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  1. Would the channel have shown the same kiss between two people of the opposite sex at that time?

    1. I bet they frequently do yes. They cannot censor real life though so there was no point in them censoring it on tv.

      1. Just as a side thought – I think he’s cute. He has lovely eyes.

    2. Its impossible to show most imported films or series without showing heterosexual kisses.

  2. ...Paddyswurds 16 Oct 2012, 9:39pm

    Given that Homosexuality used to be euphemistically called “the Greek condition” it is a bit rich that the Greeks are now so utterly backward and homophobic about it.
    It is no wonder their country is going down the toilet….

    1. Spanner1960 17 Oct 2012, 12:40am

      I was just thinking the same thing.

    2. But that refers to the Greeks of the pre-Christian and pre-Islamic era.

      1. And also, in Paddyswurds usual misogynist style, ignores that Sappho of Lesbos was Greek.

        1. ...Paddyswurds 17 Oct 2012, 5:37pm

          ……..”Sappho of Lesbos” is totally mythical. i was dealing with reality, but then that is something that evades you and your ilk…..

          1. She wasn’t either. Keep on digging until the walls cave in on you, please.

          2. ...Paddyswurds 17 Oct 2012, 7:58pm

            ……that she was Gay is definitely mythical. She had children and many scholars discount the idea that she was Gay based, on the fragments of her poetry that remain and the fact that she had a daughter and perhaps two sons… just because the fragments of poetry that exist are attributed to her does not necessarily mean they are actually her work or indeed that she may have been a lesbian.. As is the case with a lot of modern women she may have been only notionally gay and as is still the case couldn’t decide whether she was Arthur or Martha.
            In any case the fact i did not mention Lesbians is neither here or there as i merely said “homosexuality” which can refer to either gender…. Now phuc off and troll somewhere else…

          3. So she wasn’t “totally mythical” then after all?

      2. ...Paddyswurds 17 Oct 2012, 8:11pm


        1. And you might have noticed that 2000 years of Christian indoctrination and some 1500 years of Islam have, in general, not had a particularly positive effect on homosexuality, in Greece as much as anywhere else? The mores of the Athenian elite and equestrian classes 2500 years ago can hardly be said to be particularly relevant to modern-day Greeks.

  3. The Greek people have other things to worry about. Typical the gays from the well off countries are bitching as usual. At least most of you can put food on the table unlike the Greeks at the moment. Leave them alone.

    1. So financial struggles excuse bigotry? If the Greek people have other things to worry about, why should they be bothering with censorship? Surely there are more important things to worry about?

      Perhaps you could also tell us what ‘gays’ in Greece feel about this censorship too? I imagine it would be quite interesting to know.

    2. ...Paddyswurds 16 Oct 2012, 11:06pm

      The Greek people are in financial penury because of their own refusal to pay their taxes. That is an undisputed fact and is a problem from the top right down to ordinary workers. The black market has been the way things are done in Greece for the last 60 years or so and is no ones fault but their own. They even produced false accounts in order to get into the EU and may still be the death of the EU and the Euro project…..

      1. Spanner1960 17 Oct 2012, 12:40am

        …with any luck.

        1. ...Paddyswurds 17 Oct 2012, 8:06pm

          I tend to agree with you there Spanner. The whole Franco/Germano united Europe has proved to be a bit of a disaster and it is time for the countries involved to reassert their sovereignty. The Germans and to some extent the French ( Vichy) failed to make Europe one in the forties and it looks like their modern attempt is also doomed to failure…..

          1. Spanner1960 18 Oct 2012, 9:52am

            There is an old saying those who do not know history’s mistakes are doomed to repeat them.

            Precisely the same thing happened around 150 years ago and resulted in Europeans attacking each other resulting in the first great war. The EU is being run by bureaucrats and idiots whilst they feed us disinformation and propaganda, and it will not be if, but when the entire edifice comes crashing down, it will be the little people that suffer, as always.

    3. Paul Essex/London 16 Oct 2012, 11:50pm

      Yes funny how when they have so many things to worry about, that they can still afford to cut a scene out of a programme for which they have already paid the viewing rights for.

    4. That There Other David 16 Oct 2012, 11:51pm

      If you RTFA you’ll see that the LGBTs and their supporters from Greece also find this “won’t somebody think of the children??!?!” nonsense equally despicable.

      And do you honestly think LGBT people in Greece are all living it up in the their mansions right now whilst everyone else suffers? Or don’t they count as real people in your book?

    5. If Greeks paid their taxes like the rest of us in Europe, they would not be in the state they are in now! That, among many other things that have ruined the country.

    6. “The Greek people have other things to worry about. Typical the gays from the well off countries are bitching as usual. At least most of you can put food on the table unlike the Greeks at the moment. Leave them alone.”

      Ahm, the people complaining the loudest are the people of Greece who abhor censorship and exclusion. Your “argument” is totally without merit.

  4. I thought the Greeks were a bit more grown up than that!

    Oh well.

    Who said we were doing anything to harm the Greeks? if they have the time to worry about a gay kiss rather than deal with more pressing issues they have, what do you suggest the LGBT community does to help them, directly? Should I send the 220 or so euros I have left over from a foreign holiday to some random Greek family?

    1. ...Paddyswurds 16 Oct 2012, 11:08pm

      Don’t heed simon, a spit and run troll who has no idea of what he speaks….


    This says everything, and it’s somehow completely relevant.

    1. So true! society tries to protect children from what they think is going to be impressionable! but in reality it is the children that can teach their parents and peers that their open acceptance of situations makes for less prejudices.

      Like the your message I find this video shows acceptance and gives hope!

  6. We in the UK are so far ahead in this respect-for only tonight in the prime-time soap Eastenders we saw 2 male characters getting married and exchanging a kiss at the wedding and reception. It was 7.45pm.

    1. Spanner1960 17 Oct 2012, 12:43am

      I never watch the program but i happened to catch it tonight.
      Blimey, talk about milk a scene.
      I thought the most offensive factor was watching two grown men blubbing like a pair of girlies before the watershed.

      1. Must be tough being so self-loathing.

        1. Spanner1960 18 Oct 2012, 9:58am

          You people make me giggle.
          Gay men that take the piss out of others are immediately branded “self-loathing” by the likes of you.
          I bet you are the type that calls anybody that demonstrates concern for immigration a racist, just to shut them up.

    2. I’m puzzling what time Greek children supposed to be away from television sets, and what age is included? The UK “watershed” is 21.00, and has been for decades, but a simple kiss has not been subject to it since, well, an adult gay one on Eastenders on BBC1, at about 20.00, repeated at about 15.00 the nest Sunday in 1987 (and 1994 in the case of teenage lesbians at 20.00 on Channel Four, repeated at about 17.00 the next day and earlier the next weekend).

  7. Pavlos Prince of Greece 16 Oct 2012, 11:34pm

    Its not first and, I suspect, not last time of gay censorship in Greece. And I still waiting on replay this night…

    1. Hi Pavlos. So did you the replay show the full thing?

      A few years ago one Greek channel got heavily fined for showing two men giving each other a short kiss during the afternoon.

      It’s the Orthodox clerics, the macho police, and Chrysi Avgi that are responsible for the backward attitudes, isn’t it.

      1. Pavlos Prince of Greece 19 Oct 2012, 9:26pm

        Yes, I show the full thing at the night. And, yes, Orthodox clerics are like poison for possibility of a better, more liberal, more European (sic) Greece…

  8. As one of the many Greeks who were offended by the censorship of the gay kiss on state TV, I can safely say that it is nothing compared to the racism some of the views here express. How idiotic can you be to place all Greeks in the same bag?

    1. ‘Nothing’, really? But perhaps you could then direct us to accounts of the sizeable proportion of the Greek population that has protested loudly against this censorship?

    2. Yes, I would ask Rehan’s question too.

      Have Athenian gays called a demonstration, to protest?

      LGBT liberation in Greece is in its infancy. But don’t get us wrong. We don’t blame “the Greeks”. We blame the backward forces in Greek society: chiefly the strong grip of the Greek Orthodox clerics.

      1. Ben Foster 17 Oct 2012, 7:24pm

        not just the LGBT community, but what about educated hetero Greeks protesting against being treated like infants incapable of making informed judgements about what they see?

        1. Before writing comments in a totally absolute and “excommunicating” way, try to do a follow up of the story. There were official protests by LGBT Association as well as many celebrity people, this channel issued an apology and at the repetition airing the scene was shown properly.

  9. I thought the Greeks invented homosexuality!!

    1. GingerlyColors 17 Oct 2012, 10:27am

      The Greeks did not invent homosexuality. It was about long before Greece was on the map!

      1. Yes, being inborn traits (separately in males and females) that must be true. But in terms of evidence, the first portrayal of a possible homosexual couple in history is commonly regarded as Khnumhotep and Niankhkhnum, an Egyptian male couple, who lived around the 2400 BCE. The pair are portrayed in a nose-kissing position, the most intimate pose in Egyptian art, surrounded by what appear to be their heirs. But the Greeks might well have been the first to write about it, or at least the first whose writing about it has yet been found to survive. Sappho (born about 630 BCE) just preceding the first Chinese mentions about 600 BCE – a seeming coincidence probably explained by cultural ideas traversing the Silk Road.

        1. OK, I overlooked the Epic of Gilgamesh, an epic poem from Mesopotamia, of the 18th century BCE. So Greek people are totally predated.

    2. ...Paddyswurds 17 Oct 2012, 5:58pm

      Homosexuality has existed since we became mammals around 3 million or so years ago. Homosexuality is common amongst our ape cousins the Bonobos and Chimps and amongst other primates. it is also found amongst 450+ species of animal on this planet and has been for millions of years, long before Greece or any political entity existed.
      However the Greeks were accepting of homosexuality and even had army regiments of gay men as long as 3000 years ago (Sparta) ., which is why it was sometimes referred to as “the Greek Disease” Alexander the Great was reputed to be gay or at very least bisexual (he took a wife) and had his lover Hephastion, by his side as he conquered the known world of his day…..

    3. Jeez, people, cheer up. I’m sure Robin was just joking. Why are there so many Debbie Downers here?

      1. Spanner1960 18 Oct 2012, 9:54am

        A homosexual trait, apparently originating from 3 million or so years ago… ;)

  10. It is ridiculous, but every cloud .. the fuss this has caused and the media attention may mean that 10’s of 100s more Greek viewers tune in to watch the un-edited version shown soon. Maybe this was a calculated ploy by their tv barons.

  11. FFS it is just a kiss! It is also quite important as it gives an insight into the character which is very important in the early part of creating a new programme.

  12. Why don’t the agents of the Greek Orthodox Christian Taliban within the Hellenis Broadcasting Corporation digitally paint burkha’s over all gay characters in everything that’s broadcast in Greece.

  13. GingerlyColors 17 Oct 2012, 10:28am

    I heard Mykonos is a nice place – pity about the rest of the country.

    1. Yes, the Greeks of Mykonos turn a blind eye. It’s good for business. But elsewhere in Greece, LGBTs keep a low profile.

    2. ...Paddyswurds 17 Oct 2012, 8:10pm

      …….and dont forget to mention “Lesbos” or you’ll have the oatc troll on your ass accusing you of misogyny ffs…

  14. Italy did the same.

    1. Somehow that’s even more shocking.

      1. That There Other David 17 Oct 2012, 2:15pm

        Not really. Italians still mostly act as if they’re ruled from The Vatican.

  15. Cardinal Capone 17 Oct 2012, 3:22pm

    Greek State Television is sooo heterosexual.

  16. damnedfilth 17 Oct 2012, 3:44pm

    Well the Greeks were told to make cuts by the IMF and Angela Merkel!

    1. ...Paddyswurds 17 Oct 2012, 6:01pm

      …and that relates to their backward homophobia how exactly???

      1. It’s humour. Something you are sorely lacking.

        1. ...Paddyswurds 17 Oct 2012, 10:20pm

          I doubt the Greeks would find you funny, moron!

  17. I would have thought they’d have other, more important things to think about …..?

    1. Humans have an uncanny ability to do more than one thing at once.

  18. After a lot of complaining by viewers, the greek tv chanel apologised officially for the censorhip of the gay kiss, promised never to do a thing like that again, and the full episode with the kiss, was aired again a few days later at 19.00 in the evening. ! A victory for greek lgbt rights , as still in 2012 it s very rare to watch gays kiss on tv !

  19. Inquisition???? when the stakes will come?

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