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San Francisco: Supervisor Wiener asked to ban public nudity in ‘cock ring’ row

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  1. Staircase2 14 Sep 2012, 7:12pm

    So let’s get this straight (pun intended…)

    It’s ok to walk around naked just as long as you don’t have a cock ring on because it ‘draws attention’ to ‘that’ area…?

    Sheesh!

    1. Chester666666 14 Sep 2012, 7:21pm

      I think the idea is that cock rings are sexual which is why there is an issue

  2. Supervisor Wiener or Wiener supervisor? You’re pulling our collective plonker!

    1. ROFL BRILLIANT really made me laugh.

  3. Robert in S. Kensington 14 Sep 2012, 7:29pm

    So if a naked female is aroused, she can be arrested too? Nipples can become more rigid and prominent when aroused aside from the clitoris. What a stupid rule.

  4. What about nipple piercings and/or shields on women? Or has that been ok? Stupid assumptions made about cock rings.

  5. Wiener wants to ban cock rings ….. now what headline :)

  6. This is so funny a welcome change from all the doom and gloom usually portrayed on here – I love it ! I can imagine Huw Edwards reading this on BBCNEWS at 10

  7. Isn’t the guy in the picture Aaron’s boyfriend in Emmerdale?

  8. Midnighter 14 Sep 2012, 8:48pm

    I’m not an advocate of such things personally, but I’ve seen a minority of guys wearing them in nudist contexts in Europe and so far none have been aroused. I’ve raised concerns with the wearers about the health and safety of hot metal in such areas but apparently this isn’t an issue I’m pleased to report.

    I would have thought existing laws regarding arousal and sexual conduct would be sufficient, and the prudes who aren’t used to seeing such things should chill out and stop making waves.

  9. Geoff Jones 14 Sep 2012, 8:51pm

    So why not just have a ban on wearing cock rings – and vaginal rings – in public? Banning nudity is like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

  10. another non story, thanks PN

  11. don’t think there should be any nudity in public except in designated areas such as specific beaches, saunas, bars etc… where people that don’t want to see it won’t stumble across it by accident.

  12. :o

    Blimey… offended by a ring now? Best remove my nipple rings then, in case someone gets offended with them showing through my vest!

    What ever next, Cock Ring licences?

  13. I don’t like the idea of people walking about in public streets with cock rings. Sorry.

  14. Spanner1960 14 Sep 2012, 11:23pm

    Beaches and segregated areas are OK for those that want to walk around starkers, but nudity on the street is pretty gross all round. Adding the sex toy aspect makes the whole thing even more sordid.

    1. Nude is Natural 15 Sep 2012, 1:41am

      Prudie McPrude strikes again! Remind me never to invite you to any cocktail party of mine!

      1. de Villiers 15 Sep 2012, 7:28am

        Your cocktail party would be private – no?

      2. Spanner1960 15 Sep 2012, 8:12am

        Why not? Would you be worried I might actually show up?

  15. I find people walking around wearing religious symbols and clothing pretty offensive. If I complain loudly enough then will those be banned?

    “Some people don’t like it” isn’t a good reason to ban anything. The only reason to ban something is that it causes harm, either to the individual doing it or especially to others. A mild sense of discomfort is not harm.

    1. That There Other David 15 Sep 2012, 11:41am

      Indeed. Maybe if you have friends in The Castro District it may be an idea to put this line of argument to them to ensure it’s used.

      I wish people could get around the idea that nudity is a bad thing. Unfortunately we’re all a bit brainwashed by childhood conditioning into thinking such. Only Germans seem to have the balance right.

    2. Its about public decency 16 Sep 2012, 2:42pm

      what about severe projectile vomiting from the sight of severely overweight and hairy old men – the fact that they haven’t seen their penis in years does not mean that everyone else has to check that its still there for them.

  16. Christopher 15 Sep 2012, 1:38am

    Meanwhile, women’s tits are EVERYWHERE.

    Why do we live in such a penis-denying society? Why do men wear tuxedos looking generic while women get to wear original, unique, body-revealing gowns?

    Misogyny, and the sad fact that men can’t really change their shortcomings… that’s why money and power are so glorified.

    I’m poor and happy – draw your own conclusions!! ;-D

    1. Spanner1960 15 Sep 2012, 8:14am

      I think there is a whole different thing to seeing some girl’s baps on display as opposed to being exposed to ‘the last turkey in the shop’.

      1. That There Other David 15 Sep 2012, 11:42am

        Why though? It’s all just bits of human when it comes down to it.

        1. Spanner1960 15 Sep 2012, 6:33pm

          Sure, but I’d rather not be exposed to some ageing bear with his nads on display when I’m eating my lunch.

          1. Christopher 16 Sep 2012, 12:45pm

            Then that is your OWN phobia. No need to assume that your preferences are somehow condoned by everyone else, o smug boring one. Double standards and social conditioning, thy name is Spanner1960.

            You don’t speak for me.

  17. Gay Activist Paul Mitchell 15 Sep 2012, 1:59am

    Why do people have a problem with nudity. I am not a nudist myself, but I know a few of them and it harms NO ONE!

    Gee wiz people get jumpy over tiny insignificant little things these days!

    He must have caught the ultra-conservative Republican bug while he was travelling to Texas 4 months ago!

    1. de Villiers 15 Sep 2012, 7:30am

      I cannot understand how you can suggest that people who are offended by seeing naked men with penises in cock rings in public are nothing better than ultra-conservative Republicans.

      It is you, I think, who are on the margins.

  18. I feel a certian amount of restraint is in order. If a person is walking around naked and gets aroused what is he to do? The interesting thing is what about women and peicings? Equal rights mean equal responsiblity. If the law allows it now, and it is known in this area then the people that are complaining do have the right to move out of the area. please do not take a step backwards.

  19. I’ve lived for over two decades just two blocks from the epicentre of this Castro nudity. It’s a very busy intersection, public transportation hub and traffic, both vehicular and pedestrian is virtually around the clock. However, the whole nudity thing is very recent, and the number of nudes, mostly unattractive male attention seekers varies according the weather. Speaking of weather; everyday, at approximately 4 PM, there is a blast of cold air that swoops down Market Street from the Swish Alps, and why anybody wants to stand in dick-shrinking wind baffles me.
    The reality is that these men have overstayed their shock value, and most of us don’t even notice them – they’re just not interesting! A few years ago, the city created a “parklet” as an urban experiment, and also to redirect traffic away from another street that intersects this already wide and busy intersection. The initial concern was that creating seating was going to invite hordes of vagrants and create a problem.

  20. continued: The vagrants tend to hang around the other side of the street, and the nudes sit/stand in the parklet.
    There are few public events in San Francisco that do NOT feature nudity; Bay to Breakers just celebrated the centennial of that race and it’s populated every years by nude men, women and children; often a family of grandparents, parents and children run it naked. Everybody knows about Folsom Street, blah, blah, blah.
    Scott Wiener takes over the supervisor mantle from Bevan Dufty, and like his predecessor he focuses on unimportant issues and tends to favor big business, to the detriment of the residents of District 8.
    Paying too much attention to naked geezers is absurd. If you don’t like nudity, do as I do when I’m running errands, ignore them and get on with your life.

  21. So are that also banning nipple piercings?

    What about ear rings – especially those vile ones that go though the cartilage at the top of the ear …. Jesus they are vile!!!

    1. Perhaps then, dermal and trans dermal implants will also have to be banned. Some people really are becoming obsessed with anything that pushes the boundaries. Honestly… how the heck can ‘ear scaffold’ cause offence? I have stretched my lobes to 32mm, and I love them. They’re a conversational piece and I love the attention… especially from those who claim I have mutilated my body! So! Get over it!

  22. I thought the purpose of the rings was as something men can wear and seldom ever have to take off, that helps raise penile blood pressure in lieu of erectile dysfunction medication.

  23. We have become PRUDISH.

    This is what happens when you become mainstream and conservative.

    Bring back the old days of our freedom.

    1. Spanner1960 15 Sep 2012, 6:36pm

      What “old days”? You are deluding yourself.
      There was never a time when people could walk the streets naked.
      I like a fit body as much as the next guy, but let’s face it, most of us are not modelling material, and if I want to see naked men, I can go find a porn site instead of having to suffer that.

      1. Christopher 16 Sep 2012, 12:51pm

        All you do is subscribe to this whole body fascism concept. It’s amazing that you don’t see that by doing so, you also negate your own self and worth as a human being while you do that to others. You are a judgemental aging single man with nothing much going on in his life, and wish to make everyone else around you as confined and as miserable. You do NOT speak for me. Go peddle your conformity somewhere else.

        1. Spanner1960 16 Sep 2012, 6:46pm

          I have plenty going on in my life thanks.
          I just don’t happen to subscribe to the same things many of you do. Obviously you are still young and/or fit enough to pass muster, but give it a few years and see what the rest of your beloved “community” thinks of you when you are past your sell-by date, (which these days is 30 and decreasing).

          I’d rather be a conformist with a proper life than a reactionary flake like you who will end up regretting his past.

  24. Must be my British culture but I’d rather not see anyone nude when I walk out my front door.

    Trench coats, high collars, toe-length skirts – that’s the way to go! hehe!!!

    1. That There Other David 15 Sep 2012, 7:14pm

      “Trench coats, high collars, toe-length skirts – that’s the way to go! hehe!!!”

      LOL. Add in a pair of leather gloves and you’ve just described Darth Vader :D

  25. I don’t really get it why male frontal nudity is such a big deal by comparison to female frontal nudity.

    Provided that the little guy is not saluting, who cares? If a woman squats, she exposes the intimate areas of her genitalia, but a man cannot be expected to somehow hide his penis. Where is he going to put it?

    Stupid prudish crap.

    Where I come from, it is not uncommon to see full frontal male and female nudity during the daytime in advertisements on TV.

    Where I live, it is completely ordinary to see pictures and moving film of women breastfeeding with nipples and areolae showing in all media at all times of the day.

    No one gives a damn.

    Where I was born, is a Scandinavian country and where I live is a conservative Latin American country.

    All this naked is dirty and shocking nonsense is very anglo saxon.

  26. I often visit naturist resorts in Europe and find them very liberating places to be. Naturism is not actually “sexual”. This summer I noticed a few men wearing leather cock rings and I actually felt quite upset. They were clearly cruising for sex and it just wasn’t the appropriate time or place.

    1. So you would be okay with them cruising for sex so long as they weren’t wearing a cock ring?

      Or are you assuming that they were cruising for sex because they wore cock rings?

      1. Spanner1960 15 Sep 2012, 6:39pm

        Well cock rings are to enable an erection.
        What else did you think they were for? Somewhere to keep your napkin?

        1. And yet men who wear them have a habit of wearing them all the time, like a normal accessory, including all the other times they be socially naked and not seeking sex. In consideration of that, I think it’s inappropriate to judge someone as being sexually explicit just by virtue of wearing the ring.

          1. Spanner1960 16 Sep 2012, 8:12am

            That’s like saying you permanently wear a condom as a fashion accessory. Please stop assuming others are as naive as you are.

        2. That’s exactly it – people don’t usually practice social nudity wearing a condom everywhere they walk. But they do wear these rings all the time. They’re meant to be a legitimate appearance accessory above and beyond their potential use, just like piercings.

          1. Spanner1960 16 Sep 2012, 12:25pm

            So nobody is stopping you wearing them in private, or clothed. I personally find piercings and tattoos revolting, but each to their own. Cock rings are not some adornment, they are essentially a sex toy.

        3. Maybe once they were chiefly a sex toy. But now people wear them as normal accessories, and it has become normal for many men in nearly all nudist contexts. There has been a cultural shift in this case that accepts them in more situations as a benign accessory, and this just happens to be a topic where cultures are now clashing.

          And, as I said, I don’t wear them…nor do I strip in public. I just give courtesy and nonjudgment to people who do. Is it so wrong to try to understand and empathize with neighbors who have differences like these, and to want not to pass judgment on them? If they’re being peaceful, it’s just another case of live-and-let-live as far as I’m concerned. We get past any culture shock, we adapt, and we get on with our lives. That’s the cosmopolitan way.

          1. Spanner1960 17 Sep 2012, 7:31am

            OK, let’s drop the ‘sex-toy’ label.
            How about ‘intimate apparel’?
            That would put them in the same category as crotchless panties and peephole bras.
            Please tell me where I can buy such an item apart from a sex shop, or somewhere that sells sex toys.
            They are hardly the sort of thing you are going to find in a menswear store, and until such time, I recommend they stay in the bedroom and off the streets.

  27. Speaking as someone who neither wears these rings nor has a tendency to strip out and about…

    It is my understanding that the rings are a more or less permanent fixture – though they have a sexually beneficial function, they are usually still worn during the >99% of the time when men are not having or anticipating sex, because they may just be practicing social nudism. And most of the men wearing them are older, right? Exactly the kind of men who might otherwise be taking frequent ED medication anyway. It doesn’t bother me in the slightest if a man wants to wear the ring while nude out and about, because I’m not willing to make such a snap judgment about their intentions from an accessory that I know very well is commonly worn and rarely taken off.

    For many people, nudity has a liberating social factor, and chances are they do not exist to get you off. It’s peaceful, it’s nonthreatening. I say let it be, and try not to assume so much.

  28. Katie Kool-eyes 15 Sep 2012, 11:13pm

    this story made me lol

  29. The perversion lies within the mind of the viewer, not the nudist. Being from a family with a long history of being naturists, males from 5 to 95 can get incidental erections, which everyone ignores and normally fades within a few minutes.
    The showing and squeezing of breast cleavage in a tight blouse is far more sexual than a cockring.
    Any laws that prevent a harmless act, only on the basis of “I don’t want to see that” is a direct assault against a person’s freedom of liberty and expression. If an annual WNBR nude bicycle ride in dozens of cities world wide, with a collective millions of viewers, has yet to cause a single spectator’s eyes to melt out of their head or a child to become a sex offender, then there is no reason to simply erase such arbitrary laws completely. There is no reason to teach a child to be shameful of their own body.
    God made me.
    God doesn’t make junk.
    The much larger crime is the senseless genital mutilation of infants known as circumcision.

    1. Spanner1960 16 Sep 2012, 8:14am

      You can blame your God for that one too.

      1. Christopher 16 Sep 2012, 12:59pm

        We can also blame Spanner for doing nothing but being a lemming when it comes to the status quo. What a bitter, unimaginitive conformist you are, and you expect everyone else to adhere to your own personal outlook of buying into society’s controls. You seem so proud to be boring – are you sure you’re not American? Just because you see yourself as not worthy of being seen nude, does not mean anyone else does, nor should they in turn be denied the opportunity to be nude themselves. This idea of only fit people being suitable to be seen is a discredit to the whole human race. The disabled, the quadraplegics, the aging, the differently-shaped and sized deserve to be free and seen too. You are the enemy of all, based solely upon their looks!! What a piece of work you are! Get the spanner out of your own ass before it starts rusting.

        1. Spanner1960 17 Sep 2012, 7:40am

          I don’t know about you, but I like to live in a society.
          That means having to sometimes go with the flow, do what is expected and accept what the majority wants. It just so happens that most of what I want, everybody else wants, so I’m happy. That doesn’t mean there aren’t things I’d like to see, like the public flogging of rioters, and hanging paedophiles, but I guess I’m going to have to wait a bit longer for that.

          If you cannot accept being part of society and want to be less boring, I suggest you buy your own desert island somewhere where you can display your nubile, Adonis-like body complete with cock-ring to the world and not have to bother the rest of us.

  30. Sue Des Nimes 16 Sep 2012, 2:44pm

    How about everyone just puts some clothes on?

    Nudity is fine in private NOT in public.

  31. Hello? They’re already naked.. how is a cock ring attracting “more” attention to their genital area?

  32. Paul Halsall 17 Sep 2012, 8:47pm

    Most people look better with clothes on.

  33. NutjobsareeverywheretheUNtoo 18 Sep 2012, 1:19pm

    J don’t understand what the cock ring has to do with it ?a cock ring designed to draw attention to the area ? Isn’t this also true of earrings ? They can’t have a big work load!!

  34. as a politically progessive, tolerant gay man who lives in the castro neighborhood I implore city government to ban public nudity. I am sure some of the architects of this social experiement had good intentions however my neighborhood has now been overrun by every pervert from 100 miles of here greasing up their genitals and waving them in everyone’s face. please give me back my neighborhood. I beg you.

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