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  1. Thank you Maria, not an easy call to make in those circumstances, but all the more appreciated because of that.

    1. It’s amazingly easy when the party leader has come out in support.

  2. This is nice of her.

    it is woefully inadequate though.

    As equal citizens we deserve equal civil rights.

    While LGBT civil rights are regarded as a ‘free vote’ issue then the Tory Party remains the party of homophobic bigotry.

    Why on EARTH are our civil rights regarded as a free vote issue.

    Does Cameron promise to expel anyone who votes against equal civil rights from the Tories.

    If not then why not?

    And most importantly where is the timetable for marriage equality?

    1. dAVID

      Why do you repeat yourself, endlessly? You’e entitled to do so, but I’m sure I’m not the only one skips over most of your comments, now.

      People have told you before, it should happen sooner but parliament moves at its own speed. Doubtless, when it’s all over you’ll repeatedly state “Should have happened sooner”

      The only way DC will avoid an implosion is to give a free vote. You’ve heard that before, too.

      No need to reply (I can predict that, too) Just get stroppy, click teh thumbs down button and move on.

      1. The Tories are all talk and no action.

        Simple as that.

        1. They DID say by 2015…

      2. And shame on Cameron for putting party politics before equal civil rights for all.

        Then again it’s hardly surprising

        1. Sister Mary Clarence 11 Oct 2012, 8:53am

          Talk us through what the Labour Party did about equal marriage when in power – and please don’t dilute your answer by talking about the European equalities legislation they were required to enact when in power. It is entirely different.

          1. Robert in S. Kensington 11 Oct 2012, 12:58pm

            Exactly right and the same for openly gay men and women serving in our military. Labour didn’t do either voluntarily unlike other governments around the world.

    2. I DON’T skip over your comments dAVID because you are right! It is an absolute travesty that the rights of a minority are being voted on when those who oppose us have yet to offer a single credible reason for their objection.

      It is indeed nice that Maria Miller has turned out to be not as appalling as we feared she would be. That does not mean the right is over. We could still be crushed by our own complacency and we mustn’t forget that.

      As for fears that the party will split as a result of this that is utter nonsense. It is children throwing a tantrum because they don’t like change. If they really wanted to they could easily defect to UKIP or the BNP as some already have, but the majority know that those extremists will never gain power so will ultimately stick with the Tories no matter how this comes out.

      1. de Villiers 10 Oct 2012, 6:01pm

        All votes are voted on – someone has to decide the groups that are deserving of protection. Also, someone has to decide the extent of that protection.

        For example, Parliament voted on age discrimination. Before that, there was no consensus that people should discriminate against someone on the grounds of age. However, that right is not absolute. The discrimination can be justified – for example, in the form of a compulsory retirement age.

        That is not to say that gay people as a class are not deserving of equal rights protections – I consider that we are. However, it is properly for the society to be ready to acknowledge those rights and for a Parliament to grant them.

        1. Which is precisely why democracy is an inherently horrible, tyrannical & oppressive form of government. Most people just don’t see it because they’re part of the majority so everything always looks like it’s going well.

        2. Gay People are NOT a Class you illiterate fool – Don’t they possess a thesaurus and dictionary at TORY HEAD Office!!

          1. Sister Mary Clarence 11 Oct 2012, 5:56pm

            JD I love it when people in glass houses start throwing stones:

            Main Entry: class
            Part of Speech: noun
            Definition: societal group, background

            Source: Thesaurus.com

            So ….. when de villiers refers to gay people as a ‘class’ he is perfectly correct to do so. The word clearly has a broader usage than your narrow mind is aware.

  3. Craig Denney 10 Oct 2012, 4:03pm

    All talk and no action.

  4. ...Paddyswurds 10 Oct 2012, 4:15pm

    I’m sick of all this talk. Talk is cheap, it is now time to walk the walk. Why on earth do we have to wait until 2015 for this. Why aren’t they saying or giving a date that is reasonable; like next month for instance.

    1. I’m sure we won’t have to wait until 2015, as they won’t want to do it immediately before a general election. My guess is late 2013.

  5. Well it would appear that she is changing her tune and it is most welcome.

  6. Cardinal Capone 10 Oct 2012, 4:45pm

    As previously said, will be judged by results, not promises.

  7. more Tory lies…..all talk…another u turn….

    1. If the Tories appointed an all gay cabinet you’d still spit with self-righteous extremist-left fury – so predictable -soo boring.

      1. When did this site become the ‘go to forum’ for all despicable Conservative self loathers?

        Self appointed superiors with nothing but inbreeding and arrogance filling their unevolved heads!

        1. I guess I missed the “You must be this to the left in order to post here” sign when I first came across Pink News.

          I thought the comments were for us to discuss and debate the content of said articles. And FWIW I’m neither left or right. I enjoy debating on here and will happily challenge any hysterical type claims made by either side. Hence why I might ask if you appreciate the irony of using language like “nothing but inbreeding and arrogance filling their unevolved heads!” then claiming that it’s your opponents who are the “Self appointed superiors”?

  8. Cardinal Capone 10 Oct 2012, 5:19pm

    If she’s going to help modernise the Tory Party she needs to get some makeover advice from Carla Bruni about her clothes – that dress and pearls make her look 30 years older than she is., part of the blue rinse brigade. She needs to help change the image of the Tory ladies if they want more universal appeal.

  9. Message to the Tory Party.

    Please stop talking about equal civil rights for LGBT people.

    Instead how about enacting equal civil rights for LGBT people.

    1. Sister Mary Clarence 11 Oct 2012, 8:55am

      Message to David.

      Please stop talking until you have something new to say.

  10. She got quite enthusiastic applause at conference. A couple of boos amidst all the applause isn’t anything to write home about.

    Opposition to equal marriage has nothing to do with Conservatism: it has to do with religious authoritarianism and the brainwashing of the older generation. (Despite that, there are plenty of pro-LGBT senior citizens.)

    I’m watching the Conservative Conference on TV at the moment. It’s really different from how things were under Thatcher, when they definitely *were* the Nasty Party, and I despised them. Things have really changed for the better. If dAVID’s impression of the Conservative Party is based on what it was like then, then his anger towards and mistrust of the Conservative Party is understandable. But I firmly believe his impression belongs to a bygone age. It’s a pity that, now the Tory Cabinet is showing such commitment to LGBT equality, there are LGBT people telling them not to bother, and that whatever they do, they will be found at fault.

    1. I can see you haven’t undusted your dictionary yet Gazza. Conservatism is at the base of religious authoritarianism and the brainwashing of generations. Your constant attempts to instill a new meaning to conservatism will never ever work. No matter how many times you deny it, conservatism will always represent backward ideologies and resistance to change and progress.

      1. Sister Mary Clarence 11 Oct 2012, 9:01am

        I can see Beberts you haven’t understood where 13 years of Labour government got us. I can see you have as little appreciation of who is responsible for the appalling state of our economy as the former Labour government. I can see that you haven’t understood that even though a Labour government created the NHS it didn’t given then the right to destroy it. I can see that you haven’t understood that the former Labour government subjected us to unprecedented levels of lies and dishonesty that left millions of blinked fools like you with no understanding of their deceit.

  11. Thank you Maria :)

  12. Has she swapped her homophobic stance on civil rights to hatred of women by her opposition to equality of having an abortion ? or will she shift on that also. I’m very mistrustful of all thses tories suddenly evolving when it comes to equality chopping and changing their view like public opinion..

    1. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me… CaMoron and his Bullyingdom gang will never ever fool those who have learnt to see right through them.

  13. Are people forgetting that Cameron supported section 28 and strongly opposed its removal. If Miller had shown pro lgbt rights before getting her post i would believe her. Its about time that politicans grew some back bone and stop adopting positions for cabinet posts.

    (i not a big fan of Labour either but i would trust them with LGBT rights rather than the Tories.)

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 11 Oct 2012, 12:56pm

      Labour under Blair and Brown were vigorously against equal marriage and so too was StonewallUK. Labour didn’t voluntarily introduce CPs either, but was forced to by a ruling from the ECHR, the same with openly gay men and women serving in the military. Blair himself said, in defence of CPs, that he didn’t want to “go that way” in regard to equal marriage for fear of upsetting the religious nutters. The cowardly way of course.

  14. Robert in S. Kensington 10 Oct 2012, 9:19pm

    Thank you, Maria Miller, thank you for evolving. Marvellous to hear here statement received thunderous, enthusiastic applause. Two isolated boos is nothing to take seriously. Well done.

  15. Some people here are so naive. ‘Evolving’ my expletive!. They don’t care about equal marriage. Seriously, they don’t. It’s all gesture politics. A diversion from all the other nasty stuff they’re doing. Like slashing benefits and abortion time for women. They’ll stall and stall and stall until…oops!! Sorry, but we DID try but it’s too late now. Maybe next time. I think most people here are intelligent but, sadly, so desperate for approval (because marriage is state-sanctioned approval) they’re blinded to the truth by it.

    1. Yes it almost seems like their dubious support for equal marraige is a ruse to deflect from the nasty party’s other agendas of abusing the disabled, poor, vulnerable, child poverty,excessively increased misdirected foreign aid, whilst british people are increasingly in food poverty and need help here, plans to deny womens autonomy of their own bodies, mass redundancy all in the pathetic excuse of bringing down the deficit, then why is our debt continuing to rise drastically? Yet the tories look after their own clique by enlisting private companies for various governmental department sub contracting, refusing to tax the rich appropriately.
      Tory scum make me sick , makes me laugh all these idiots on here congratulating her as if she’s a martyr . This mysognist miller is insincere and is only doing another tory u-turn because she feels pressurised to comply with her new appointed image of promoting equality, i would say equalities minister but the tories deleted that post.

      1. She’s also a public servant paid for by our tax payers money ,who should represent the civil rights of all of her electorate whether they vote for her or not, and should have had this this sudden u-turn view , before her promotion, to that of minister. Yea right, her ephiphany is really believable. more like she was advised to get the post to drop her earlier prejudice , in public anyhow.

      2. The tories are playing on the desperate desire of some gay people to be married. Not homophobia, but anybody who is desperate for marriage-gay or heterosexual needs to have the wool pulled from their eyes. It’s just a bloody word. It’s not even about rights as civil partnerships provide rights.

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