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  1. Diddums.

    1. Took the word right out of my keyboard!

      1. And mine !

  2. Robert Brown 26 Sep 2012, 7:37pm

    . . . SO . . . as we keep saying . . .

    sexual, physical and mental abuse of their parishioners IS part of ‘God’s plan’ then? . . .

    Same when I was abused by the Father of the Church I attended when a child.

    Thankfully I’m an SGI Nichiren Buddhist now . . . no rules, regulations or ways of ‘having’ to live your life.

    http://www.rainbow-citizen.com

    1. I guess that the mass murder of 6 million Jews, Germany[s gays, and a total of 55 million people by a cahtolic nut case who learned his hate in catholic schools in very cath austria……………….

      Was gods plan. The MF has a reversed alimentary canal.

  3. The ever present snivelling bloody martyr complex of the bully wetting their pants and having a cry because the people that they have been tormenting swing back.

    Those who join their club and choose their dogma agree to submit to their bunk. Those of us who not do so do not give a single d@mn about their beliefs, their bodies or what they choose to do to them.

    Is it THEIR nature, by virtue of how organised religion will seek to consolidate wealth and power, to force their beliefs on US.

    I am not obliged to respect them, their god, their beliefs. They are not obliged to respect me either. But what they cannot do is subject me to the tyranny of force of law or the oppression of their bloody dogma when I do not consent to it.

    1. Outstanding comment, @Valksy. Completely agree.

    2. I agree!

      ATHEISM = PEACE

    3. Totally agreed, Valksy.

  4. What planet is this man on as it is clearly not earth!

    1. sjames6621@yahoo.com 28 Sep 2012, 8:57am

      he’s in his mythical heaven, God hasnt yet turned on the nuclear heaters for him.

      as black people in america said while fighting for equalit

      burn baby burn

  5. ” Anti-gay opponents are being ‘vilified’ for their views”

    Indeed Bish.

    Just as the N@z!s were vilified for their view on Jews, and the KKK for their views on blacks.

    See the connections here bish.

    Joined the dots yet?

    1. hes’ playing the old game of claiming to be the victim when he is the victimizer – of kids also.

      Diederot was right when he said during the french revoltuion to break teh back of the cabal of church and state…………….

      Mankind will be free when the last king is strangled with the guts of the last priest

      We ran out of kings but still have some priests. Strangle the right wing evangelicals.

  6. Yes, “vilified” in the same way as racists and other haters who hate a whole group of people based on prejudice. The bible was used by racists to ‘prove’ their hate was god-sanctioned in the past.

    The Archbishop can believe what he wants about human sexuality but no-one else should be forced to live by his religious rules nor should they be allowed to dictate the law.

    1. Iris: the RC archbishop was saying to quote PN: ” the Roman Catholic Church deeply believed that human sexuality was a gift reserved for married heterosexual couples.” Do you think people should be vilified for believing that?

      1. There is a difference between believing that only married heterosexuals should have sex and doing what the RC church does which is consistantly use the discredited and bigoted arguments which call us paedophiles and child molestors

      2. He’s entitled to his belief, JohnB, but he’s not entitled to use it to discriminate against others or attempt to influence the law. Nor should he be surprised when some people criticise him.

        I don’t see Catholics mentioning divorce every five minutes or campaigning to ban it. I’m sick of some religions obsession with other people’s sex lives. I’m also sick of them seeing love between two people of the same gender as simply about sex. Love is more than that, and the way they constantly reduce our relationships to sex is insulting – and meant to be so, I think.

      3. It’s not his beliefs that are the problem, everyone is entitled to their beliefs. It’s the attempt to politicise their beliefs around the world and to directly or indirectly impose them upon everyone by attempting to influence the law that is the problem.

      4. Maybe not vilified but, let’s face it, it’s more than a little silly, isn’t it?

      5. ‘…do you think people should be vilified for believing that?…’

        No, they should be ridiculed for believing that

  7. auntie babs 26 Sep 2012, 7:51pm

    my heart bleeds for the poor little lambs that they have had their rights to spread bigoted hatred away from them.

  8. So the Catholic priests who have abused children conveniently get redefined as nothing other than “homosexuals” because it suits the church to try to distract from the fact that it was their ordained priests who did these things, regardless of their sexuality, and it suits the chuch’s bigoted and hateful stigmatisation and vilification of LGBT people.

    Well, Catholic Church bigots, “As ye sow, so shall ye reap.” You have got away with persecuting LGBT people for 2000 years. But not any more. You have galvanised a very powerful force against you, and you have had it coming for a very long time.

    1. Jen Marcus 26 Sep 2012, 8:18pm

      ANEN!

      1. Jen Marcus 26 Sep 2012, 8:19pm

        Sorry typo,That’s AMEN!

  9. Cry me a river. You’re the bigots here. People are persecuting you because of your hatred, your filth, and your inability to see the beauty of love. If you don’t like it, move to Iran.

  10. So, a representative of the tactical arm of the Man/Boy Love Association criticises consensual relationships between adults of the same sex, while completely ignoring the last 100 years of research into human sexuality?

    Get over it, you nasty old bigot.

    1. Mumbo Jumbo 26 Sep 2012, 8:40pm

      Your point is well made but I should add that nearly half their victims were little girls. Child rape is the one area where the RC Church applied an equal opportunities policy.

  11. The Catholic Churc is not being vilified for it’s anti-gay views. They are being vilified for being hypocritical child molesters.

  12. “…they are stigmatised and worse – they are vilified, and prosecuted,”

    So what? Good.

  13. what a bas***rd. Those priests wwere child molesting monsters and the current pope protected them. “suffer little children” I don’t think!

  14. How can he complain about being vilified when he so elegantly fits the stereotypical ‘villain’ mold? :D

  15. “Help! We’re being oppressed, we can no longer discriminate against gay people without being called out on it” says the man who equates homosexuality with pedophilia.

  16. Does he really not see the paradoxical contradiction in what he says?… Oh wait he’s in the church, they come out with that bulls*** everyday.

  17. Mumbo Jumbo 26 Sep 2012, 8:38pm

    He’d be better employed sorting out stuff like this:

    http://goo.gl/Xz7V9

    Catholic sexuality seems to be a gift reserved for freaks who should be allowed nowhere near children.

  18. Paddyswurds 26 Sep 2012, 8:44pm

    Emmm, “the priests were homosexuals who preyed on Adolescent boys”… I beg to differ; Most of the children were from 7 to 12 year old, hardly adolescent, and 50% of them were Girls. The man is a blatant liar and it is that attitude that drove the Irish Prime Minister to throw out the Papal Nuncio and close Ireland’s Embassy to the Vatican.

    1. chris casey 27 Sep 2012, 3:22pm

      Sorry but I just don’t think that is true. Researched this a number of years ago and, if memory serves me right, the vast majority were with boys aged 12+.

      1. Paddyswurds 28 Sep 2012, 2:06pm

        If you had read the myriad of Judicial reviews carried out in Ireland since 1996 you would know different. If you restrict your research to missives from the Vatican you will of course get that result, and it is patently false. Contact One in 4 in Ireland and they will set you straight. the majority were children from 7 to 12 and were evenly mixed. Look up the Vile priest who killed himself in prison, Smith, and you will find that he drove around the country collecting children of both sexes and brought to Dublin on a “trip away” where put the girls in one room and the boys in another, usually 2 to a room,and then went from room to room raping them while the other boys or girls watched. If you have info that disputes this would you like to post some links to this info….. Somehow I think I will have a long wait for those links!

  19. You guys in the Vatican are certainly not anti Boys .

  20. What kind of defence is this!

    It boils down to the following:

    “Oh, but, we deeply believe that human sexuality is a gift reserved for married heterosexual couples . . . so please be nice to us, stop confronting us! We sincerely believe it!”

  21. Paul in Brighton 26 Sep 2012, 9:11pm

    That’s right, Archbishop Tomasi, the world’s spotlight is finally shining on your and your sombre-suited unelected bunch of parasites. After quite literally, centuries where you and your coherts weiled unimaginable power and distruction – not forgetting the estimated 5 million women and men who perished during the Catholic Inquisition, the day has finally come when the world has had enough.

    Your belief that you control what goes on either in people’s bedrooms or their relationships is finally at an end.

    Go quietly now please, and pray to your God that he will be both forgiving and benevolent when you and your partners in crime come knocking at his door.

    And when you get there, remember that Jesus’s mother was unmarried at the time of his birth – and that Jesus never had a wife, but lived with Peter, his best friend.

    Go, please and leave us to live our lives in peace.

  22. Same old tired trick – trying to make out they are the victims rather than the aggressors.

    Why are the Catholics allowed this special status at the UN. They need chucked out.

  23. We believe in the dignity of all human beings but you must conduct your personal lives in ways that we approve, or remain celibate? And it doesn’t matter whether you share our beliefs or not!!!

  24. Anti-gay opponents are being ‘vilified’ for their views as they deserve to be.

  25. If you have the time this is an interesting video.

    It makes the case that statistically children are less likely to be abused by gay men.

  26. “…the Roman Catholic Church deeply believed that human sexuality was a gift reserved for married heterosexual couples.”

    Just as I believed deeply in Father Christmas when I was a 9yr old, but then I grew up.

  27. I look forward to the day when the holy see becomes the sawed off.

  28. That There Other David 26 Sep 2012, 10:07pm

    They really don’t get it do they? What exactly does a group of celibate old men know about human sexuality, or marriage, or relationships for that matter?

    ALL of their beliefs on these matters are made from a position of ignorance, and yet they get truly upset when they aren’t respected for it!

    If I told surgeons how to perform open heart surgery because I had talked to people that had done it would I be listened to? Of course not!! So why are these charlatans listened to by anyone?

    Isn’t it time they were thrown out of their palaces and made to get real jobs like the rest of us?

  29. Guglielmo Marinaro 26 Sep 2012, 10:21pm

    Tomasi and people like him are free to hold and preach their unenlightened beliefs to their hearts’ content. They aren’t being vilified; they’re just being told that they can’t impose their beliefs on everyone else as public policy.

    “…the majority of Catholic clergy who committed such acts were not paedophiles but ‘homosexuals’ attracted to sex with adolescent males.”

    Just as the majority of those Catholic clergy who abused under-age post-pubescent girls were not paedophiles but heterosexuals attracted to sex with adolescent females.

  30. You ain’t seen nothin yet Archie. The best is yet to come.

  31. Pavlos Prince of Greece 26 Sep 2012, 10:32pm

    Vilified? Very good. We need the second French Revolution. Before its too late. Or wish someone really back to Middle Ages? (except President of Iran and The Pope)

  32. Leigh Hamilton 26 Sep 2012, 11:22pm

    Wait, is he really saying that people with vile views are being vilified?

    You don’t say.

  33. That There Other David 26 Sep 2012, 11:29pm

    Talking of the Catholic Church – German worshippers must continue to legally tithe 9% of their income to the church if they want to receive Communion.

    How is this racket not officially labelled as a cult? Seriously, what’s the difference between this bunch of brainwashing charlatans and the Scientologists?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19737983

  34. Wim from Holland 26 Sep 2012, 11:44pm

    The archbishop is NOT correct when he states, that the RCChurch condemnes all violence against gay people. When in the U N in december 2008 France proposed to help worldwide to de-criminalise homosexuality, (while every single country in the Europian Union did sign the resolution) The Vatican opposed. The RCChurch is rather indifferent to jailed and executed gays.

  35. They should be stigmatized: I would not want to work, live or be friends with someone who is against gay rights. i would not even want to talk to them. They should be ostracized and cut off from mainstream society.

  36. Paddyswurds 27 Sep 2012, 1:42am

    It is a great shame and pity that the Roman Catholic cult didn’t show such concern over the last 50 years plus, when their clerics were raping and sadistically beating little children all over the world. Hundreds of little boys and girls were even taken from their beds in the middle of the night and were never seen again, believed murdered in sadistic black mass rituals and perverted sexual practices. Some were even sold into sexual slavery in the USA and Middle East. The evil that has emanated from the Vatican over the last 1800 years is beyond belief and all presided over by Popes who should have been imprisoned when they were teenagers, they were so sadistically evil, while presiding over a cadre of clerics whose evil will probably never be surpassed or indeed punished as they were so well protected by Rome and “canon law”.

  37. The bishop says that the Catholic Church condemns violence against homosexuals yet the beliefs which they are indoctrinating parisioners with is as violent as can be. Teaching that a person born gay is an abomination to God is incredibly psychologically abusive, especially to LGBT children.

    1. There are the stragglers out there who still wish to cling to the idea of discriminating against gay people…I guess because it makes them feel “principled”. I find that pathetic and sad personally. Discrimination does not require tolerance in a mature society. Holding on to bigoted views has nothing to do with “principle” – it has to do with bigotry, pure and simple.

  38. “are increasingly being attacked and vilified for their views.”
    And so they bloody well should be!

  39. GingerlyColors 27 Sep 2012, 6:33am

    “Anti-gay opponents are being ‘vilified’ for their views”? Well I am personally fed up of being vilified for what I am!

  40. Get used to it. Times are a’changing.

  41. It is my deeply held belief that the archbishop is a c***.

  42. Spanner1960 27 Sep 2012, 8:42am

    Now you know what it feels like, Archbishop.

    Ask any LGBT person how they feel about societies opinion. Most of us have had to put up with this crap all our adult lives.

  43. At least it’s a welcome change from when the Catholic church was able to exert more influence. People who had disagreements about matters of sexuality were burnt at the stake or hung.

  44. “…the Roman Catholic Church deeply believed that human sexuality was a gift reserved for married heterosexual couples.” (Silvano Tomasi)

    “In the 1700s, marriage between a Catholic and an Anglican was not recognised as law.
    Such a stance would be ludicrous now.
    Changing this aspect did not lessen the value of marriage and nor will changing marriage to incorporate same-sex couples.” (Mike Gaffney)

  45. Hitler was sincere in his beliefs too.

    Saddam Hussein was sincere in his beliefs too.

    Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is sincere in his beliefs too.

    Sincerity is NO DEFENCE, Mr. Tomasi.

  46. Cardinal Capone 27 Sep 2012, 11:16am

    The Vatican: the only Absolute Monarchy in the UN. Currently pursuing an extremist right wing agenda.

  47. This Vatican PR hack can ‘deeply believe’ whatever he likes. I deeply believe that Roman Catholicism is a load of tosh. And anyone who vilifies other peoples’ feelings and relationships and complains about getting some ‘vilification’ back has a very weak grasp of cause and effect. But then he IS religious.

  48. Robert in S. Kensington 27 Sep 2012, 1:09pm

    Notice how the Vatican dismisses the hetero paedophiles who were and are part of the problem. I remember when the molestation scandal erupted in America, the Vatican issued a directive for careful scrutiny of would-be seminarians to “weed out” as they called it, those who were perceived to be gay but nothing was done to address the hetero perpetrators. The bigoted hierarchy like to give the impression that just because there were fewer girls accessible to predator priests that it wasn’t really a hetero problem. Disgusting and vile either way. What would any of them know about human sexuality and relationships? The RCC is morally bankrupt on all counts and not in a position to judge or point fingers.

  49. And does he have a view on paedophile priests f*#*#ng litle boys, or the church’s deliberate and systematic denial and refusal to co-operate with authorities worldwide in protecting ‘their own’? When churchmen start closing their mouths and stop criticising people, and start putting their won house in order then I may just have an ioto of respect for them to be prancing about in their fancy dress costumes and making comments on others and their lifestyles

  50. Just like American segregationist racists were “vilified” during the civil rights movement.

    Just like Apartheidists in South Africa were “vilified” in the 1980’s.

    Just like anti-suffrage misogynists were “vilified” in the 1920’s.

    In each and EVERY justice movement, once the oppressed start to stand up for themselves and find their voice those who oppressed them begin to claim “vilification” and “oppression” as their views lose majority status and, for the FIRST time in their lives, people begin to challenge their views.

    It warms my heart to know that these anti-gay whiners will share a page in history with the racists, Apartheidists, misogynists and related bigots who preceded them.

  51. Spiritbody 27 Sep 2012, 3:30pm

    Gay people also, when expressing THEMselves, have long been attacked, vilified and prosecuted.
    If this gentlemen feels that its not right and unfair to vilify and prosecute people who express themselves, then he should lead by example, and show tolerance for those who differ from him.

  52. Alas they need somone to persecute and hate. For ages it was Hebrew people now it is gays- watch out there will be witch hunts soon!

    1. MerlynHerne 27 Sep 2012, 7:37pm

      Sadly you may be right. Over here, many Pagans realise that if any of this lot of bigots and religious fanatics win significant power, all our hard won freedoms could go down the drain–and the fundies and RCs would be at the head of the torchlight and [itchfork parade

  53. MerlynHerne 27 Sep 2012, 7:34pm

    My heart just bleeds for that lot–not. They have more than shown how morally bankrupt they really are and now thy’re complaining because they are being called on it?

  54. And your point is? You think gay guys aren’t subjected to abuse too? Oh no, of course not… according to ‘your way of life’ it’s perfectly acceptable to bully and harass gay guys, send out vile hate preaching souls and distributing leaflets. If you don’t like being the victim of ‘hate’ yourself… don’t stir up hate in the first place!

    Shut up or faack orrff!

  55. David Cary Hart 28 Sep 2012, 1:27am

    And how does this comport to being called perverse, depraved and disordered by this guy’s boss:

    http://bit.ly/QsKjxJ

  56. sjames6621@yahoo.com 28 Sep 2012, 9:02am

    church still trying also to blame gay people for the molestation.

    the gays were having sex with each other. The sex starved priests couldnt get at the nuns and couldnt afford prostitutes.

    RATZInger hid these vile crimes.

    http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Pope-Benedict-accused-of-masterminding-Catholic-Church-sex-abuse-cover-up-91038229.html#ixzz1lf7MasmO

    Fortunately thanks to RATZI, the church is all but dead in Europe, and dying in Latin america. it would be the same in the USA except for hispanic immigration.

    1. sjames6621@yahoo.com 28 Sep 2012, 9:03am

      May RATZI have along life and papacy – the old boy is killing off the church. Soon only nutters will attend.

  57. Damn right you are being vilified, not nice is it?

  58. PeterinSydney 29 Sep 2012, 5:05am

    The vilification starts with Benedict and the Cardinals and Archbishops making utterly derogatry statements and claims about gay people and marriage equality. Gay people are simply standing up for themselves. And even that is perversely interpreted as vilifying the church. What terrible logic and utter rubbish from this Archbishop.

  59. … but it’s OK for these bigots to vilify gay people? These outfits are just not used to people answering them back. Why don’t they just get a life and stop worrying about how their god may treat us in ‘the afterlife’? We’ll do just fine, I’m sure, without them constantly trying to convert us …..

  60. billywingartenson 4 Dec 2012, 4:18am

    the church of Hit’r, Mengele, Goebbels Eichmann and Himmler.

    need I say more – yes see this link

    http://churchhorrors.blogspot.com

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