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US: New bill would ban equal marriage on military bases

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  1. Robert in S. Kensington 12 Sep 2012, 8:00pm

    I was under the impression that clergy of any denomination were exempt from performing or recognising same-sex marriages. Isn’t a military chaplain regarded as clergy? From what I know of civil law, only authorised registrars, judges, justices of the peace and other non-clergy are allowed to conduct a civil marriage, on both sides of the pond.

    1. Indeed a chaplain is a priest and therefore he or she can’t perform marriage in most christian denomination. In Canada, I may be wrong, only the United Church clergy is allowed to perform gay marriage and my denomination does not make such a fuss about gay marriage we do it that’s it. If a clergy isn’t comfortable with it he or she may refuse to do it. So why this new bill? It is just a way for those stupid bigot to make them better in their own view than other. What a bunch of stupid morron.

    2. In the common law tradition, civil marriage is one recognised by the government for legal purposes, while a religious marriage is one recognised by your god. In common law countries, a civil marriage can be created through either a civil or religious wedding.

      Anywhere you can get a same-sex marriage in the US, it can be celebrated by anyone licensed to celebrate weddings, religious or secular.

      Unfortunately, the UK government has created great confusion by referring to “civil marriage” when it means “civil weddings”. It is (or was) seeking to permit same-sex marriage through civil weddings only. No other jurisdiction which usually allows legally binding religious weddings has introduced such a rule.

  2. Had to be a Republican!

    1. I feel sorry for them. The Republicans are digging their own grave, and I am sure there are a few Republicans who disagree with this whole nonsense.

      1. If there are Republicans who disagree, then they need to start making their voices heard.

        While we fight for equality here, at least those in all parties are making their voices heard for both sides which is commendable whether we agree with those voices or not.

  3. “Further a chaplain is not required to participate in or officiate a private ceremony if doing so would be in variance with the tenets of his or her religion.”
    Why do the religious types always ignore this point when making statements? They are NEVER forced into things they do not want to take part in. But are more than happy to demand all of society play the game by their rules.
    It makes me so sad. :(

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  5. David Waite 13 Sep 2012, 3:21am

    Pink News, Senators Inhofe and Wicker want to thank you for assisting their little fundraising scam with publicity. Did you totally miss the significance of both gay and mainstream American press’ utter indifference to this phony “bill?” The current Senate is controlled by Democrats, who will never let this bill come to the floor. The current Senate expires on 01/03/2013, and all pending bills die with it; this bill would have to start all over again in the next Congress.
    This bill isn’t mere wankery by the 2 senators, though. They will both trumpet it to their monetary support base, who will praise the lord and pass the checkbook. They are going to fundraise off a bill that has no hope of enactment.

    1. Fenris Wolf 13 Sep 2012, 2:46pm

      David, why don’t you SHOVE your cynicism right up there next to your aorta – south to north. I was going to say that Inhofe is “flavor of the month, if ‘ass-hat’ were a flavor,” but YOU take the cake.

      1. Dan Filson 13 Sep 2012, 2:54pm

        But David’s analysis is right.

      2. Fenris Wolf, I suppose you have an alternative view point you care to share?

  6. Robert White 13 Sep 2012, 6:27am

    So, get this, there are these people, you know, in my country who keep marching around under, like, this totaly banner that’s, like, totally all religious freedeom or whatever, and like they want to take away the religious freedom of like these military dudes who, like, might want to perform a gay marriage or whatever, just because they are, like, in the military or something. Iknowright? What tools, or, like, whatever!

    [/end valey-girl] 8-)

  7. This is nothing but fodder for re-election in this dudes conservative district. He knows full well the President would veto it (if it even got out of Congress). And he know DOMA will be thrown out soon by the Supreme Court. Basically the man is a moron.

  8. Robert in S. Kensington 13 Sep 2012, 12:54pm

    To me, it’s just another red herring used by the right wing religious nutters who have infested the republican party. No surprise it would be a conservative pushing it.

    They know damned well that clergy aren’t forced to marry a same-sex-couple. Every state that has legalised equal marriage has made it quite clear and enshrined into law. This is just an exercise in fomenting intolerance and hatred of gay people. Let’s face it, only 8 republicans supported repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, compared to virtually all democrats who voted positively and who now overwhelmingly support equal marriage.

    It’s the same red herring our own religious nutters use to stir up opposition and threaten MPs with defeat at the polling stations.

  9. Tom Cotner 13 Sep 2012, 3:15pm

    I, living within the state that Imhofe represents, am fully aware of his cynical and homophobic view of the world around him. Unfortunately, he does speak the mind of many Oklahomans, who are, basically the many buckles on the bible belt, and follow his every word as gospel.
    Granted, he is an idiot, but we put up with him as long as there are enough other idiots to return him to office.
    Bloviation has met its zenith in Imhofe.
    You should all take his words and actions with the petty grains of salt they represent.

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