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  1. But they ARE bigots, Nick!

    1. Craig Denney 14 Sep 2012, 1:15am

      He needs to announce that the ‘Gay Marriage Bill’ will be in the Queens Speech in November at the LibDem Autumn Party Conference and if he doesn’t, then ‘say goodbye’ to any future for your party in politics, Mr Glegg.

  2. I don’t see why he is writing a letter of apology for something that he never said.

    1. He should have said it and he shouldn’t apologise!

  3. Why are you apologizing. You did not call them bigots. Is thought now a crime. Anyway they are bigots and you should have said it.

    1. Yes it would seem there is thought crime in Britain 2012. Bigots are now demanding their human rights and we all need to be trained in sensitivity diversity so as not to offend them.

  4. P.A.Newton-Adams 13 Sep 2012, 2:13pm

    It’s shocking that we broke away from the Church years ago, over the control the Catholic Church had in England, yet we still let these religious people decide that we can be and to, they are bigots and it disgusts me, but then most MP’s are spineless and this just proves it.

  5. See? No principles at all…

  6. Why is it addressed to the church leaders only? At least its not a grovelling apology directly to Bone who is a bigot.

    Oh dear Nick, time to shut up I think. Your losing support from all sides.

  7. Who is surprised that Nick Clegg is being spineless? The fool is counting the days until he and his waste-of-space party are voted out of government.
    Yes, opponents of gay civil marriage are bigots, but frankly it comes down to whether we want to get down to their level and trade insults at them or if we want to take the moral high ground. Personally, I love getting off my hight horse and rolling around in the mud with what are essentially men in drag. But maybe that’s just because I don’t mind getting my hands dirty.

  8. And where, may I ask, is Cardinal O’Brien’s apology for calling marriage equality “grotesque”?

  9. I fail to understand why Parliament cares so much about what the Church thinks. The Church has no say whatsoever in the law, yet Parliament seems to be so worried about upsetting them!

    You choose to be religious, you choose to ignore logic and facts… but you don’t choose to be gay… which one is unnatural?

    1. The church or at leastthe church of england, does have a huge say in the law, they can appoint 26 voting members of the house of lords (the upper house of the UK parliament), and the supreme head of the church of england (the queen of england) can veto any laws she doesn’t like.

      1. de Villiers 13 Sep 2012, 9:40pm

        When was the last time the Queen vetoed a law – I’m genuinely interested to know?

        1. Paul Halsall 14 Sep 2012, 10:18am

          Queen Anne was the last British monarch to veto a law passed by Parliament, and that was in 1707. [ See ] Even then she acted on the advice of her ministers.

          Later monarchs exercised influence, but never again withheld royal assent, and in fact it would cause a constitutional crisis if the Queen did that.

          That does not mean the Queen exercises no power – before the Tory party held leadership elections, she had to discern who was going to be Tory leader, and effectively chose Harold Macmillan over R.A. Butler, and she has an important role in choosing who to first ask to form a government in the case of a hung parliament. The present Queen has always exercised these powers with guidance from constitutional experts and as neutrally as possible. (The same role has to be exercised by presidents in other countries, such as Ireland or Germany which have a “weak president/Strong Prime Minister” set up).

      2. de Villiers 14 Sep 2012, 7:29am

        I have found the answer. The last occasion on which a monarch vetoed a law was 1708. It was the Stuart Monarch, Queen Anne, who refused to give her assent for a law, passed by the Parliament, to establish and Scottish army.

        1. de Villiers 14 Sep 2012, 7:30am

          – a Scottish army

      3. I’m not keen on the 26 Lords Spiritual, but as they number 26 out of more than 750 with voting rights it’s not exactly a huge say, is it? (Still 26 too many though, I agree.)

  10. Kevin Jones 13 Sep 2012, 2:45pm

    pathetic wimp…cant believe I ever voted for him…twice!

    1. I only voted for them once and I’d like to say there won’t be a second time, but I’m not sure if any of the other parties are actualy any better.

      1. Still, that isn’t a reason NOT to vote. Abstain from ballot box and we’ll have to contend with another FOUR YEARS of this inept, categorically evil government. I mean, Labour had its flaws, but – f__k me – what does it take for people to get out and vote? Cameron to *personally* strangle a disabled person to death at the behest of the financial quarter?

      2. Suddenly Last Bummer 14 Sep 2012, 10:01am

        Well you’re both fools then.

  11. Well, I think they are bigots. Moreover, I think it is useful to call them out on their bigotry.

  12. WHAAAAAT? The Church has used the excuse of “freedom of speech” to insult LGBT people for years, and I don’t see any letter from them apologizing.
    In any case, he didn’t even say it! And even if he had said it, there is plenty of evidence that it’s the truth.

    1. AMEN!!!

  13. Liam Godden 13 Sep 2012, 2:49pm

    What a shame that he DIDN’T describe them as Bigots, because that’s exactly what they are. GROW A PAIR, NICK! Your actions make Gok Wan look like Chuck Norris, ffs!!

  14. Robert in S. Kensington 13 Sep 2012, 3:00pm

    To this day, Rowan Williams has NEVER issued an apology for the great harm his church and it’s predecessor the Roman church have caused gay people throughout the centuries and to this day, we are still being villified, denigrated and dehumanised, especially by the Catholic church.

    Clegg should NOT have issued an apology since he did not say it. I suspect whoever leaked the original speech did so on purpose, maybe a non-supporter of equal marriage.

    We should demand apologies from all those religious bigots who’ve equated equal marriage with incest, polygamy and bestiality. Abominable to think they can get away with that and we are supposed to say nothing to upset them? Why should a minority of “believers” get to dictate what a secular government can and cannot do?

  15. Robert in S. Kensington 13 Sep 2012, 3:03pm

    We should all bombard Clegg’s office voicing our disapproval and his kow-towing to bigotry. There was a time when the CoE supported slavery, racism in fact and that was never referred to as bigotry because of religious beliefs. It’s time for someone to start setting the record straight and nailing those bullies once and for all.

  16. Spineless wimp!

  17. Robert in S. Kensington 13 Sep 2012, 3:08pm

    According to Nicolas Chinardet’s article on PN this week, he quotes, using the Merriam-Webster dictionary….a bigot is “a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance.”

    What part of that does Nick Clegg not understand and for that matter, those religious nutters in opposition?

  18. I am offended that Nick Clegg DIDN’T choose to call them bigots.

    If I complain loud enough then will he write me a letter of apology? I would think that he owes a lot more to me, who actually voted for his party in the last elections, than to the bigoted old Tory homophobes in the church, who almost certainly didn’t.

  19. Pavlos Prince of Greece 13 Sep 2012, 3:13pm

    Are we back to the past, when just joker of royal court is allowed to say the truth? But its politic – here nobody wish play this role.

  20. They are bigots.

    Anyone who believes that a law-abiding minority does not deserve equal civil rights is a bigot.

    I think Nick Clegg should also issue an apology to the LGBT community for the disgusting decision to put our equal civil rights up for public consultation.

    Did you notice that yesterday Nick Clegg said he HOPED we woujld get equal marriage.

    These spinless @$$holes are backing away from equality and this unnecessary apology simply shows that the government is too cowardly top take on the religious cults.

  21. Lazy journalism guys. This isn’t an apology. He doesn’t say sorry, he doesn’t say that he called them a bigot. He clarifies that someone else used a word that he didn’t agree with, and didn’t use. That is not an apology.

    1. It wasn’t exactly an apology but he does say that the use of the word in a previous draught was a “serious error”. I’m horrified that he is having to kowtow to those religious “BIGOTS”!

  22. Why did he not use the word Bigot? Why did the party office withdraw the remark? Why did he apologise?

    The definition, as recorded in different dictionaries, of the word is:
    A] One who is strongly partial to one’s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ,
    B] a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own
    C] A bigot is someone who holds predefined negative views about a class of people. Examples include anti-Semites, homophobics, racists, religious extremists of any religion.

    The word BIGOT was the correct word. Mr Clegg should have had the courage to use it and not be a political wimp. He either holds his pro-gay / pro gay marriage views or he does not.

  23. Dave North 13 Sep 2012, 4:08pm

    I really am sick of these “christians” putting us down, slandering us, forcing us into second class citizenship in order to appease their stupid deity and then whining when they get called what they are.


    1. Don’t blame the cults.

      Blame successive governments for refusing to stand up to the cults; and for their refusal to separate church and state in this country.

      Blame successive governments for giving taxpayers money to these cults.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 13 Sep 2012, 4:52pm

        I’m all for disestablishing the CoE but most politicans wouldn’t touch that one with a barge pole. They are just as afraid of them as their American counterparts are but in America, it’s a vote killer to oppose them. The first step towards disestablishment is to get rid of the unelected House of Lords that is infested with 26 Anglican clerics, one or two gay friendly ones but that’s it. The current composition of the HoL would mean that if Lords reform takes place, all 26 of them would face losing their privilege to sit there. I just don’t see the British public prepared to vote for a bishop. That’s why there is so much opposition to reform by the Tories.

        It’s not just successive governments who are to blame, its the uninformed, indifferent electorate for putting up with it in the first place.

        1. Robert in S. Kensington 13 Sep 2012, 4:54pm

          The latest edition of the British Social Attitudes Survey, which will be published on 17th September 2012 will show that only about half of Britons as a whole now say they have a religious affiliation, sharply down from 20 years ago when it was two-thirds. Barely a quarter of young people now identify themselves as religious. Fertile ground for starting a national campaign for disestablishment in tandem with the National Secular Society.

  24. Look at his final paragraph : ” I hope that the serious error that occurred will not cause lasting offence”.

    Let’s see now if they can let it go – turn the other cheek – or will Carey and his cronies go on and on and on about Christians being “persecuted” in the UK.

  25. Oh Nick, don’t be so spineless.

    They are bigots, call them out and treat them as such.

  26. When are you people going to realise, it’s only hatespeak if we say something if a BIGOT says it , that’s freedom of speech.

  27. Point is that Lord Carey effectively self-identified as a bigot, so there was no need for Clegg to retract or apologise

  28. Chester666666 13 Sep 2012, 4:44pm

    Why apologise for something he didn’t say? Why apologise when bigots is the accurate term to use? When will the bigots apologise for their hateful nonsense?

  29. The BIGOTS will grasp at any straw, however ridiculous –
    Nick Clegg did NOT
    – call anyone bigots!
    – the word was in an early draft of the speech, written by a speech-writer!
    – the draft was released by mistake and retracted immediately the error was discovered.

    Peter Bone and Lord Carey both owe Nick Clegg an apology for their ridiculous insinuations not to mention their over-hastey response.

  30. That’s Pathetic. How low can he go? Would he also apologise for calling racists simply as racists? This demonstrates in what side this man really is when it comes to his politics and hierarchical position, and what to expect from him when push comes to shove. Mind you this is the most progressive part of this ConDemned coalition… you can imagine the rest …

  31. Paddyswurds 13 Sep 2012, 5:11pm

    The Concise Oxford Dictionary
    bigot n. obstinate and intolerant
    adherent of a creed or view; hence ~ED2 a.,~RY (4, 5) n.[16th c. f. F; orig. unkn.]
    It is evident that the vile preacher Carey doesn’t own a dictionary. A bigot he is and always has been, and is trying to confuse the matter by claiming not to be a bigot while all the while ably demonstrating that he and a lot of others belonging to his detestable creed, clearly are, to even the dimmest listener, Bigots…..

    1. I’m not sure Carey is actually a bigot. Having met him I think he’s so stupid that he doesn’t even know what he’s saying half the time.

      1. Paddyswurds 14 Sep 2012, 10:57am

        ….Oh don’t be fooled by faux innocence. It is just another weapon in the arsenal of bigotry deployed by this type of bigot. I know I will catch some ire from some who are fooled by these people but I find that those who share the Abrahamic delusion of a supernatural deity are all bigots ; It’s just that some of them are adept at hiding the dagger under their cloak until you turn your back. Those that say they aren’t homophobic have learned to be deceitful and are probably more dangerous than those who are in your face with their hatred……..

  32. Spineless, grow some.

  33. A day of unnecessary apologies, , for calling bigots, bigots. And for freedom of thought,expression for watching a movie. We are becoming slaves to religion again, where is the progression?

    1. Paddyswurds 14 Sep 2012, 10:59am

      Only a fool will become a slave to religion…

  34. We call women haters misogynist and persons who hate blacks racist ,why should people compromise with the truth ????

  35. Craig Denney 13 Sep 2012, 5:59pm

    What are you going to do now Nick, now that Lynn Fetherstone is not around anymore to save the day?

  36. What? Now this cringing doormat is reduced to apologizing for things he hasn’t even SAID? YOU COULDN’T MAKE IT UP!

  37. Oh Nick,

    Bigot is exactly the right word for these religious fundamentalists…

    …and caving into bullies does not set a great example Nick.Pandering to these bigots gives them a false credibility which will just encourage such behaviour which will simply have to be faced down again in future.

    If it sounds like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is a duck!

  38. Why is he apologising, its a statement of fact, not opinion.

    1. Why indeed . . .

  39. Peter & Michael 13 Sep 2012, 7:21pm

    Why apologise ! the church didn’t want Civil Partnerships, they only agreed because it was not equal to marriage. Mr Pickles is quite right if a church wishes to solemnize a same-sex marriage, so be it.

  40. Mumbo Jumbo 13 Sep 2012, 7:50pm

    One more reason to join us on the British Humanist Association/National Secular Society “Campaign for a Secular Europe” march on Saturday:

    Put a stop to this kind of grovelling by making yourselves seen and heard and help remove the unearned privilege of religion.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 13 Sep 2012, 8:30pm

      Count me in, Mumbo! Imagine if hundreds of thousands of people from all across the country joined in sending a clear message that the time has come to ditch state religion.

  41. Give it some more time, and soon we will be officially and unapologetically treated as extremists simply for wanting equal civil rights … Actually this is already the language being used by some in this coalition … We are the extremists who could end up in trouble for calling someone a bigot. Thanks Nick.

  42. Dangermouse 13 Sep 2012, 9:00pm

    A bigot by any other name ………………..

  43. Pathetic





  44. Nick shouldn’t have apologised. But maybe he should have called anti-equal marriage people something REALLY horrible and totally inaccurate – and then just claimed it was his ‘deeply held religious belief’.

    After all, it seems claiming that gives you carte blanche to use abusive language, discriminate against people and tell downright lies.

  45. PeterinSydney 14 Sep 2012, 4:49am

    Why apologize? They certainly are bigots.

  46. BiGOT is being over used.

    Nobody can say or do anything without being called a bigot or something on that line.

    Really need to find a new word. So tiresome.

    1. What do you suggest? Nauseating religious hypocrites?

  47. Nick or whoever wrote it, is only telling the truth and if the truth hurts, then ask why.

  48. Spanner1960 14 Sep 2012, 7:51am

    What a complete and utter cop-out.
    If you have the guts to accuse somebody then one should equally have the guts to stand by those words.

    The likes of that slimy little turd Peter Bone must be rubbing their hands in glee at this turnaround.

    Being a politician isn’t just about spouting words – it is believing in them.

  49. So Clegg has to apologise for something that was never actually said; while Cardinal O’Brien can call gay marriage “grotesque” and continue prancing around making no attempt to justify his deliberately offensive language?

  50. Absolute coward. Inexcusable to say that we shouldn’t be ‘insulting’ them when THEY have been insulting US for years. Sorry, I’m not going to be nice to oppressors, and I AM going to call them bigots, and I don’t freaking give a damn if their ~poor widdle feelings~ are hurt by that. I’m too tired and fed up of being discriminated against by them.

  51. Well what a spineless chicken sh!t!!

  52. Cardinal Capone 14 Sep 2012, 3:33pm

    Never mind apologising to homophobes, just nominate 30 atheists and humanists to the House of Lords to balance the bishops and other religious figures who are there purely because of their religious beliefs.

  53. Why should he be forced to apologise to this bunch of idiots who talk to invisible sky fairies; he was speaking the truth..

    Whats the matter churchy wurchy, truth hurt does it? Ahh, diddums… would churchy wurchy like a bot bot of milk?

    Go to bed and shurrup!

  54. Can I have an apology for the apology?Because I find it offensive that he is sucking up to the religious freaks.

  55. Pathetic weakling.

  56. There are two reasons why he shouldn’t have apologised:

    First, they’re bigots.

    Second, even if that weren’t enough: he didn’t do anything. Even if calling bigots bigots were a bad thing, he didn’t do it. It was in a draft of a speech, not the speech itself. You don’t apologise for all the times you NEARLY insulted somebody and then held back, that would be ridiculous.

    He’s a spineless coward.

  57. Daniel White 27 Nov 2012, 8:42pm

    Nick they ARE bigots, you should call them out as they are. ive no doubt this conservative MP is married, if so, he is a bigot. anyone who is married who speaks out against marriage equality is a bigot by definiton. If people are against marriage equality and don’t want to be called bigots then for heaven’s sake DON’T GET MARRIED.

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