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NFL player Chris Kluwe references the Bible in defence of equal marriage

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  1. I suppose he is well intentioned but referencing the buybull really is quite idiotic.

    Religion or the buybull has NOTHING to do with equal civil rights.

    It is unhelpful in the extreme to start referencing that worthless book, as it simply gives the religious bigots license to be as disgustingly hateful as they always are.

    Equal civil rights have nothing to do with religious cults – irrespective of how ‘gay friendly’ the cult is.

    1. Actually what he has done is clever. Ever sain person knows how stupid it is to live by what a book says. But no matter how stupid it is these religious nutters will keep on quoting the thing as divine truth.

      We can beat the legally because you cant use words in a book as evidence or justification to ruin peoples lives. But if we want to truly beat them morally and instead of always defending ourselves for who we are and actually attack them on what they are we need to take their book ans tun the words against them.

      What he says is a fine example of how these ” Christians ” opperate. They cherry pick what they want to believe by interpreting a story written by a man long ago with his own agendas about an even out of context and try to make it fit their own moral bigotry. They do this while ignoring the apparent words of their own saviour. That we should love thy neighbour and let no man judge less ye be judged. It says we are all imperfect beings and only God may judge us.

    2. “Equal civil rights have nothing to do with religious cults – irrespective of how ‘gay friendly’ the cult is.”


      I’d like you to know that woman have the right to vote in Canada in large part because of militant work by “religious cults”. Gays have equal rights, also in large part, because of “religious cults”.

      The United Church of Canada, the Metropolitan Community Church, and the Society of Friends (Quakers) have been extremely active, vocal, and activist in fighting for the rights of LGBT Canadians, and for ALL minorities. So there is nothing “irrespective” about inclusive denominations who happen to be powerful allies of our community.

      Both UCC and MCC were frontline in the battle for marriage equality.

      These aren’t the hypocritical cults that “love the sinner, hate the sin”. They don’t see homosexuality as being a sin at all, but a natural expression of how God created us.

      And the Bible is a GREAT place to reference when fighting against religious intolerance…

  2. So where’s the reference to the bible then? All the article mentions is the Golden Rule, which is pretty much a human universal found in all cultures. The term “golden rule” is not biblical in origin, dating as it does from the 1670s, and the principle of reciprocity itself was understood in ancient China, Egypt and Babylon before any of the biblical texts were even written.

    1. Well i think treating others how you wish to be treated is even far older than that. Its possibly the oldest yet most ignored of rules because as a race we are self serving. Its worded differently in every religious text but acceptance of others is alway mentioned but is too easily ignored.

  3. I can see what he’s trying to do which is reach the die-hard fundamentalists by quoting scripture back at them, but the problem with using the bible is it’s written to support almost any argument you choose.
    It’s a fundamentaly self-contradictory tome. For every verse that supports your argument you can just as easily cherry pick one that doesn’t.
    “God is love” and wipes out most of the human race with genocide in the story of Noah (to say nothing of the countless other examples littering the OT), wrath is sinful and yet god is a vengeful rageaholic.
    Turn the other cheek, but only after you’ve already erased your enemies their wives, children and cattle off the face of the planet. And that’s just the big stuff.
    If you want a consistant philosophy that would stand up to a minute’s scrutiny, look elsewhere. But cognative disonance is what fundies do best.

  4. The more that I read about Chris Kluwe, the more I like him. He is turning into a strong advocate on the issue of equal marriage. I also like that he is one of the first people that I have read about that has stated publicly ““If you want us to understand why same-sex marriage is bad for kids, you need to provide some sort of substantial evidence”. Good on him but they will still not be able to produce any evidence.

  5. Is this guy being paid by a lobby to speak out like he is or is he being 100% sincere and from the heart in his support for equal marriage rights?

    I think we should be told what his modus operandi is to put his intervention into perspective.

  6. “I don’t think he’s homophobic,” he tweeted ”Matt Birk is an amazing father, teammate, man! Even if he & I disagree on marriage equality we agree on 95% of other issues.”

    “He’s doing what he thinks is right
    no hes not, because he commenting on something that will stop me getting married and effect MY life , not his!

  7. “References the Bible”
    Stopped reading there

  8. George Broadhead 3 Oct 2012, 5:30pm

    “It’s all about the Golden Rule. Treat others as you want to be treated. It’s that simple.”

    VP is correct when he writes: “The principle of reciprocity itself was understood in ancient China, Egypt and Babylon before any of the biblical texts were even written.

    The notion that the Golden Rule is an exclusively Biblical principle is quite wrong and anyone who believes this shows abysmal ignorance.

    The Golden Rule is common to most religions – not just Christianity – and also to the non-religious and gay-friendly life stance Humanism.

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