charity after gaymen werr forced to have their aids diagnosis and blood tests in thrir staff appraisals – speak up nat we cant hear you lol its a scandal its a gay scandal
Wot about all the people living with hiv aids whose data ended up all over london OMG all hushed up denied a voice speak.up nat we cant hear you :-C
As always, the deviant brigade are apt to blame others for the consequences of their disgusting lifestyle choices which cause them to die horribly.
Take responsibility for yourselves or better still, get some morals!
Isn’t it about time you stepped out of the closet fully and embraced your sexuality full on before it’s too late for you to enjoy a big fat one up the jacksee?
Self-denial only leads to a curtailed life of misery, bitterness and hatred because all that negativity eventually manifests physically as disease.
By that reckoning we won’t be seeing you around these parts too much longer…
Thanks for the critique.
Bad day at the clinic?
What a truly pitiful specimen.
You have my every sympathy and I hope one day you will find the inner peace you so clearly crave.
Oh FECK off will you.
And the aids charity merry go round goes.on with the aids chariy workers gettin rich for life
And the band played on…we need more money the aids charity workers squealed
Also give credit were its due to PN for it stories and comments allowed! What untold has this brought to highlight and inform in a wider place.
PN is doing a very good job of keeping us informed these days!
Must be a new administration in place.
I note W6 just cannot keep his fingers off those red arrows!
Presumably THT HQ’s IT system is served by three different networks, thus enabling him to override PN’s “tamper-proof” set-up…
Do you not realise how paranoid & deluded the above remarks make you sound Samuel. When you looked in the mirror today are you sure it was your own reflection you saw? Seems to me you see conspiracy everywhere………….as I have said before you must even be suspicious of your own shadow! I think your head is playing games with you.
Has it never ever occurred to you that perhaps other people just don’t like your comments? Perhaps you are deluded that you are the spokesperson for all PN readers & gay men……………you often say I am the isolated voice on PN – I think you are very much mistaken. That said we should acknowledge that many of PN readers do have rather Right Wing views, so I guess I am in a minority! What was the term Samuel you use – oh yes PC indoctrinated zealots! As I say perhaps what you see in the mirror is not quite as you perceive it to be!
Poor w6 bloke still.upset.by spam still hrs the only.onr claiming spam.lol.try.changing the word spam for.upfront and honest luvvy.aww.shucks.has the sordid.truth come out with the past debated – bad.luck despite yr efforts aw schucks tht legal advisor had to destroy.crusaids gagging.agreement.with.me but i.can keep.the thousands charity money.paid.to me in 2004 keep up the good work everyone x x x
Is w6 bloke not speaking up or supporting the people living with hiv abandoned in ukcs collapse STILL ABANDONED goon show us u care the multi million pound charity sector came up wiv a rescue package for the dodgy charity but nuffin for the hiv clients u gotta laugh we care do u they squeal giv us yr money oh la la – its a joke
I don’t think he’s exactly missed around these parts, Caped Crusader, so don’t chance fate by mentioning ‘that’ postcode monicker!!!! :)
Please excuse my ignorance but i am mystified as to why H.I.V. rates should be rising because i had presumed that everyone would have been aware (as common knowledge) of the importance of wearing condoms. That the Gay community educated itself regarding this not least because of its serious nature. Is the increase being seen in younger gays only, as many of the comments here suggest that the quality of health education has deteriorated more recently ?
Where have you been hiding, Graham?
HIV rates rose throughout the 1980s and only began to fall in the 1990s when hard-hitting prevention campaigns were the order of the day.
They were at their lowest level around the time that HAARP was introduced, 1995/6, at which point the HIV sector, aided and abetted by the pharmaceutical industry, laudably began focusing its efforts on treating those infected, but at the same time catastrophically watered-down its HIV prevention campaigns.
As campaigns lessened in impact and no longer served as a deterrent, HIV rates since 1996 have almost consistently been rising year in year out to today’s levels of epidemic infection.
And now of course we have the mass rallying call to testing, so that the likes of THT can provide the solutions (services and treatments) to the problem (lack of HIV awareness) that IT created!
Elephant in the room, anyone?
As predictable as ever, W6.
Why not just change your moniker to “Threeredarrows” and be done with it?
This is exactly the kind of deceitful, dishonest behaviour that does your organisation no favours, W6, but good that I am now far from being alone in seeing it for what it is.
Thank you Samuel for the information – Because we hear so little about H.I.V generally in the news now and we are aware that there has been great strides in terms of treatment unless you have a direct interest i suppose you remain largely ignorant of the true position and presume that things are improving. I wonder if a hard hitting campaign would have the same impact now as it did back then ? It seems harsh to criticise T.H.T when they are providing vital treatments ,I presume they have a limited budget and have to make a strategic decision on how best to spend the money. That is a judgement which is obviously criticised on this site. If the education / awareness programmes did not have the same effect as before no doubt they would be criticised for not supplying adequate treatments/ saving lives. Perhaps another body needs to attract funds to focus more on the health education side. How many of those infected are unaware beforehand of the risks ?
Samuel B consistently wages a smear campaign against THT, NAT, GMFA & any charity that is involved with HIV. His view is that all Government funding should be removed from these organisations & that said charities should operate based on public donations alone. What he never explains is who should provide HIV services? My guess is that he would really like more companies like Serco & Virgin Health to be involved & for them to take over from charities well known & established charities.
Of course any private company will make bids for the easiest lowest hanging fruit as they have done with the THT Direct service – Samuel says he is passionate about HIV prevention, but it would be a very brave company that would get it’s hands dirty in this complex area, where behavioural outcomes are very difficult to audit & track.
We are seeing the fragmentation of HIV services in the new NHS arrangements. HIV care & treatment to be commissioned Nationally & HIV prevention to be devolved to groups of Local Authorities – this is a car crash waiting to happen, with more money wasted on duplication & bureaucracy. For HIV charities to go down the same route will result in exactly the same fragmentation & confusion as we will see in the NHS.
There will undoubtedly be many more HIV charity casualties because there is too much duplication & not enough emphasis on a strategic approach to HIV / Sexual Health – this is what NAT are calling for but it seems no one who has commentated so far has considered. The devil as they say is in the detail!
Serco are now running a National Sexual Health help line; does anyone know the number? Has anyone seen adverts to signpost users to the service? Be careful what you wish for is all I would say, solving the HIV problem is not just about hard hitting campaigns in gay magazines.
@W6, I found http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Talkingaboutsex/Pages/Ineedhelpnow.aspx , http://www.maketherightdecision.co.uk/html/helpline.htm and http://www.avert.org/aids-help-uk.htm for interest and use.
“What he never explains is who should provide HIV services?”
That’s a most disingenuous statement, W6.
I’ve never actually claimed that THT should not continue providing support services and advice to HIV clients.
Only that it should surrender its monopoly on the HIV prevention budget to an independent organisation whose only remit is to focus entirely on preventing HIV’s spread.
I’ve explained my reasons for this many times but as usual you twist my words so that you can accuse me of wishing for the incoming set up by which faceless corporations are awarded HIV services contracts.
Perhaps had THT not been so greedy and monopolistic by nature and focused exclusively on services then we would not be in the situation we’re in today when the government can rightly claim that it is juggling too many plates and making a hash of things.
The thought of even greedier enterprises taking over THT’s work is one that fills me with abject horror, but look closer to home for someone to blame!
…and I daresay THT chief exec Nick Partridge will be destined for a plumb directorship at one of these faceless corporate contractors when the Trust is unable to maintain him in the comfort and luxury he has come accustomed to during the past 20 years…
If you are not careful Samuel, you are the one who is going to have to downgrade from your current position of doing the Tories’ dirty work. Perhaps you can fathom something worse than that, can’t you? Use your imagination.
Your arguments are often full of rhetoric Samuel so I use the same tactics. Let us be in no doubt that relish the idea of THT loosing all the funding for HIV prevention – I wonder how much you think that funding amounts to? You think oh THT get over £20million a year to spend on prevention; the figure is nearer £5.8 million, which includes approx £1million of restricted funds. Out of this figure prevention programmes must be provided Nationally & cover all at risk groups inc general prevention aimed at the total population
We know that you think HIV only is a problem for gay men, so lets assume gay men get 50% of the statuary prevention funding, this amounts to a piddling £2.4million of unrestricted & 500k of restricted funding (which was the grant provided by the DoH for THT Direct)
You tell me what organisation is really going to take on the onerous task of providing prevention services for gay men up & down the country particualraly as outcomes are so difficult to capture & audit
Thank goodness Samuel B is not in a position to influence those who make decisions relating to HIV / Sexual Health, but there again he really is not that interested – he knows very little about the subject matter (he thinks AZT is still widely used to treat HIV), he refuses to get involved (why should HE make change happen) you certainly will not find him making a donation of time or money to HIV (he is far too busy working 6 days a week making £ for his retail bosses)
He & his ilk will be the first to start bleating (why are PN not reporting this I hear him shout!) when in the future he goes for a sexual health check only to find that it has been taken over by Tesco or Asda. They can do the tests & give him results he will have to go to an NHS facility should he need treating! If he needs a to talk to anyone about HIV, perhaps a condom breaks he will first call Serco who will then direct him to THT Direct who are the very people he loathes! Good luck I say if that is his vision!
Of course you’re spot-on, Graham, with your observation that another body needs to focus solely on the health education side.
THT is a bureaucracy and one driven by its monopoly in providing advice and services to its HIV-positive clients.
It is cruelly ironic that under this scenario it’s actually dependent on an unending stream of newly-diagnosed people contacting it for support and services.
It’s doubly cruelly ironic and, frankly, preposterous, that it’s also tasked with preventing the spread of the very virus upon which it has grown rich and ensured a luxury lifestyle and OBE for its chief exec.
Which explains exactly why it’s helped fuel HIV rates with “prevention” initiatives that have constantly failed, and equally why it is now urging all gay men to test so that it can now provide services to the very people it has wilfully failed.
But then, with revolving doors into a government rank with corruption and rife with pharmaceutical lobbyists…
Catch my drift, Graham?
So given that the amount of money available for HIV prevention for gay men is about £2.5 million how would you like to see that spent Samuel? Lets see…………..your view of prevention is very simple frighten then to death with ads in all the gay magazines slogans such as:
“If you don’t use a condom you will die of AIDS”
“HIV takes at least 10 yrs off your life”
“You have to take a cocktail of toxic chemotherpy like drugs”
“The side effects of drugs are horrific”
“Your bones become brittle & your kidneys fail”
“You will be shunned by other gay men because of your +ve Status”
“You will be dependent on benefits because you will not be able to work”………….I could go on & on but these are the slogans YOU want to see in the gay press, because you think this is what prevention is about …….TOTALLY WRONG!
So for the rest of the £2million we need to build a website, employ staff, train staff, set up premises throughout the UK, set up infra structure & IT services, engage with other service providers, provide clinical testing & outreach services….do you really think £2million a year will cover the cost of all that?
Of course a company like Virgin Healthcare or Serco, or even Asda / Tesco might be interested in this sort of buisness, but they would want a slice of the bread & butter which is long term condition management statuary funding & the clinical testing services. In this current funding climate no other charity is going to take on just the HIV prevention job because it is too risky as a stand alone function because it involves duplication of resources!
For all the grief THT gets for its prevention strategies giving up about £3million is not the end of the world. I wonder why Status never put a bid in for the latest 3 year contact awarded to THT? Not lucrative enough me thinks!
For a retail manager Samuel you seem very naive when it comes to finance……………….if I were you I would be lobbying your local MP & Councillors about HIV prevention funding for gay men, because come next year town halls up & down England will be holding the purse strings for many of these prevention initiatives. Perhaps some will buy in services from the likes of THT, GMFA, George House Trust etc or maybe they will buy in from Serco, Virgin or even you Samuel,but you best be quick because I can imagine there is a queue of charities & companies just waiting to lap up all these lucrative deals! Successive Gov’s have imposed market conditions on “the 3rd sector charities” & this will get worst under the new NHS structures – wake up smell the coffee as you would say!
Some LA’s will only purchase what they to perceive to be adequate, I can’t see Tory Town Halls being generous – then what will you be saying I wonder? As I say be careful what you wish for!
But still no rescue package for the people libing eith hiv aids abandoned in ukcs collapse denied a voice in hiv mafia oops i mean media the we care do u staff ran put when the money ran out – fancy kerching :-O people denied a voice for years in hiv media instructed not to talk about the past incase any.more corruption comes to light – wait theres more to come the juicy bits saved till last…watch this space coming soon the hiv rich list …starring gay men from london
1. U vil not ask whr de ukc 75k rescue package for ukc went
2. U vil not hav a voice in hiv media or talk about de past.or vot went wrong
3 u all must know nothing abt crusaids gagging agreement destroyed this yr by tht
4 do not ask questions or ven u will get support after being abandoned – remember ve care do u ?
Just out of interest perhaps someone cld explain to us all;
Why after offering my resignation to the Chief Inspector of the police after being sent the multiple medical data of a police panel member im sitting opposite by crusaid am
A~being offered aids charity money to keep quiet and threatened with a High Court Injunction without hesitation [long closed] all of a sudden ~ is this legal ?
People Living with HIV criticise the London AIDS Charity sectors HIV Stratedgy after being “ABANDONED” IN Aids Charity UKCS collapse and denied a voice for years UKCS slogo was “we care do you” but when the money ran out so did the paid staff abandoning their clients some taking part in a £900,000 Ensured Positive Future Programme.
What a Multi Million Pound Shambles
£900,000 spent encouraging people of their benefits only to make them regain them after redundancy
Bernard Forbes [mailto:email@example.com]
>Sent: Tue 2005/03/29 03:48 PM
>To: Robin Brady CRUSAID
>Subject: FW: Further favour>
>Further to below, I am told a letter regarding Walk for Life was received by>xxxxxxxon 23 March.>
>Mailshots to xxxx are a waste of Crusaid’s time and money, all they do is>wind him up and he then gets on to me.>
>His walker ID is 19882, if that helps to get him off your lists altogether,
>while we try to help him get his life back together and move on.>
You can read all the AIDS Charity Scandals and actual e-mails on Baselines website;
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:12:56 +0000
To: xxxxxxxxxxcrusaid.org.uk; xxxxxxcrusaid.org.uk; hotmail.com
I want to see the two of you in the meeting room tomorrow at 10 am. No excuses. I sincerely hope that this email conversation has not been widely distributed.
Crusaid write to ex staff paid off to keep quiet for the money back via donations ! ! !You couldnt make this up !!
To: xxxxxxxxhotmail.com; Angus.Hamilton@btinternet.com
CC: AElliot@ukcoalition.org; firstname.lastname@example.org; email@example.com; AKeightley@ukcoalition.org
Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:52:53 +0100
I have written to you today. We discussed this matter…. An error occurred. I dealt with it swiftly. … you are going on the walk….which is MARVELLOUS!
UKC Instructs Crusaid helping HIV redundant staff in 2005 all hushed up refused a voice….
Bernard Forbes [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
>Sent: Tue 2005/03/29 03:48 PM
>To: Robin Brady
>Subject: FW: Further favour>
>Further to below, I am told a letter regarding Walk for Life was received by
>xxxxxxxon 23 March.
>Mailshots to xxxx are a waste of Crusaid’s time and money, all they do is
>wind him up and he then gets on to me.
>His walker ID is 19882, if that helps to get him off your lists altogether,
>while we try to help him get his life back together and move on.
THT Destroys Gagging Order from Crusaid after merger as FALSE DATA HELD
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:23:37 +0000
Subject: RE: Fao Amanda Bearman THT Legal Advisor – Data Request for Data Being Destroyed by THT
Dear Mr xxxxxx,
I’m afraid I am unable to assist with your request as I did not consider the documents, did not keep a list and they are all now destroyed.
Crusaids Gagging Order…
CRUSAID PAYS HIV POLICE PANEL MEMBER AND STAFF
COMPENSATION FOR LOSS OF EMPLOYMENT
After Registered Charity Crusaid declaring on the Registered Charity UK Coalition of People Living with HIV/Aids Charity funded website Positive Nation’s Positive Voices “we’ve been upfront and honest” a few months after signing a Compromise Agreement which prevents to Charity from being upfront and honestDated 23rd July 2004 signed by Robin Brady CEO of Crusaid
“The Charity on its own behalf and on behalf of all Associaciated Companies shall without any admission or liability whatsoever, as compensation for loss of employment,pay to the Employee the sum of £_________ inclusive of his statutory redundancy payment…”
4. Settlement and Waiver
The Employee believes he may have statutory claims and therefore could bring proceedings, against the Charity or any Associated Company,or its or their Trustees,employees or officerrs or former trustees employees or officers for:-
AIDS CHARITY QUICKLY WITHDRAWS HIGH COURT INJUNCTION EMAIL ! ! !
Subject: RE: Crusaid – Letter from Crusaid March 2007 sent to me in error
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:56:34 +0100
I have contacted Crusaid. They do not know why your name is still on the circulation list for Walk for Life.It should have been removed . I have requested the same forthwith. I would imagine the list is separate to the main contact list. Apologies this was not done before. However as you know this is a circular – altho’ you should not receive it.
I note you will be walking which is marvellous. It shows that the email re the walk this year cannot have caused the offence etc as you say. No money is wasted on an email mail out. I may see you on the walk as I intend to continue to raise money for those poverty stricken by this dreadful illness. My passion in that regard has not changed .
I will not be responding any further. Your continued reference to the injun
Met Police Excercise Discretion….
You write in your e-mail asking
if any Panel Members have any concerns if my colleagues were to write to the Evening Standard thanking the Panel for their support and the MET for exercising their discretion twice in not arresting a disabled resident, once for four months after I offered my resignation after a Aids Charity sent me medical data belonging to another Panel Member and again when a Aids Charity e-mailed me their client data base.
There are two issues regarding this statement. Firstly the fact that you had a database on your hard drive was not brought to the attention of the Group, although some of the individual members may have been aware of this fact.
Crusaid Trustees claim its “Marvellous” Police Panel Member threatened with HIGH COURT INJUNCTION attend events
Subject: RE: FAO L GILMORE – INVITATION – Crusaids E-mail
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:52:53 +0100
I have written to you today. We discussed this matter and you confirmed on the telephone and in writing that this has not caused any stress. An error occurred. I dealt with it swiftly. We agreed that was the end of it.
I respectfully suggest it is time to move on.The circular letter is not offensive and indeed you are going on the walk….which is MARVELLOUS!
I decline your invitation.
You need help………………
Pink News – Do we really have to put up with this SPAM, it makes the pages confusing & does not even relate to the story – please sort it out!
I see Baseline have also had a SPAM attack by an idiot known as Alan Strong…….exact same SPAM as on here. Get a life you fool!
Well done act up london for being honest and truthful with people living with hiv/aids in the uk and baseline mag allowing the truth to come out act up london the real hero’s
I am very sure that baseline will take this crap down tomorrow!
Well done.the truth atlast congrats all at act up
Congratulstions pinknews baseline mag and Act up London for being transparent and honest with people living with hiv/aids in the uk
A Knighthood.for Act Up London the emails from ukc prove they denied people a Voice in the charity funded mag pos nation staff claim was full of secrets n lies
The truth will always out
Well done to baseline for keeping the truth and emails up for over a year poor w6 bloke so out of touch all the scandals comin out – run to mummy bless
Thrs a gentlemen been goin around turnin the aids sector upside down act up london ..he was a police panel member whose been away now hes back no ones safe act up.london hes been tellin the truth for the last seven years denied a voice now therevall.ears act up london
Working for a Honest hiv sector
OMG ive just read the actual emails from Crusaid.on the baseline link and the tiny amount raised that actually went to people with hiv why an earth didnt people speak up ? ? ? its outrageous all these cover ups ! ! ! for so.long aswell there shouls be a inquiry .
of interest then https://www.duedil.com/company/06315172/make-a-difference-enterprises-limited and http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithoutPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1124014&SubsidiaryNumber=0
staff at ukcs charity funded mag claim ukc management received £10-15,000 pay rises after losing £150,000 on the hero awards which was covered up.until thecolapse.of the charity.maybe now they will do the decent thing and repay this money to the hardship.fund their motto was “we care do you” to get people to donate !
WOW I just read this
You can read all the AIDS Charity Scandals and actual e-mails on Baselines website;
It sure is the best thing Ive ever read lately….take a look tell me what you think – Its the best thing Ive EVER read