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Presbyterian Church: Equal marriage will ‘demolish’ society

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  1. Sky daddy gets angry when you lie through your bloody teeth (after all, not being a lying bellend was important enough to be in the “big ten”, homosexuality didn’t get a mention).

    As always, we can demand that the provide evidence to back up their preposterous nonsense. But evidence isn’t exactly a strong point for those that believe in fairy tales.

    1. Yes and what a proud history religion has in NI? It’s certainly played it’s part in literally demolishing parts of society. How dare they? Imagine being lectured by people from that culture.

    2. GulliverUK 1 Oct 2012, 7:24pm

      I suspect they really believe in the Sky daddy – it’s all about power, manipulation, control, money and if they have to lie and cheat and steal and vandalise society to get what they want … well, that’s really not a problem for them. :(

      1. GulliverUK 1 Oct 2012, 7:25pm

        Oops, I meant “I suspect they don’t really believe in the Sky daddy” :)

  2. Who cares – civil marriage has NOTHING to so with the disgusting presbyterian cult.

    As for the Green Party – why is it mentioning same sex religious marriage.

    They are adding fuel to the fake opinion that religious cults have some sort of influence on civil rights – they do not!

    1. Spanner1960 2 Oct 2012, 9:23am

      He said “cult” again, mommy.

  3. Can anyone else hear that? Yes, it is the sound of straws being clutched!

    1. Along with their pearls.

    2. Except we are still waiting for a timetable for the introduction of equal civil rights.

      Until we have that timetable then I suspect that there is no guarantee that the Tories will legislate for equality.

  4. Again they provide no evidence or mechanism by which harm will be done.

    What will they say in 20 years when no harm has been done i wonder?

    1. Maybe they’ll say society is already demolished but people can’t see it, something like how they used to say rock and roll, Rebel Without a Cause, Playboy magazine and Hollywood was going to destroy society.

  5. They are getting hysterical

  6. Here we go again. ‘demolish’….’erode’….such dramatic words AGAIN from a church, but would just one of you, for once please please explain HOW that is going to be the case.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 1 Oct 2012, 3:54pm

      They can’t. I think they should contact the governments of all of the countries with equal marriage and produce the evidence. They know they can’t because there isn’t any.

  7. Paul Brownsey 1 Oct 2012, 3:28pm

    It would be good if we could be told *which* Presbyterian Church this is. The Presbyterian Church is not an international monolith like the Roman Catholic Church. And there is probably more than one Presbyterian Church in Northern Ireland itself.

    1. apparantly there are 5 inside northern ireland which are the same 5 in the rebublic of ireland heh they are…

      the Presbyterian Church in Ireland,
      the Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster,
      the Non-subscribing Presbyterian Church of Ireland,
      the Reformed Presbyterian Church of Ireland
      the Evangelical Presbyterian Church

      1. Checked out the websites and found it was the first one on your list “the Presbyterian Church in Ireland”

  8. Any chance of demolishing the Presbyterian Church? Probably not. Ignoring mad nonsense is probably the best way to deal with it.

  9. Peter & Michael 1 Oct 2012, 3:39pm

    Civil Partnerships are not equal to marriage, as many of the rights that hetrosexual marriage bring cannot be enjoyed by LGBT couples. Anyway, we would not want to be married in a church, because they have discriminated against LGBT people throughout the ages.

  10. Cardinal Capone 1 Oct 2012, 3:51pm

    “The steady erosion of such values, with minimal debate about the world view replacing them, causes us the very greatest concern,”

    The world view that is replacing that of the iron age is one of of more reason, tolerance, compassion and understanding, and less biblical literalism, judgementalism, and closed-mindedness. It’s not rocket science.

  11. Not so long ago I viewed religion as harmless enough and that it brought a feeling of belonging for some people, a sort of holier than thou social club. Now I realise what a damaging and dangerous concept it is, with a long history of opposing social and scientific progress.

    So glad that I live at a time when people like Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett and the late and much missed “Hitch” are calling these people out, and exposing them for the mean spirited control freaks that they obviously are.

  12. The Presbyterian Church’s press office issued the statement via Stephen Lynas, Presbyterian Information Services

  13. Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Canada, Argentina and the Netherlands…

    What do they all have in common? Their societies and cultures have all been utterly DEMOLISHED!!!

    Oh wait, aren’t most of them doing a damn sight better than Northern Ireland at the moment?

    1. Good point. I bet these comedians wish that Northern Ireland was doing as well as the countries you list. In fact if was religious and from Northern Ireland I would hesitate in giving advice on the best way to organise society. Perhaps a shame faced silence would be more fitting.

    2. Maybe they can argue the financial crisis that Spain is going through is a punishment from God for the Spaniards having distanced away from Him and legalized same-sex marriage in their country. Of course, how they are going to explain the financial crisis in Italy and the even worse financial crisis in the almost bankrupted Greece I leave to the imagination.

  14. GulliverUK 1 Oct 2012, 4:44pm

    Good, I’m glad. The more nuttier they get the easier it is for the majority to see they’ve more crazy and weird than people thought. If they want to stand up and make statements which ridicule themselves … I’m all for that.

    On the other hand, these sorts of religious freaks tar all the other normal believers as lunatics. But perhaps that will help mobilise others in the churches to speak out against this tiny minority of bigots. There was an article in one of the nationals today pointing out that these people are pushing the churches further and further away from the norms and values held by the majority in society.

    1. Spot on statement GilliverUK.

      They obviously haven’t heard of the adage:

      When in a hole, stop digging…

  15. No, it won’t demolish society at all. Slavery was a ‘norm’, preventing women from voting was a ‘norm’ – and society didn’t collapes when both those things were changed.

    Anyway, all the Presbyterian Church needs to do is talk to the UNchristian Institute then they’ll feel reassured because apparently there are so few LGBT people that we don’t count!

    And you can only be a homophobe if you think that two people of the same sex marrying will destroy “values” because their assumption is that we’re Bad People and thus will somehow taint marriage. Rubbish!

    1. GulliverUK 1 Oct 2012, 5:38pm

      but they keep telling us they love us really ! :D

      They simultaneously make me want to scream out loud and piss myself laughing :)

    2. Ben Foster 1 Oct 2012, 10:00pm

      I logged on to make that point – about slaves, women etc, but you’ve already done it. No need to repeat myself, just endorse your well made point, iris.

  16. Dave North 1 Oct 2012, 5:22pm

    This is so tiresome.

    Again and again these idiots spew out this dross, totally unaware that with each verbal vomit they distance themselves from their own deity.

    NOTHING in their biblical comic said ANY of this.

    These are nothing more than tired little people who FAIL to meet up to the requirements of their own faith.

    To be met with contempt and pity.

    1. Dave North 1 Oct 2012, 5:36pm

      Oops. Forgot to say. My Homosexual Agenda for tomorrow.

      1) Feed 2 cats, 1 dog, 80 fish, 1 budgie and 1 chicken.
      2) Go to work. Be productive. Earn money, pay taxes.
      3) Come home from work.
      4) Feed cats, dog, fish, budgie and chicken.
      5) Feed self and partner.
      6) Usurp society and destroy marriage for ALL heterosexuals.

      It is 100% clear that when these types make these statements they obviously see LGBT people as “lesser”.

      Somehow tainting their “sacred” values.

      Fortunately, reason is on our side and these hateful rats are scurrying into their corner.

      Only a few days ago the Catholic Church in Germany told its faithful that if they didn’t pay their church TAX they would not be entitled to all the guff that
      it provides.

      Very Christian, NOT.

      1. Spanner1960 2 Oct 2012, 9:24am


      2. Why have you so many fish and what are they (I am also an aquarist)?

  17. Garry Cassell 1 Oct 2012, 6:23pm

    The biggest threat to society is the hateful , racist, biggoted church of all stripes..all have the same hateful agenda…nothing to do with love or God…

  18. Seems the only thing they know is The Gospel of Saint Bigot!!!

  19. Gay marriage is going to destroy society ? Hey, they are ripping off the Catholic Church ! lol

  20. We have already demolished generations and centuries of societal norms: the ones that would execute you for an atheistic comment or for belonging to the wrong religion, fine you for not attending church, or bar you from university if you didn’t belong to the right religious denomination. And good riddance!

  21. Paul in Brighton 1 Oct 2012, 8:40pm

    Amazing, I never thought I’d live to see the day when Sinn Fein, the politcal wing of the IRA stood ahead of a Christian church in speaking out for fairness and equality for LGBT people.

    This really is something. It wasn’t that long ago the IRA were known for knee-capping suspected ‘homos’ who they regarded as pedos.

    Yet, Sinn Fein have moved on and the Presies are still stuck along with the Catholic church et al in blaming LGBT people for everything anything that is wrong with society, past or future.

    Nice one, Church leaders. This will ensure you get the place in the history books you truly deserve.

  22. Fear is such a debilitating thing.

    “The sky will fall in!” cried ChickenLicken!

    And they all believed him.

    What a way to live your life, a life lived continually in fear and dread.

  23. Again, this “churches should be allowed to choose for themselves whether they offer their services to same-sex couples” schtick goes unchallenged. It’s a pernicious nonsense of the highest order.

    Does a corner shop get the right to discriminate against us if it wants to? No.

    Does a school get to discriminate against us if it wants to? No.

    Does an employer get the right to discriminate against us if it wants to? No.

    Religious groups MUST be held to the same standards of equality law as every other service provider in the land. Being an inveterate bigot who believes in magic trees grumpy sky-tyrants is not a good reason to deserve an exemption from the rules EVERYONE ELSE has to abide by. Churches must be FORCED to offer same-sex marriages if they offer marriages at all.

  24. Really? Will it? Don’t tell me, a massive earthquake will be the cause… NO, in fact, it’ll be a ‘mother of all tsunamis’. Perhaps it’ll be a massive bolt of lightning, or in fact it might be that the sun explodes?

    Of course in the deluded backward minds of preachers to the invisible sky fairy, the gays that are calling for equal marriage are responsible for all the worlds ills and problems.

    I suppose if there was a shortage of milk or butter, we’d also be blamed for that too, you’d quote that the cows got depressed from seeing alleged gays nearby.

    Of course.

    Whatever next eh?

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