This is a bit rich from Labour who dragged their feet on gay marriage when they were in power. It’s only because of the lib dems and some moderate Tories that full equality is on the cards
You are simply trying to deflect attention from the fact that NOTHING is happening on the equal marriage front at the moment
Cooper is absolutely right.
There is no reason why an equal marriage bill should not be before parliament within weeks.
It is Tory cowardice and bigotry that is preventing this.
So tell us why we didn’t get it under Labour hen David
Because Labour legislated for CP.
However Labour has not been in government since 2.5 years ago.
In that 2.5 years the Tories have done nothing tangible to introduce marriage equality (the consultation was nothing but a disgraceful timewasting exercise)
Yes, and CP that weren’t total. They could have gone straight for marriage equality & ending the ban on gay military personnel in their first term. They had the largest Parl. majority 1997-2001; but then New Labour was never hot for GLBTI rights.
‘then’ even – I’d hate for you to have to pick me up for my spelling
It is a bit rich, but the whole debate has moved on, and opinion is now behind us. Pressure from any quarter is welcome.
Lib Dems only fully adopted a policy in favour of marriage equality after the 2010 election; it wasn’t in their manifesto and wasn’t in the coalition agreement. The Lib Dems and ‘some moderate Tories’ almost certainly don’t have the votes to get this passed – the whole thing is predicated upon Labour votes in the Commons, without which it would not pass in any case.
The cross party support is great and I welcome it – it’s just that there’s no sign of a Bill and no eartly reason for the delay.
Agreed, do labour have nothing better to do than criticize Cameron for what…. saying we’ll have gay marriage by the end of this term? Political opportunism at it’s most craven. They just don’t like the fact that the tories have shown themselves to be more socially progressive than they were.
Very easy for someone in opposition to have a go at the government! I highly doubt labour would have legalised gay marriage by this time had they been voted into power at the last general election (although thank God they weren’t – there’d be a civil war by now if they had)!
There is no valid reason why an equal marriage bill should not be before parliament within weeks.
Only Tory bigotry is preventing this.
Civil war? Bit melodramatic that. For virtually everyone in the country nothing would have been different to how it is under the Tories, although maybe there would be more day care centres for the elderly still open. How would that cause a civil war?
There is no reason for this not to be moving forward now. No reason AT ALL. Clegg, Cameron, and Milliband all agree it should happen, the majority of MPs agree it should happen, and the majority of the British people agree it should happen. So why isn’t it happening?
There is nothing left to discuss on equal marriage.
An equal marriage bill needs to be in front of parliament within weeks.
Labour can prove that they are committed to equality by introducing a private members bill.
WHY ARE WE STILL WAITING CAMERON?
There might be a need for a private members’ bill – but it would need government time to proceed which is not usually given where the government has an intention to legislate itself.
Whether the government intends to legislate itself is debateable.
They’ve been in power for 2.5 years now and NOTHING has happened on equal civil rights.
Labour need to introduce a private members bill.
It is totally unacceptable that we are still waiting.
Mmmm and then there was the 13 years of Labour too David, don’t forget the 13 years
Are you seriously suggesting that because Labour did not introduce marriage equality during their term of office that it somehow justifies the complete lack of action by the Tory Party to introduce equal civil rights in the past 2.5 years?
Are you trying to suggest that the Tories be allowed to continue doing nothing?
They are in power at the moment,
Do those pathetic Uncle Toms of LGBTory condemn the unacceptable delay in introducing equal civil rights for LGBT people.
Of course they don’t.
Lovely and now you’re resorting to racism to make your flimsy point.
How is is racist?
It is an accurate description of the members of that group – people who colloborate with those who refuse to grant them equality.
…how is calling someone an Uncle Tom racist. This is typical ignorant Tory jingoism. look up Uncle Tom in your dictionary (if you have one which I doubt ) and you will see what it means. Even calling a black person an Uncle Tom isn’t racist as it means (roughly) someone who sucks up to the enemy. and was used by black slaves to describe a black person who snitched to the slave owners on his fellow slaves, etc.
it is now an accepted description of anyone who sides with the enemy, for example; gay people who are “members” of the homophobic Tory party or members of xtian groups who consider gay people an abomination. If you are going to throw ” Godwins law” (which while not exactly the same, making racist accusations is similar in effect) around make sure you know what you are talking about.
You wouldn’t be Hewitt /Ford in disguise by any chance.?. This sort of language is their modus operandi when they are under pressure….
Excellent post Paddyswurds, I learned something :)
As the opposition are tying themselves in knots over this and making bigger fools of themselves than anyone could have hoped for, the longer the government draws out this fake consultation period the madder the anti-gay rhetoric becomes, Cameron really should get on with implementing marriage equality and bring an end to C4M’s manufactured controversy and show that the Tory party really is no longer the natsy party.
Perhaps I meant nasty party.
…as Herr Freud twitches in his grave :-)
dAVID – this is getting a bit obsessive now, non?
Cameron is failing to live up to his promises to the LGBT community.
There is no valid reason for any further delays in introducing marriage equality.
The only reasonable conclusion to be drawn is that Cameron is a liar and that the Tory party intends to remain the same disgusting bigotted party is always has been
Whilst I agree there is no valid reason, that I can think of, to delay the initial introduction of some form of equal marriage bill I think that the conclusion “that Cameron is a liar and that the Tory party intends to remain the same disgusting bigotted party is always has been” can’t be considered “reasonable” until 2015 can it?
Or did I miss him promise anything for sooner?
‘Now’ is stretching it, he’s been like this since the general election
Indeed – I’ve been like this since the election.
And rightly so.
David Cameron made a commitment to grant equal civil rights to the LGBT community after the election.
Yet there has been zero progress on this in the last 2,5 years.
… and me and I’m not even British….
Yvette Cooper should keep her mouth shut and adopt a low profile. She and her lot were in power for long enough, and what did THEY do? She is, in my opinion, the rudest and most arrogant guest whom I have ever had the misfortune to have seen on Question Time, and that’s saying something!
Where is the Tory legislative timetable for marriage equality?
What did they do? Employment protections, adoption rights, civil partnerships, equal age of consent, removal of outdated sexual offences laws targeted at LGBTQ.
Yeah, what have the Romans ever done for us?
“Civil Partnerships” – exactly!
More than the Tories have done.
LOL. So you missed the “Employment protections, adoption rights, equal age of consent, removal of outdated sexual offences laws targeted at LGBTQ” bits did you?
Some people only see what they want to see. We saw more progress for LGBTQ rights under the last Labour government than under ANY OTHER in British history!! They didn’t finish the job, but to dismiss everything they did do as if it never happened is either extremely partisan or symptomatic of dementia.
Oh, and you can add in removing the ban on LGBT servicepeople and anti-discrimination legislation in the provision of services to the list I’ve already given.
What have the Romans ever done for us indeed!
Oh, dear, that comment ruffled a few feathers, didn’t it? I know a champagne socialist when I see one. The Labour Party sold its soul even before Neil Kinnock asked Conference: “What’s the point in having principles if you can’t get elected?”. Cooper and Balls shouldn’t be lecturing anyone – for one thing, they’re responsible for the mess that this country is in at the present moment. They’ve had their opportunity: time to move on. Learn to think for yourselves and avoid the knee-jerk, predictable response!
Why are we still waiting for marriage equality, 2.5 years after the election?
Barrie your a bigot
I bet you think you’re one of the “silent majority” too don’t you? This may come as a shock to your ego, but the reason people don’t agree with you because you’re wrong.
The government are happy to have this as a policy. It makes them look moderate and helps to detoxify them. They don’t seem so keen to publish a Bill and are dragging their feet on the matter when actually there is broad agreement between party leaders and almost certainly a big Commons majority. The longer this is dragged out the nearer we get to the General Election and the House of Lords may vote against which will delay even further.
If you believe in something you have to fight for it and not become complacent otherwise you lose momentum and the opposition can manage to block progress.
As for Yvette Cooper it is good that she is pushing the government to fulfil their promise to legislate and get on with it.
The point is this – party leaders are agreed, the consultation has takwn place, opinion polls show a majority in support. What seriously is stopping progress? The longer it is left the harder it will be until the government has to abandon its plans during this Parliament.
Whether one likes Cooper or not, she’s absolutely right.
What an an embarrassment for the government when the French government on October 31, 2012 pass equal marriage in a far shorter period of time than any of the countries where it is legal with little or no major debate on the issue.
It’s a disgrace that this has been allowed to drag on with no light at the end of the of tunnel, not even a draft of legislation by year’s end.
If Cameron and the coalition can’t multi-task then they shouldn’t be in power. If there were a call to ban heteros from marrying, this would indeed be a priority ahead of the economic woes, make no mistake about that.
Even when a bill finally comes to fruition and hopefully passes a first and second time, it could well face defeat in the House of Lords and I suspect C4M and its gang of hatemongers will be out en masse lobbying the bigots to make sure it fails.
She’s right – the government she get on with it right now. Has Cameron ever explained what the delay is? I’d really like to know as I can’t understand what the problem is. Get on with it!
To this day, we still do not know why the consultation was delayed twice either.. Wait until France passes equal marriage into law on October 31st. , the first major influential country in the EU to do so. Pity Germany hadn’t done it earlier. We can expect the religious nutters in the UK to up the ante even more because France’s decision will put the writing on the wall for the bigots at C4M and their fellow hatemongers north and south of the border. It’s coming whether they like it or not.
I think Cameron has got cold feet on this issue now. I think he has succumbed to pressure from the blue rinse brigade. I think the tory party is now lurching to the right-bash a burgalar,outlaw abortion,abandon gay marriage etc etc etc. The true nasty party is rising again. I cannot see them legalising equal civil marriage anytime soon. The bigots are in the ascendency in the tory party now.
Tory scum have most definitely dropped the moderate facade. Add hatred of disabled to your list of increasingly hard right tory policies. I work with the disabled and the horrific way the tories are attacking them to scrape pittance from their below standard income is disgusting and increasing to hate crime against disabled people with the tories scapegoating of the vulnerable , supported by the gutter press, whilst the multi rich, bankers and their vested interest in the gutter press get off.
Who is weak now Mr Cameron?
He is also going to let off the Gutter Press!
Yes, weak and feeble.
(10min 40sec) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13695457
Lol, this woman married a prime oaf who assisted in almost bankrupted our nation so I guess her support must count for something.
Please explain why we are still waiting for marriage equality.
The Law and Justice Tories have had 2.5 years already.
Labour dithered about Gay Marriage when they were in power and failed the LGBT community miserably, so whom is calling the kettle ‘black’! We look forward to Gay Marriage happening as soon as possible if David Cameron can show initiative and put the motion forward please.
Why not within the next 2 weeks?
Yes ! we with you on that.
Did y’all notice how CallmeDave glaringly omitted Marriage Equality from his speech to the Law & Justice Homophobic Tories this week. It is becoming more and more like this is or has already been “kicked into the long grass” as it were. I always knew that the jump from Clause 28 to Marriage Equality for Gay people would be a step too far for the Nasty Party.
Never trust a Tory.
Ditto! but i never trust politicians anyhow. I just try to recognise which is the least offensive.
If we do not have equal civil rights by the time of the next election then it is crystal clear that the Tories are the same bigotted scum they have always been; and that CallmeDave is the same spineless liar he always was.
That is a lot of ifs, David.
I think a campaign of Anyone But the Homophobic Tories should be started if it hasn’t been tabled by this Xmas…. Waiting til 2015 will be too late.
If equal marriage is so important to and urgent for the Labour Party, why wasn’t it in the 2010 Labour Election Manifesto literature?
It was in the 2010 Conservative Election Manifesto Literature: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/7673224/Gay-couples-could-be-allowed-to-marry-under-Tory-election-plans.html
Ironically, the Labour Party can sometimes be much more cautious than the Tories when it comes to not upsetting conventional opinion because of the risk of losing votes.
I would have much more respect for Labour if they were real socialists rather than petty-bourgeois capitalism-light populists whose policies are dictated by a perception of what will maximise their vote.
At least David Cameron was willing to adopt the equal marriage policy in spite of the risk of losing votes, members, and support from the religious Right.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you – at last someone on here that sees things as they really are
Personally I am surprised every time the current leadership makes these announcements.
One wonders where all this is coming from, given the surety that they WILL lose all those die hard blue rinses from their voting pool.
Perhaps. That’s the point?
I’m still convinced that there is an EU hand at play in the background forcing this however.
If it was so important to you Yvette, then why did you NOT do it during your 13 years in power with massive majorities???? You can’t knock this government for doing what you never.
It wasn’t policy at that time. Things develop. Getting rid of section 28, unequal age of consent, equal parenting and discrimination protection – mostly against active Tory opposition took a lot of parliamentary time. Now attitudes have moved on, the policy decision has been taken (one supposes) the support is there to get it passed. So…. why now the delay? Why the holdup? Once the decision is taken one should just get on with it.
They aint done ANYTHING David! They talk about it-sounds good and “modern”- but to actually DO it? No no no- its all hot air-at least Labour DID things for gay people-like reducing the age of consent,repealing Clause 28,allowed us to serve in the armed services, employment protection,good and services equality legislation,changed the law so we could adopt etc etc etc. Needless to say-your beloved tories opposed ALL these measures.
Labour did these things at a last minute threat to be taken to the European Court of Human Rights . . . if they REALLY wanted to do something, they would have done it within their first term in Government and not wait until they were being kicked out.
SUCH A SHAMEFUL period in Labour’s history.
You are looking for homophobia in the wrong place Robert. The elephant in the room is sitting right on top of the Tory’s lap, not on Labour’s. You may not know or remember, but the Labour party has made clear promises and political commitments with regard to all those changes John has mentioned above, PRIOR to being elected in 1997. Your assertion that they have done so at the last minute because of the ECHR’s threat is complete nonsense.
This , although a stunt, will be interesting and does show labour may perhaps bring forward their own bill if the coaltiion govt continues to dither on SSM
Tuesday 30 October 2012
Ten minute Rule Motion
1 MARRIAGE AND CIVIL PARTNERSHIP
That leave be given to bring in a Bill to remove restrictions on marriage and civil partnership, including the prohibitions on marriage between two people of the same sex, on civil partnership between two people who are not of the same sex, on the use of religious symbols, imagery and service during the registration of civil partnerships and the solemnization of certain marriages, and on the use of religious premises for the solemnization of certain marriages; and for connected purposes.
That would really show the tories up!
Do it Chris-lets see what happens.
Yes, get on with it.
Why didn’t your party show “a bit of backbone” while in power? Stop playing politics with this issue, Labour. You’re pathetic.
I think at this point to deny that she is correct is as much ‘playing politics’ as the article. We may or may not like the woman, but pressure on the government to GET ON WITH IT is a good thing regardless.
SUCH a shame that Ms Cooper, Mr Balls and the rest of the Labour Party didn’t show any ‘backbone’ when they were in power and didn’t bring in equal marriage . . .
Marriage equality is way long overdue in both Australia and the United Kingdom.
France and New Zealand are moving forward like a leopard – but both Australia and the United Kingdom are at a snails pace!
Why are we at a snails pace?
Makes me want to puke