Why are you referring to the current Christian orthodoxy as the “traditional definition of marriage”? Removed from the very specific (small) corner of the world for a very specific (small) period of history for a very specific (small) number of people to which it might reasonably apply, it’s no such thing. Repeating the line of an organisation which outright rejected the concept in its early history as authoritative is just lazy journalism.
You’re right. The notion that marriage is a life-long contract between one man and one woman is a distinctively Christian idea – which is why a pope advocating it really isn’t news (or a display of bigotry)
People here really need to grow up.
The Pope is conservative, reactionary and wrong. He is leading the Church down the wrong path. His pronouncements harm gay equality and his opposition to contraception harms women. That is as much as it is.
The Pope is not a “liar”. He genuinely believes what he says. In some ways, it is more dangerous that he does. But to brand him a liar is demonstrably false.
He is not a paedophile. No doubt he has disgracefully protected those who were. But there is nothing to suggest that he, himself, is one. The fact that the Church has covered up such crimes is disgraceful and there must be some account. However, it is too tired to wheel-out the same criticism every time Pope Benoit makes a pronouncement.
He remains, perhaps unfortunately, an articulate philosopher and historian. He is not stupid and is not an idiot. That makes it more difficult to oppose Pope Benoit. But he must be opposed properly with truthful arguments; not easy and clichéd ones.
More smarmy words from the gay catholic traitor.
pope might be articulate and inteligent but he is not a great thinker or philosopher, his views are product of dogma rather then immense intellectual thinking
No it doesn’t, you utter lying freak.
And we should take the word of pampered cloistered crusty old virgins who have never been married because?
the same pope who in 2009 UNexcommuncated a holocaust denier
HE was born in germany in 1928 and served in AH’s youth corp.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/erbe/2009/02/05/pope-should-excommunicate-holocaust-denying-bishop-williamson?msg=1 – comments
IMO his idea of traditional marriage is old loney and often drunken priests raping children all over the world.
Why doesn’t this twisted asexual paedophile protector and enabler STFU.
Ratzinger should be banged up in prison for being the CEO of a global paedophile ring.
And on the exact same day the Australian branch of Vatican Inc. confirmed that its priests have sexually abused at least 600 children since 1930.
There’s only one threat to humanity and society as far as I see it, and it’s headquartered in a palace in the middle of Rome.
The real figure is believed to be more like 10,000.
Does he have any proof for what he said? Of course not. Who in their right mind would listen to or take advice from a morally bankrupt cult which knows nothing about love, human relationships or even telling the truth? The vast majority of them are nothing more than psychopathic liars and hatemongers disseminating lies and more lies about gay people.
I think he should just come out of the closet and be done with all this denial.
Do you really want people like him to identify as gay? I’d much rather not.
I am so sick to death of this ugly lying bastard. There I said it finally.
Less of the ugly. I’m sure his Mother thought he was cute. ;)
Sadly no spanner she didn’t, but his boyfriend does!
I wonder when this idiot is going to say anything that will earn our respect. his priests are the ones who are guilty of child molest, when is he going to bring them to the courts for our justice system to sort out. We who were molested had to suffer throughout our lives, the church has never apologized, and we were never believed. yes in my case the molester is dead and has been for some years, ans yes I did think I was over it, but I am not, at my lowest times it comes back to haunt me, 40 years later. Now this ass hole wants to insult me and the man I love, I think he needs to go to hell soon.
Take away all the homophobic nonsense and the apocolyptic vision and he could be making a good case why marriage is important for gay couples and their families as well…
I love that photo!
I love you too Pope Benny!!!
Excuse me…. But….has a Christian, and a gay man, I can categorically say that Jesus didn’t mention homosexuality once in the Holy Bible. If homosexuality is such a great sin then why did the Son of God not mention it once? Futhermore the references to homosexuality in the old testament are all questionable as they are written by man with no insight as to the goals they had for writing said books. In my opinion Christianity cannot exist before Christ therefore the old testament has to be taken with a shed full of salt. It literally isn’t gospel. Xx
The 613 positive and negative laws of the Old Testament do not apply to Christians as Jesus Christ was all the law and the prophets in one man. Namely Love. ‘The Word became flesh and dwelt among us….’. You are right though when you say that He did not mention homosexuality as a word but He did refer to gays by using the word eunuch …which being translated means a man who is not interested or cannot have sex with a woman…..’some are born eunuches and others become eunuches through castration etc etc….’ The New Testament account of Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch who became a Christian through baptism is a good example of how gays are completely accepted by the Lord God because, He made us.. In my opinion Pope Benedict is gay and his pathological hatred of the LGBT Community goes a long way to prove that he is in the closet. A sad, depressing man who is living a lie and is in denial. He really needs to be ignored and we must move on and not be pulled into his downward vortex
Pope Benedict is gay and his pathological hatred of the LGBT Community
Alternatively, he’s well aware that one of the few ways he can maintain his institution’s power is by stressing the importance ‘tradition’ – which, as a form of social control, is much more lucrative than liberalism. How many intelligent and liberated people are going to contribute to the Vatican’s coffers as generously as the unthinking people who accept his authority today do?
there is some interesting text in the bible referring to jesus and what many believe to be a gay solder.
For many centuries before Matthew and Luke wrote their Gospels, the Greek word pais was commonly used to refer to the younger partner in a same sex relationship.
The younger partner was often an adult male but was sometimes a teenager.
The use of pais in this social and historical context leads some to believe that the story of the Roman centurion and his pais in Matthew 8 and Luke 7 tells the real story of the day Jesus met and blessed a gay man.
The biggots choose to ignore this. Spread the word.
Have just read some of the articles on your link. Very informative. I never remember being taught any of this in Sunday School when I was a child. Or it ever being mentioned in Church. But sure, why would it, the Church likes to take the ‘moral high ground’ and if they acknowledged this they would have one less group to hate.
Why don’t you give up your pointless and irrational superstition Marc. The vast majority of Christians in the world don’t share your views on homosexuality. All you’re doing by continuing to practise Christianity is consorting with the enemy.
surely logistically this means the pope thinks gay sex is more appealing than heterosexual intercourse as otherwise it wouldnt be an issue
Damn, he’s on to my plans. Time to think up a different way to destroy civilisation….
OH MY GOD!
We’re all gonna die!!
The world has gone to hell in a handbasket!
Next thing, women will be demanding the vote.
Ban Pedro priests , and allow gay marriage . Screw the Pope !.
Eww. After you ;-)
joo no like espanish espeaking priests? por que?
wow, downvoted for a joke?
I wonder if whoever downvoted noticed the typo in the post to which I was replying?
A ”celibate”(lol) priest is lecturing people on marriage and sexuality !!!!
And human relationships too, like they’d know about any of that. They sure know about sexual abuse though, not just of males but of females too. Lot of people think it’s only males they molested.
Maybe we should live our life’s like Pope Alexander VI !!!! The church would have no problem with that now would it ????
Yep, it’s not global warming or the threat of nuclear war, mass starvation or pollution that’s going to bring about the end of the world as we know it, it’s us gay people and our apocalyptic marriages.
Listen up Ratsi, I want 100, 000,000,000,000 euros in unmarked bills or I book the wedding. Don’t think I won’t do it. You have 48 hours.
Now if you’ll excuse me I have a hollowed-out volcano lair to redecorate and piranhas to pamper…
The Catholic priest of a small village was very fond of his flock of ten hens and a cockerel. He kept them in a hen house behind the parish, but one Saturday night, the cockerel was missing. The priest, suspecting fowl play decided to say something about it at church the next morning. At Mass, he asked the congregation, has anyone got a cock? To which all the men stood up. “No,no,” he said, somewhat flustered, “that’s not what I meant. “Has anybody SEEN a cock?” All the women stood up. “No, no,” he said. “Thats not what I meant either. Has anyone seen a cock that doesn’t belong to them.” Half the women stood up. “No, no,” He said, now thoroughly embarrassed “Perhaps I should rephrase the question: Has anybody here seen MY cock?” All the choirboys stood up.
The response this story deserves!
Clerical celibacy is a much more greater danger to the family, to society, to humanity than gay CIVIL marriage ever could be!!!!!!! You want something really ‘unnatural’ to whine about, Benedict – try looking at yourself and your corrupt organisation!!!!!
What a bloody dildo!
can someone tell pantzer papa that equal marriage is optional and won’t replace current heterosexual one
Equal marriage isn’t optional!
Everyone (gay & straight) deserves the right to marry.
err, term ‘optional’ referes to choice not right i.e if you dont want to get married or marry someone of the same sex then you have a choice/option not to do it
Oh for goodness sake, why do these people talk such bollocks?
Cushy sinecures, palaces full of treasure to live in, the respect of legions of credulous dupes and a lifetime’s supply of expensive designer slippers I think…
Ok rant over – take 2!
His Majestic Popeness (‘Pomposity, perhaps…?)
…His Majestic Pomposity singularly fails to point out how having two people of the same sex who aren’t likely to be marrying someone of the opposite sex is in any way ‘harming’ the notion of so-called ‘traditional’ marriage though…
Now I appreciate the Catholic Church is not widely known for its intelligence in matters pertaining to its bigotry, but you’d think they’d at least TRY to exercise their collect philosophical training wouldn’t you…
After all, it’s not as if they haven’t had nearly two bloody thousand years to think about the bloody issue and come up with some kind of reasoned argument for fcvks sake!
Man in silly hat and dress talks garbage again.
Get in the real world.
On the day ee have found out about the scale of child abuse caused by priests in Australia, you would think he would focus his time on that.
And so continues his race towards irrelevance……
“since whatever is injurious to them is injurious to society itself,”
Well, since society has only benefited in countries where equal marriage has come into effect, the pope is clearly wrong. Ergo, “papal infallibility” is a myth, and his statement can only be based on bigotry. A bigotry is “injurious to society itself”, the pope and his religion is logically a bigger threat to society.
In the medieval Catholic tradition is France named as ‘la fille aine de l`Eglise’, ”the oldest daughter of Church’ (Pope from Poland has adore it). Well, it seems, this ‘daughter’ is adult enough and can make his own decisions. Good.
Remember he was in the “Hitler Youth” I think Hitler threatened the future of the human race. Hypocrite
yeah yeah …. let’s never forget this man was once an adept of one of the most vile ethnic supremacist movements …
Oh. Not all bad then. ;)
In France, as in many other countries, marriage is a civil institution. The state decides who may marry whom. Churches and their ministers or equivalent are authorized by the state to perform marriages. People who perform marriages in a religious context do so by authority of the state. They are deluding themselves if they think they are performing marriages by some sort of divine mandate. Nevertheless, no person performing marriages in a religious context is required to marry two people who according to the tenets of his/her faith are not entitled to marry. Benny and his gang don’t need to perform equal marriages if they don’t want to. He has a nerve trying to instruct the rest of us on the definition of marriage. Even within his own flock opposition to equal marriage is becoming a hard sell.
I never expected to read these words from such an open-minded man…XD
I assume he’s speaking for himself and all his fellow pedophile priests.
The Roman Catholic Church has admitted that its priests in Australia have abused 800 children since 1930. (BBC World Service today) I don’t think that Pope Benedict and his RCC has any credibility at all.
Tell that to the Australian Catholics, whose influence in politics alarmingly appears to be increasing.
I wonder what ‘Ratzy’ would do if you shouted ‘Achtung’ at him?
Will someone please slap the old fool?
This is OUTRAGEOUS! A man with high position like Pope spoke out so much hatred and lie with Jesus’ name. Pope, I hv news for you, Catholic also threatens the future of human nature and society!!! Why???
Imagine if ALL people suddenly become priests and nuns! Nooone will marry, noone will hv kids, EXTINCTION!
It’s very ironic and stupid for Catholic to oppose gays. Unless priests and nuns can reproduce, they’d better shut their vile mouths. Shame on them!
“hence there is a need for policies which promote the family and aid social cohesion and dialogue.”
But only if you’re the *right* kind of family apparently. ..
Religion – discriminating against people for centuries.
… and slowly, but surely, they drew their plans against us.
He must be upset because his position does not have the authority and power it did 1000 years ago.
Whle there were many good people and priests who saved Jews during the war (the polishope JP2 and Roncalli (JOHN23, heres what the church did in germany
http://nobeliefs.com/SIZAN.htm (reverse the 5 capitalized letters and make them all lower case
Silly old so and so
And here am I and me beautiful husband totally unaware that my my love for him would bring down society.
If only I had known!
All it will bring down is these corrupt cults calling themselves religions.
This virgin unmarried man has zero input given his disgusting nature in hiding his cults abuse of children.
OMG why oes this thing have such an infulence over world politics. Its the 21st Century we are out and proud and yet there are many straight couples out there.
Peter: Pope needs to lighten up and accept that homosexuals should be given equal right.
The Pope is an evil man who should not be trusted
Ratzi the Naz1 would be better employed sorting out the mess in his own backyard before making stupid speeches about Gay people.
The paedophile problem in the Roman Cult is still as bad as when it was first discovered …..
‘threatens the future of human nature? Where dis that come from? Oh, your reliable source, the invisible sky fairy!!! of course, he’s always correct, when though he is only an illusionary figment of your imagination.
Honestly… what threat is equal marriage? What threat? Come on… be honest. Straight from your mouth, with no help from your imagination. Is something that is out of kilter from your ideal of normality, so frightening? Just what is so scary about that? Do tell me. Honestly you’ll be frightened of your own shadow if you woke up.
I don’t know if it’s because I am in a good mood today but I thought it was hilarious. The Pope saying gay marriage is going to destroy the world. Hilarious !
As a citizen of England- I am SO SO SO grateful Henry VIII and Elizabeth Ist. They delivered us from popery in the 16th.Century!! Unlike poor France and Italy who are still stuck with it!!!
France has broken its chains a long time ago(1905) however about the situation in Italy you are right it is hopeless :(
Well, France has Mr. Voltaire, Revolution and Church-State separation act 1905. But Italy, this poor country with beautiful buildings and landscapes, has nothing. The films of Michelangelo Antonioni or books of Umberto Eco are very nice, but absolutely powerless against old clerical ideology (Pasolini once say: ‘I am communist – but in my body still is thousand years of rule of Catholic Church’). Sad, but today majority of Italians are terrible depending from rule of television – and this is in the hands of Vatican friend Berlusconi.
The communist Pasolini was very conservative considering that he was against abortion among other things !! On the other hand there is the perfect example of a pious catholic no one else than the Scandal-Ridden Berlusconi !!!
Not quite, John, The roman cult went underground and survived unfortunately. My only regret is that the Catholic Relief Act was ever introduced 300+ years later. A big mistake.
In the days when persecution of these stupid people was acceptable I wish Cromwell and others had done a better job.
The more they bleet, the sweeter will be the victory :-)
a) The comments — taken out of context — were not made on 21, but on 20 Sept.
b) The Pope was not in France…
Need I go one?
Except to say that if anyone can find anything in the Pope’s December 2008 Address to the Roman Curia that mentions ‘the existence of gay people threatens humanity…’ then I’ll eat my hat. Here is what he said, the relevant passage quoted practically in full…
“If the Church speaks of the nature of the human being as man and woman, and demands that this order of creation be respected, this is not some antiquated metaphysics. What is involved here is faith in the Creator and a readiness to listen to the “language” of creation. To disregard this would be the self-destruction of man himself, and hence the destruction of God’s own work.
“What is often expressed and understood by the term “gender” ultimately ends up being man’s attempt at self-emancipation from creation and the Creator.”
Rationalists check stories: never believe all you read.
OH SHUT UP
Not all heterosexuals listen to the language of creation, a daft statement if ever there were. Human society will never diminish, people still procreate inside and outside of marriage, indigenous tribes around the world procreate with several different women at one time, heterosexuals continue to marry with or without equal marriage. Many heterosexual married couples choose NOT to procreate and of course there are many who can’t. So his statement is ludicrous, disingenous and nothing more than fear-mongering and pandering to homophobia. The roman cult does not speak for any others and should be ignored and treated with the contempt it deserves.
In the public speech not just direct words are what matters, but some hidden mind too. The logic of Ratzi is very simple: homosexuality ‘threatens’ traditional family; family is very important for human race; ergo, gay people threatens all other human beings (or ‘human ecology’ in his own words). Its not necessary to be doctor of theology to understand both text and subtext. And this the recent Pope has say many times before and after 2008 (last time, I think, in January this year in ‘Aula Clementina’ for diplomatic corpus in Vatican). Not all gays are ‘rationalists’, but we can check story and read so good as other people indeed. Yes, I know: its a very surprising to found so human capacity in us, this strange animals, so incredible ‘dangerous’ for all the humanity…
I also wonder where the headline ‘quote’, “Same-sex marriage threatens the future of human nature …,” comes from. That is neither stated in the article nor in what he actually said.
Who needs to listen to this crap? As a child I had more belief in the story of Robin Hood that any of the bible.
interesting to note that for all their quoting of the bible if it were to be used in court wouldn’t it be thrown out as inadmissible hearsay there being no-one who can verify its truth.
Further if he wants to quote the bible let him quote Jesus who told the world to forget the old testament and follow the new.
Quite right John, and one of those quotes, the infamous one in Leviticus, was among those which Jesus Christ threw out and rejected.
The only threat to society is the one the catholic church is in denial about… abstinence! The result is pedophiles hidden away and protected in the ranks of the priesthood, moved and protected when necessary to protect the guilty.
The innocent victims of which there are hundreds of thousands around the world live with the torment of their abuse daily and as long as they live.
For the leader of this church to lead a crusade against the moral decay of society equated to equal marriage are the words of a sanctimonious hypocrite, he needs to look inwards at the church before looking outwards at society!
Heterosexuality sure must be fragile!
Conservative Christians repeat the mantra that same sex marriage is an attack on traditional marriage. I should be frateful if someone would explain to me why and how the assertion can be true.
The Catholic Church is becoming a parody of itself.
Gay marriage = the end of humanity.
Having kids kneel before the priest and lick cream from his hairy legs = completely acceptable.
but thats child abuse? and how the hell does “its shaving foam” make it any better? if anything it makes it worse forcing children to lick something which tastes so disgusting
I’m not sure what the shaving foam excuse was all about. Picture 4 / 10, clearly show a can of instant cream and not shaving foam.
Besides, a man wearing socks with sandals is surely a crime in itself?
I expect he cut out pink triangles during ww2.
I’m no scientist, but over-population seems a bigger threat than gays getting married, and we all know the Pope’s stance on the subject of anti-conception.
Jawhol mein Fuhrer
The more comments he makes on this subject ,and the LGBT community in general ,the more ridiculous and irrelevant he sounds and becomes and makes the Roman Catholic Church appear to be an anachronistic joke.
The man’s barmy
The Bible foresees the Catholic church and the cults similar to it, its strengths and hypocritical downfall in Romans 1:22-32.
How many wives and concubines did Solomon have? Or King David? Or the Borgia’s, for that matter? What “tradition” are we talking about?
I would have thought that all the kids put off sex for life by the most efficient paedophile organisation in the world disguised as a religion would have had a much more devastating effect.
Let’s play a game:-
Guess how many kiddies concealed beneath Poppy’s smock.
The one who guesses to the nearest 100 wins…
The way the Pope carrys on I am begining to wonder if there is only one sin left in the Holy Bible, that of homosexuality. It seems that theft, murder, adultry, avarice, sloth, gluttony, lust, rage and envy are no longer sins. Perhaps pride is a sin as well, but only when it is gay pride! Like other decent people I find the Pope very tiresome. Even grass roots Catholics are coming round to our way of thinking. It is Sunday today and no doubt Catholic priests would have been preaching to rows of empty pews as attendances fall. In Ireland, once a staunchly Catholic country where 85% of people went to church regularly, only half the population bother nowadays.
re Ireland –
Expect more nutter from this paedo protector as he fights the modern version of the naxis battle of the bulge
which he has already all but lost.
Once solidly cath france//////////////
this is the same pope who in 2009 UNexcommuncated a holocaust denier
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/erbe/2009/02/05/pope-should-excommunicate-holocaust-denying-bishop-williamson?msg=1 – comments
he’s 85 – his trip to hell is around the corner
Quite frankly, I think celibacy is more harmful to humanity.
Catholic also threatens future of human nature and society!!! Imagine if ALL people become PRIESTS AND NUNS. Who will get married and procreate, huh??? Go figure!
I wish this old bastard would do the world a favour and drop dead.
It is self evident that priests who ‘molest’ children and bishops who cover it up are a threat to cicilised values,
IMO his idea of traditional marriage is old loney and often drunken priests raping children