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Church leader: Being straight is not a choice, but being gay is still a sin

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  1. lol he can’t make promises that it will say the same in 200 years because he will not be around to see it. Neither will anyone around today be around to see it nor remember he made such a allegation.

  2. MamaMeggie 23 Sep 2012, 1:31am

    So God *made* us sinful? and devoid of grace? Joel Olsteen is an ignoramus. He ‘wants to discuss subjects he understands’ he should try to study more, because it is clear he understands nothing (and nor does he want to).

    1. David In Indianapolis 23 Sep 2012, 8:21am

      Willful ignorance. It is an epidemic among the U.S. conservative Christians. If you try to reason with them they’ll tune you out like a broken radio. They don’t want to listen, they don’t want to reason, they don’t want to learn. They’d rather remain in their magical, biblical land where the world is flat, the sun revolves around the earth, snakes talk and people go for joyrides in giant fish.

  3. WHEN WILL THESE SUPERSTITIOUS FOOLS STOP INFLICTING THEIR HATRED DISGUISED AS FAITH ON PEOPLE WHO LIVE AND LOVE DECENT LIVES – AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE WHOLE OF SOCIETY RATHER THAN JUST HE SECTION THEY DEEM ACCEPTABLE – CHRISTIAN? i THINK NOT!

  4. Christopher 23 Sep 2012, 4:41am

    Cue the Pet Shop Boys.

  5. The last gasp of a dying breed.

  6. radioredrafts 23 Sep 2012, 7:32am

    He only listens to dead people.

  7. Rather than wasting time dealing with OTHER PEOPLES sexuality he should work about a million real problems that actually exist

  8. More brain-dead rantings. from another faith head.

  9. Osteen … [said] that he wanted to stick to “the issues I understand”.

    It’d probably be advisable if he were to just shut up altogether then.

  10. I’ve been out since 1968, and the first time that I saw Osteen my gaydar twitched significantly.
    Gaydar is one of those senses that mere mortals don’t have; another sign of how special and well-designed we are.

  11. Bible was changed numerous times trough history so I expect it to be changed again so I fit in. Again. O yes. Even reincarnation used to be there.

  12. Typical daft thinking usually exhibited by the emotionally immature; “I’M not like that, I can’t imagine being like that [because I lack empathy] so anyone who IS like that must clearly be wrong.”

    Rather pathetic really. Now when’s he going to start campaigning for the re-introduction of slavery, for example, or the right to kill your child if they disrespect you? After all, the Bible says both of those are OK and it’ll still say the same thing in 200 years….. Idiot!

  13. Stupid and incoherent. Not unusual among the ranks of fundamentalists. And I imagine it will still be the case in 200 years’ time, if the economic policies they usually support haven’t led to human extinction by then.

  14. So this god purposely created beings who he deems sinful.

    That strikes me as either one sick god or a deeply flawed fallible one.

    1. ……or a god that this whacko is projecting his own bigotry onto.

  15. Being straight is not a choice, but being gay is still a sin, I know it’s true because it says so on this scroll that just came out of my arse.

  16. These homophobes are hilarious, particularly when they try to sound rational. This one sees the world in a way which means only people of his own kind can ever win. We can’t win with these people, unless we deny who we are and choose to copy them. It’s conformity that they demand. “Be like me!” is what they are saying. In that sense, they demand our adoration.

  17. People believing in primitive camp fire tales and asinine hocus pocus cannot be expected to apply logic or common sense to anything.

    And let’s be honest – religion is a convenient tax exempt dodge, and shilling for dollars by selling hatred is so much easier than being…I don’t know… christ-like in some way (and yes, I laughed out loud at this because we know christians are more prone to cherry-picking hypocrisy than actually living the life their messiah fiction actually demands of them).

  18. What kind of evil is this God, if some of his own creations were made to live their lives in a certain way, only to then be condemned as sinful by their creator.
    And religion wants us to worship this being as as a loving god, who is merciful and good to us?
    I would sooner worship Satan. Who, even though playing no part in their creations, still accepts people for who and what they are.

  19. Robert in S. Kensington 23 Sep 2012, 1:57pm

    Actually, Jesus Christ, threw out, rejected all of the negative quotes in the old testament including the infamous one in Leviticus that the hypocrites, those faux christians use to denigrate and discriminate against gay people. Osteen is a psychopathic liar just as most of them are who oppose our rights. Not one of them can come up with one shred of evidence to support anything they claim, not even the rottweiler in the Vatican.

    1. David in Indianapolis 23 Sep 2012, 8:36pm

      It’s all about the almighty dollar. He’d likely stick needles in his mother’s eyes in order to keep that money rolling in.

  20. “not God’s best work”? Really? I love ya Joel but with all due respect, I WAS BORN THIS WAY.

  21. Paddyswurds 23 Sep 2012, 2:04pm

    Who or why are these idiots being given air time. Are there not hundreds of worthy people to interview to fill air time when needed rather that giving succor to idiots like this.
    No one who is deluded enough to talk about “scripture” as if it were something man should have regard to or live by today, never mind in two hundred years, should be allowed on the air waves or indeed allowed out alone. Ignorance and inadequate education is what drives these people and they should not be allowed disseminate their ignorance and hatred publicly in this way. there may be children listening ffs!

  22. Robert in S. Kensington 23 Sep 2012, 2:11pm

    Osteen obviously ignores the following from the New Testament, how convenient in which Jesus Christ rejected the “abominations” in the old testament:

    “… now we are discharged from the Law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are slaves not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit” (Romans 7:6).

    Furthermore, those faux christians who hold to a few specific Old Testament laws, while they, themselves, do not practice every single one of them is pure hypocrisy.

    Galatians Chapter 3 tells us that when people choose to live by Old Testament Law, they must keep ALL the Law. For those who choose to live by the law, if they break one law, they have broken them ALL. Those who impose one sentence of the Law on another, while not keeping the WHOLE Law themselves, are establishing their own righteousness! This is a total insult to the doctrine of grace, which says that salvation is purely by God’s unearned favor through faith. (Ephesians 2:8-9)

  23. Jock S. Trap 23 Sep 2012, 2:18pm

    Religion:- The True Evils of this world and what almighty Hypocrites they truly are!

  24. disgusted moral individual 23 Sep 2012, 2:48pm

    Chuck says
    ““not God’s best work”? Really? I love ya Joel but with all due respect, I WAS BORN THIS WAY.”

    aedophils use the same exuse regarding their perverted attractions but most never go on to abuse a child and if they did, being born that way would not mitigate the sinful act.
    Sice there is no gay gene however. The claim of ” born this way” holds as much weight as a “born this way” cannibal, s.cat lover, drug addict etc etc.

    1. Please learn to spell before attempting to enter into adult conversations.

      Goon.

      1. disgusted moral individual 23 Sep 2012, 3:12pm

        Thanks for reading. Every little helps! Do you believe that cannibals are ‘born that way’?

        1. As far as choice is concerned people sometimes, in fact quite often, choose to embark upon sham marriages or sham straight relationships with resulting pain for all concerned. Ask Ted Haggard. This is because of the social atmosphere created by people like you, you also have the blood and misery of suicidal teenagers on your hands, You have every cause to feel disgusted. Disgusted with yourself and your ilk.

          1. disgusted moral individual 23 Sep 2012, 4:00pm

            People also choose immoral , disease prone lifestyles that harm even innocent babies. Am I to feel accountable for the paedophiles that commit suicide also, since I condemn such attraction?
            Do you believe that cannibals are born that way?

          2. Get help, keith – for your own sake.

    2. - Peadophiles are not “attracted” to children what they are attracted to is abuse of power over a child, Why is it they always abuse children that they are meant to have a duty of care over? Because its abuse – why do they abuse both girls and boys but live an otherwise “heterosexual lifestyle”? Its all about abuse of power and the opportunities they get to do it.

      Im disgusted that you can compare adult consenting relationships (which aren’t always sexual) with child abuse.

    3. Robert in S. Kensington 23 Sep 2012, 5:01pm

      Nobody knows for sure or not if a gay gene exists, so you’re statement is erroneous. Are you not aware that there are millions of heteros who abuse underage girls, as old as human civilisation and the majority of rape crimes around the world is overwhelmingly heterosexual? Child brides were quite common up until the 18th century. Why even Mohammed himself married a 9 year old girl Aisha, a hetero paedophile by today’s standards. Ditch the fake moral disgust, it’s so transparent and convenient. Get your own filthy collectdive hetero house in order first.

      1. disgusted moral individual 23 Sep 2012, 5:22pm

        “Nobody knows for sure or not if a gay gene exists”
        My reply..
        Nobody knows if intelligent spaghetti exists but the burden of proof is on the claimant to prove that it does.
        You apper to accept that paedophilia exists, therefore, should those that claim they were born that way be expected to curb their immoral desires or accomodate them?

        1. That There Other David 23 Sep 2012, 8:56pm

          Whether there’s a gay gene or not, whether gay people are made by chromosomes or hormonal imbalances in the mother or not, whether we are a product of early life experiences or not, none of that matters. We are here. We have always been here, and there is nothing immoral about us.

          So, how about you get your head out of my bedroom and go solve poverty or something?

          1. AIDS- free and clean 24 Sep 2012, 12:45pm

            consensual adultincest also happens in the bedroom. You clearly believe this is not immoral by your low standards.

    4. It’s the keith troll plus the usual alcohol – ignore him. You’ll get more fun conversing with a turnip.

      1. disgusted moral individual 23 Sep 2012, 6:24pm

        Why not try attacking the post instead of the poster.
        Do you believe paedophiles (attraction to prepubescents)are born that way or are their perverted desires a product of nurture?

    5. Jock S. Trap 24 Sep 2012, 11:56am

      I rest my case!!

      1. .Hi.v disproportionate among /homo-dev/iants. 24 Sep 2012, 3:47pm

        You are an AIDS addled cretin. A victim of your own peversions!

  25. This one’s barmy, too.

  26. de Villiers 23 Sep 2012, 5:09pm

    Surely the more difficult point is that sin requires choice.

    The rationale behind the original sin of Eve is that she permitted herself to be seduced into eating the forbidden fruit. She chose to do so.

    If a robot is programmed to shoot someone, one would not say that the robot is acting immorally. If a person operating under a mental illness kills someone, one would not say that they have acted immorally. Where a person acts under forced duress to steal, one hesitates to say that they have been immoral.

    That is not to equate those instances with the state of being gay. But if one does accept that being gay is, for many people, unchosen then that is incompatible with the concept of sin as explained in the Bible.

    1. Paddyswurds 23 Sep 2012, 10:29pm

      @De Villiers…
      …why is it that you always revert to the Abrahamic cults and their fables in order to try explaining the ignorance and hatred of the modern era.

      How can any sentient being abandon reason in favour of ancient fables, the oral tradition of illiterate desert goatherds, 4000 years ago, who didn’t understand where the sun went at night and were afraid to venture toward the horizon in case the fell over the edge of a flat Earth.
      “But if one does accept that being gay is, for many people, unchosen then that is incompatible with the concept of sin as explained in the Bible.”… and is non of their phuckin business. That is the trouble with the deluded religious. They want to make even those of us who have seen through the evils that are the Abrahamic cults, as controlled, miserable and bitter as they are, nothing more or less.
      A Gay man who panders to these evil concepts is worse than the lowest Uncle Tom and has sold his dignity for a false promise!

      1. Divisive and unhelpful. Appealing to ridicule does not change the fact that these things still are influential in most people’s lives at least in a loose secular way. Which means that, no matter how inhumane the particular values are, they are not just the values of illiterate desert goatherds who lived 4000 years ago. Their influence survived, where the influence of many other ancient religions did not. I agree that, one is not necessarily better than another just because one of them survived. But it did survive, and that makes it a cultural factor to dealt with.

        If a principle is inhumane, let us as human beings evolve past it. And part of what is humane is caring about those who we may otherwise leave behind. That’s why we try to build bridges to foster understanding and help other people evolve as well. And part of that means, at least in an anthropological fashion, reasoning with them using their own values, so they can understand.

  27. That There Other David 23 Sep 2012, 5:53pm

    Wouldn’t it be really nice if just once someone said something like this on TV, and the interviewer just looked to camera, pointed at them, and laughed? This ridiculousness needs to be treated as such.

  28. I’m pretty sure Jesus said that things we cannot control are not inherently sinful..

    1. disgusted moral individual 23 Sep 2012, 6:39pm

      You are pretty wrong that he said that. He did not!
      Paedophiles claim to have uncontrollable urges. Does that mitigate their immoral thoughts or give them licence to act on them?

      Every choice we make is a personal decision. We can act against our impulses if we truly want to be righteous and morally clean. For instance, many have broken free from hard drug use. Where there is a will, etc!

      1. disgusting morals individual, you seem to be unable to distinguish between people who abuse others and cause them harm and people who are expressing consensual love and attraction that is your failing unfortunately and nobody can really help you unless you try to help yourself.

        1. disgusted moral individual 23 Sep 2012, 9:53pm

          Most paedophiles don’t go on to abuse yet their attraction alone is immoral and disgusting, even if they claim they were born that way. Do you agree?

        2. It’s keith, Pavlos. There’s really no way of getting a logical discourse out of him – not with all the patience in the world. When he’s not busy abusing people or attempting to provoke a reaction, he’s incapable of comprehending others’ comments and goes off on a rage-filled rant about unrelated topics to such a bizarre extent that it’s obvious he’s ill. He needs help.

      2. Paddyswurds 23 Sep 2012, 10:33pm

        If you can prove that you came to a point in your life where you actually had to choose to be either Gay or breeder then I will listen.prove that a breeder can be turned permanently Gay then I will listen, until then, stfu……

  29. How about being a pedophile? After all, the bible doesn’t mention pedophilia or child abuse.

    1. Paddyswurds 23 Sep 2012, 10:46pm

      Basically because it was then and still is widely practiced amongst the Abrahamic cults.
      Muslims can marry their nine year old cousins and the Roman Cult has made paedophilia and Sadism a cornerstone of their religion, by going out into the world for the last 1800 years raping and physically abusing little children in their care.
      The Roman Cult still has twelve years old as the age of consent in Vatican City. It only recently abandoned the castration of little boys in order to retain their smooth feminine features and voices which appeal to paedophiles, who are unable to have relations with adults. The Excuse for this barbaric custom was that it preserved their unbroken voices but we have to our cost twigged the reality…….
      They are now constantly calling for Incest and paedophilia to be made law on the back of Marriage Equality for Gay people.
      When is the World going to wake up to the Evil that is Religious faith…??

      1. Pooo should not contactt peniss 24 Sep 2012, 9:32am

        Can you show one instance of child abuse sanctioned by God in the bible. Of course you cannot but that does not prevent you spouting ignorance like the industrial muck spreader that you are!

      2. faecal matter should not contactt peniss 24 Sep 2012, 9:32am

        Can you show one instance of child abuse sanctioned by God in the bible. Of course you cannot but that does not prevent you spouting ignorance like the industrial muck spreader that you are!

        1. Prov 13:24: “He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes (diligently).”
          Prov 19:18: “Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying.”
          Prov 22:15: “Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.”
          Prov 23:13: “Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.”
          Prov 23:14: “Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell (Shoel).”
          Prov 29:15: “The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.”

          1. .Hi.v disproportionate among /homo-dev/iants. 24 Sep 2012, 3:41pm

            Only a moron would equate corrective discipline with child abuse as carried out by priests. You really have lost the plot. Did you know it is legal to administer corporal punishment (smack) on a child yet child abuse (assault) is a criminal offence.

  30. How uncharitable and unchristlike.

  31. Guys. Joel Osteen didn’t choose to be a braindead c*nt. It’s just who he is.

  32. AIDS- free and clean 24 Sep 2012, 12:50pm

    @Paddyswurds
    Breeder?? Are you implying that only heterosexuals have the capacity for breeding?
    We are all capable of acting on or repudiating sinful desires.
    Nobody is born homosexual just as nobody is born a thief. The desire to steal is learned by coveting the possesions of others just as homosexuality is a misappropriation of inbuilt sexual desire, intended between a man and woman. This can be the product of bad influence and association, or exposure. Consider this. Most decent people realize that sca”t is disgusting . Some however go on to develop a liking for pratice they would previously baulk at, often due to experimentation. Are people with that particular perversion?
    Sca”t harms only the pracitioner yet AIDs is spread to innocents babies by sexual misconduct of both heteros and homodeviants. The homo’d male group are are 50 tmies more likely to have AIDS than their hetero counterparts

  33. Just another nit wit looking for publicity. To be ignored. His comments are irrelevant.

  34. Art Pearson 24 Sep 2012, 3:49pm

    It’s only a ‘sin’ if you are a straight man having sex with another man because you can’t get a woman. If you are a gay man having sex with another gay man, it’s not a sin because you are not going against your nature.

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