Let’s hope the issue of homosexuality continues to divide the cult of England.
It is beyond absurd that in the year 2012 there is no separation of church and state in Britain.
The issue of homosexuality will divide and weaken the cult of England, and will make the maintenance of the cult as ‘official’ cult untenable.
When Britain gets a separation of church and state, then those poisionous bigots representing the Cult of England in th eHouse of Lords will have to be expelled.
That can only be a good thing for the GLBT community.
It’s institutionalised homophobia and anti-gay bigotry that is weakening and destroying the Anglican church rather than homosexuality.
But the end result is what is important – a separation of church and state in Britain.
It’s beyond embarrassing that we have not reached this point in 2012.
Technically, whether we like it or not, we are a theocracy. Having unelected religious clerics sitting in the equally unelected, undemocratic House of Lords is living proof. Our national motto is “Dieu et mon droit”, )God and my right); We’re not even a true democracy. I’m all for abolishing the HoL and the monarchy. Both are irrelevant and anachronistic and a waste of taxpayer money. France did the right thing in 1789. Pity we didn’t follow its fine example. We’ll never get it abolished as long as the Tories oppose Lords reform which would be the first step to expel the 26 religious cultists and we all know the majority of the Tories defer to the CoE.
Technically, England is not a theocracy.
A theocracy is a system of government where the priests exercise executive power in the name of god. In England, the priests hold no executive power.
Also, England is a “true” democracy. The monarch appears to exercise no executive powers. The are exercised by the government, which is elected. The House of Lords is unelected but then the French Senat is not elected by the popular vote, similar to many other second chambers, and I would argue strongly with anyone who suggested that the French Republic was not a proper democracy.
But the unelected HoL passes legislation into law that includes 26 bishops. I don’t know of any western government where clerics are allowed to get their say in passing legislation of any kind. Their religion dictates how they vote, in the name thereof.
The Vatican City?
Neither do I. But that does not amount to theocracy.
ah yes…. Anglicanism the “true” christianity.
let’s see… the only thing Christ ever said about marriage or even sexuality was – no divorce. Yup, Christ was fervently anti-divorce. He however never said anything about homosexuality.
Now how does the Anglican church stack up with their God’s teachings?
Allows divorce!?! Oh shock.
And doesn’t support homosexuality through some misguided, poorly translated reading of the Bible.
So the “Church of England” really isn’t a Christan church at all, is it. May as well lump it in there with Scientology and Mormonism.
Who cares what Jeebus says about anything.
He’s a fictional character (or maybe a carpenter named Jeebus once existed, but the absurd cults that have sprung up around him are beyond disgusting and irrelevant in 2012.)
Ah another outing of ‘not a true Scotsman.’
The problem is that the Bible is largely irrelevant to 21st century humanity and trying to make it fit, is harmful to everyone.
no, not really.
if someone claimed to belong to a socialist party, and advocated for tax freedom for large corporations and the abolishing of unions, would you ay they were “true socialists”?
Entirely irrelevant whether you believe in Christ or not.
Jesus never spoke about homosexuality, but DID denounce divorce. So how can they say they are a Christian denomination when they proudly and publicly contradict two of his basic teachings?
By the way, you know, you don’t have to believe in a “sky fairy” to think that the teachings of Christ have some merit. Being Christian doesn’t mean believing the entire Bible is fact. It means following the teachings of that single man, Jesus. Which, by the way, would also mean ignoring the rantings of some of the other New Testament writers who also seem to ignore Christ’s actual teachings regarding tolerance.
What’s the bet that whoever is chosen he uses his first speech in charge to tell Cameron that gay people must not be allowed to marry.
If only we had a PM who had the bottle to tell the Cul of England to keep their insane beliefs out of secular law.
And then actually went about ending for once and for all the horrific situation where some bizarro cult like anglicanism is the ‘official’ state religion.
We may well have done if someone had the balls to say that House of Lords reform (or preferably dissolution) was 100% necessary. But this is why democracy is a bad thing.
The Premier Ministre did say that. He made a speech to the Church telling them that the Conservative party had been wrong on the rights of homosexual and that that the Church should not make the same erreur.
I predict it will be Semtanu- and that the CofE will polarise around the homophobic position re gay marriage in particular and gay people in general’
Inevitably it will lead to more isolationist position in western Europe-but more mainstream in Africa etc.
Yes,they should rename it the Church of Africa really seeing as they are capitulating to the bullying homophobic bishops of Africa.
I really do hope it is Sentamu.
He is such an extremist bigot that separation of church and state in Britain will become even more desireable.
Give the job to Graham Norton – he has the experience ( he was great in Father Ted )
My vote goes to Aled Jones. With all that Songs of Praise work he must be qualified, and he can really belt out a song when he wants to. Much better candidate than the others on the shortlist.
Plus he looks a bit like Claire Balding, and everyone loves Claire.
With all his choirboy experience us gays may get a better deal at least
As most of the candidates disapprove of women priests, the idea of equality and an end to anti-gay bigotry is pissing in the wind.
If they can’t get their head around something already in place, moving forward is never going to happen.
Jimmy, disillusioned ex-Anglican.
If Sentamu is appointed, it will herald the polarisation of the Anglican cult in the UK and the U.S. The schism which Rowan Williams once spoke of will invevitably become a reality, a good thing too. I wish Stonewall had included Williams and Sentamu in its bigot of the year awards, right up there with their fellow bigot in arms, Cardinal O’Brien.
Here’s hoping Sentamy gets it then.
Anything that weakens our the state religion is a good thing.
Be careful what you wish for, the anglican church is extremely rich and powerful and its membership is concentrated in well off marginal consituencies. An even more homophobic than Williams AOC may be more successful than you think.
Please, please let us disestablish these clowns so that their interminable drivel is not thrust upon us at every turn and everywhere we look.
Nice play with easy predicable end. Even reality show ‘Conclave of 2005′ in the Sistine Chapel was with a bigger intrigue.
OK Lets ban any marriage in church .
No matter who gets the job they will carry on in thier ways.
Straight couples should not be allowed to marry in church because “Some” will give birth to gay children. Next we will be having gay priests :)
I’m all for banning religious marriages. Let those who want a religious element by choice have them solemnised after the civil ceremony, just like France and other countries do. Since we have a state cult, I don’t see it happening unless it becomes even more extreme than it already is which I hope continues. I can just hear them play the victim card and ranting about abuse of freedom of religion at the very notion of civil marriages only as well as disestablishment. Italy managed to pull it off in the 80s, so I don’t see why we can’t. The more extreme religious cults become, the more they alienate, bring it on in droves.
Bunch of “deluded old fools” vote in new “head deluded old fool”.
I’m not too busy at the moment. Send me an application form. I could do a better job than the last one on a couple of evenings a week. (not too keen on the outfits, though)
There is not a straw to draw between all the candidates. They’re all nutters.
There’s a candidate called Cocksworth. I don’t care what his policies are or if he’s better than the others. Having a bishop called Cocksworth commenting on ordaining women and same sex marriage will put it all in such wonderful perspective i really hope he gets it.