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London: Hate crime memorial to take place at St Paul’s

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  1. Spanner1960 8 Oct 2012, 6:31pm

    I don’t want to detract from the gravity of the crimes, or the well-meaning of the people involved in this event, but I still see no point in trying to define a hate crime as any different from any other.

    Killing a child is as heinous a crime as killing a grandmother, a black woman or a gay man. Murder is murder, and the motive is ultimately irrelevant.

    1. generaly speaking the legal world would disagree, the motive is extremly important, for instance if you kill somone in self defence it is often not classed as murder, also as in general those that fall into the catagory of a hate crime are more violent in the case of violent crimes, the thinking behind hate crime laws is if i remember rightly (please somone correct me if im incorrect) is hate crimes are considered by and large to be more harmful to the individual and to society as a whole and that the motive for the crime was based out of a prejudice that they have towards a group as opposed to an individual specificly

      1. Spanner1960 8 Oct 2012, 7:53pm

        “More harmful to the individual”?
        Getting seven bells of crap kicked out of you or being murdered in cold blood doesn’t come in degrees; either they did it or they didn’t.

        It’s not like it hurts more to be beaten to a pulp by a homophobe than it does a common-or-garden armed robber.

        1. true but not all hate crimes are murders, i was talking in generalisations with violent crimes in general not just those that end with death which i perhaps did not make clear but the law must always look at the motive regardles, remember a very simple fact in law the motive of a crime can work both ways, the motive can aggrivate the offense or it can mitigate the offense, assuming you accept this then that should clear things up, if not then perhaps you should lobby to get this changed.

    2. Mark Healey 9 Oct 2012, 2:32am

      Could not disagree with you more.

      Of course motive is important, although your right murder is murder – taking a life, any life should be regarded a heinous crime and treated the same. Life should mean life – no get out of jail early for good behaviour.

      But we must look at what motivates people to murder then perhaps then there is the opportunity to use this knowledge to stop or prevent murder from happening.

      What motivates homophobia, or racism, or domestic violence or disability hate crime? What can we do to stop these aweful things from happening?

  2. Ian Bower 8 Oct 2012, 7:12pm

    Why St. Pauls? Isn’t religion responsible for encouraging so many hate crimes? Very strange venue to choose in my opinion.

  3. Mark Healey 9 Oct 2012, 2:24am

    Why St Paul’s Cathedral? Because they approached us and said they would like to support the “No to Hate Crime” work that we are doing and we thought that this would be a fantastic opportunity to work with them.

    It is a historic venue of great national importance, it is extremely symbolic, it is an opportunity for us to work with people of different faiths and none to raise awareness of the work we are doing.

    And I hope that in future years, other churches, synagogues, temples, Mosques, none religious buildings, community centres, pubs and clubs will join us and host similar gatherings to raise awareness and spread the message that hate crime is not acceptable in any of our communities.

    I appreciate that having it at St Paul’s will not appeal to everyone, which is why we also have the Vigil in Traflagar Square the following Saturday (20th Oct).

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