“They are saying don’t bring your faith into politics.”
I like how she says that as though it is a bad thing… of course they’re saying that, and so should everyone else. She can believe what she wants to believe but as soon as she starts trying to impose her notions of morality on other people via the political arena, she’s crossed a line.
Exactly what I was going to say.
Political decisions should be based on reasoned arguments and facts, not dogma.
It’s an interesting fact that these religious fundamentalists position themselves in mainstream organisations and then cry foul when they wish to promote their bigotry…
…if they’re so sure that they are in the ‘mainstream’ then they’re free to set up their own religious party where they would be free of of being expelled…
… or elected!
“It raises a big question – can Christians serve in the public realm?”
No, they are not questioning her right to continue as an Independent councillor, only that she shouldn’t continue as a Green councillor now that she disagrees with them on a core belief.
Yes, you can be a Christian if you want but you should not allow those beliefs cloud judgement on what is civil matter.
We live in a democracy and not a theocracy.
I agree, but technically, we do live in a theocracy. We have a state religion headed by the monarch whose motto is “Dieu et mon droit” (God and my right), a coinage emblazened with “Fidei Defensor” (Defender of the Faith) and a legal system that has taken a handful of biblical references and adapted them into law. Then we have an unelected House of Lords among them 26 Anglican clerics who get to say who can and cannot have rights.
A very welcome reminder Robert – this historical legacy has deep roots, and so long as any faith has such hold on our society we cannot consider ourselves to be truly democratic.
Yes you can be a Christian, be in the Green party and also very importantly sign the pledge for equality – otherwise stand as an independant. It’s not hard to understand!
“It’s discriminatory against Christians. It’s a typical symptom of prejudice, blatant prejudice.” – she squeals without a hint of irony.
She broke her contract, it’s that simple.
Not just with her party but also with the voters who elected her
Christians like Ms Summers who are deliberately provocative and then cry ‘Persecution!’ when they’re held to account, should be deeply ashamed; their self-righteousness prevents them having the faintest idea of what religious persecution is about and they clearly haven’t heard of the Pakistani Christian child in fear for her life because of that wretched country’s blasphemy so-called laws which have claimed several lives. Christianity has much to answer for but not, I think, the idiocy of some of its adherents wishing to make headlines.
[“They are saying don’t bring your faith into politics.”
I like how she says that as though it is a bad thing…]
That was my first reaction too! Why is she even in politics if her faith is more important than the job she’s signed a pledge to do? Perhaps she should move into something less taxing for her morals, like gardening.
Its great to see someone standing up against the homosexual agenda.
Do you still beat your wife?
Here is my homosexual agenda for the rest of day.
Pick up car from garage.
Nip to shops for milk and bread.
Feed dog and cat.
Scary isn’t it.
Omg, ace comment.
You need to get yourself a Hobby .
It must be horrible being you ….
I think that we should be hailing Cesar, with sticks! What a moron you are spending day on a gay website. Methinks someone has issues to deal with
Clearly he’s subject to the heterosexual agenda, poor little thing!
Likes Us more than he thinks ,he spends way too much time on Gay Topics ,so what’s stopping him from doing the same with Gay Porn .
Who’s that trip trapping on my bridge?
I smell a troll.
We elect politicians to vote on our behalf on all matters. We decide on who to vote for by looking at the parties’ manifestos. Councillor Christina Summers has thrown the equal marriage section out of the window, stuck two fingers up to her constituents and voted for herself. The good people of Brighton and Hove will no doubt show their disdain come polling day.
The is something that the french invented called ”Laicite” witch should be the norm in all the world.There should no religion in public sphere whatsoever and thats the only way discrimination can be eliminated
She signed a pledge, so what is she moaning about.
Go independent dear! The electors will sort it out at the next election!
She betrayed the Greens.
It is simple – knowing her religious beliefs were going to govern the way she votes then she should have run on a religious party ticket instead of using the Green’s brand to get elected. The women has proven to be a fraud.
Says were prejudice against christians and its discrimination ….. Shes claimin discrimination when discriminating against us ?
What a bitch
“It raises a big question – can Christians serve in the public realm? They are saying don’t bring your faith into politics.”
If this is so important to Christina, she could have stood as a member of the BNP or UKIP. Both of those parties share her belief that same-sex couple should not be entitled to marry.
I do believe people incapable of basic rational thought should not be elected to public office – any-where.
Yes EVERY-ONE should have freedom of religion and belief, but here is the problem, that applies to other people too; so, YOU cannot impose your belief on others by law, coerce ion or indoctrination.
Now since religion is a belief (deeply and sincerely held or not) it is a choice – it can change by a single thought- it does not come into the same category as ethnic origin/race or sex/sexual orientation/gender identity or handedness these are “birth rights” its in our DNA, not a deeply and sincerely held thought!
I think the Green Party clearly recognised this and so they clarified their belief in equality by getting candidates for public office and office holders to pledge specifically they understood that the discrimination of BELIEF by which a political party organises itself has basic principles which they set out in a pledge.
Every time I hear this phrase “deep and sincer
Every time I hear this phrase “deep and sincerely held belief” used as an excuse to violate the freedom of others and to impose or deny to others the very same freedom claimed by themselves my mind screams – hypocrite – bigot.
If it’s sincerely held beliefs that are important, then look no further than Hitler!
Sincere or not, her views are bigoted however you want to phrase them!
Good. She signed something and she must have known she personally didn’t agree with some parts of what she signed – so she was dishonest.
She’s not being discriminated against as she’s perfectly entitled to hold her beliefs but she shouldn’t be part of a party that stands for equality when she’d deny other UK citizens equality.
Who’d want to vote for her, believing she stood for equality only to find she’d stabbed you in the back by voting against it?
(and I did half wonder if this was some kind of set up. I note some extreme Christian groups are mentioning ing her and asking their supporters to pray for her)
The god-botherers are really going for an Orwellian distortion of language in all this, aren’t they? If they aren’t allowed with impunity to manipulate secular laws that others of different faiths and none have to live under, and plainly do it in line with their own sectarian beliefs, and break clear undertakings they have given in order to do it, they are being ‘discriminated against’.
I personally believe in atheism but I wouldn’t vote against someone’s right to a religious marriage and I have no problem with people choosing to believe in God, just don’t force it on the rest of us by political means. Bringing her faith into politics is inappropriate. If she were that sincere in her personal beliefs, she would have withdrawn by her own volition immediately equal marriage was on the table. She didn’t and violatd her pledge to uphold the policies of the Green Party. What she did was fraudulent and dishonest when she signed the pledge. Not something a genuine christian would do. She needs to go.
A little off topic but you cant ”belive” in atheism but you can have a disbelief in a certain god
All gods, surely?
In my view, atheism is also a belief system, belief in the non-existence of a supreme deity as creator of the universe and life.
Spot on Robert.
Of course you are right but i meant that the certain god ”yahweh” is not universal
@ Robert in S. Kensington
I was born in a secular society were were god was not even mentioned anywere so when i heard the idea of a ”god” I found it confusing and contradictory so i rejected it !!! So tell me what in hell do you mean that that you belive in atheism ??? Every one is born with a lack of belief in god you can only chose to believe or reject his existance
Jerry, I’m not going to get into splitting hairs with you but atheists also choose to not believe just as “christians” choose to believe. I was born and raised in the catholic faith that I long ago rejected and renounced for atheism so I heard about god from a very early age. I believe as an atheist in the lack of scientific evidence to support and substantiate the existence of deities. and their supernatural powers. End of.
Not quite. You are missing a key word I think. “atheists MAY also choose to not believe”.
Yes, for some they have the religious upbringing which they then CHOOSE to reject.
Fort others, as Jerry mentioned previously, religion was not a part of their upbringing, as was the case for me.
So choice MAY be there in my view.
Of course, one could argue about whether man’s natural state is to have supernatural beliefs or not – history suggests we’re pretty good at concocting all manner of explanations for our environment, and the fewer facts the more imaginative the explanations become.
Ach, it was poor phrasing, that’s all. “With regard to religious beliefs, I personally am an atheist,” would be a better way of phrasing it, but we all phrase things clumsily from time to time.
I don’t really know what business this devoted Christian has in being in the Green party in the first place: I mean surely (like her US counterparts) she must think God Will Provide, even in ecological matters; and anyway don’t such devotees believe the Life Of The World To Come is more important than the present one?
She can’t be a devoted christian if she’s judging others and voting for discrimination. It’s all a fraud. The majority of them don’t practice or promote what Jesus Christ said or did and that includes the CoE and Roman Catholic hierarchies.
This is why these fundies are so dangerous.
They fully expect ( indeed want ) the rapture and to spend eternity supping on the teat of their deity.
To hell with those of us who wish to fully live this life and not some imaginary hereafter.
I never knew god had a heart did you? Since when have supernatural deities had them I’d like to ask her.
Discriminatory against Christians? Wow, she sure assumes a lot about a LOT of people…
I would, if asked, label myself as a Christian*, but this child by no means at all represents any of my views in any way.
Typical bleating of a Fundie, hell bent on forcing her nonsense down the throats of others.
In fact, Alternet had an excellent article for her to review to judge if she is really being oppressed or not.
(*to be fair, I also consider myself a Buddhist and a Spiritualist and a highly rational scientist as well, so I am sure I am going to hell or something in her eyes.)
It amazes me how just this is! I only wish it would work like this everywhere else.
You were elected because you promised something. You broke that promise and it is only right that you have to go. In fact, you should lose the job entirely and immidiately.
‘Ms Summers said: “When you touch marriage, you’re touching family, and you’re hitting at the very heart of God, and I have an enormous problem with that”.’
Yawn. I have an enormous problem too… its warped, deluded individuals like yourself that are causing so many problems in society. Why not just keep your konk out of other people’s business and look to sorting out your own yard first?
I wonder if this is the sanctity of Britney Spears and her few days marriage.
Or the “consummated” version whereby it is not sanctified in her deities eyes if they do not sh@g and herr pope can annul it.
Just who is monitoring all this sexual or not activity, in order to fulfil her very limited idea of human relations.
Priests. Gods. Big Bird. Just where do these lunatics get off.
What amazes me is that despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary they still cling to this stupid god notion.
Fine. Have that notion. Just keep it to yourself dear woman.
PS. I was on the Archbishop Cranmer web site earlier and was picked up by “The Inspector General”. on this storoy
“Fascist Green Party expels Christian councillor over gay marriage ”
I had huge fun telling him why he was removed from this forum.
Tastefully done of course.
Many people ‘of faith’ are politicians and often go against their faiths’ teachings to ensure equality for the UK’s citizens.
I’m an SGI Nichiren Buddhist – I don’t expect everyone to follow the same teachings – I also don’t impose my beliefs on others.
This is no different to if she’d stood on a Green platform, then voted in favour of building coal-fired power stations.
Nothing to do with religious persecution, everything to do with breaking promises to her party and electorate.
Of course she’s quite welcome to stand for the council again, but having shown herself clearly against Green Party values it should not be under a Green Party banner.
She’s nothing more than a Trojan Horse anyway IMO.
Others have mentioned this but I will too because it drives me mad. You can’t claim you are being discriminated against when you are asked to refrain from discriminating.
What a silly, evil cow.
I’d quite like a cup of tea, would anyone else like one?
As usual-That there Other David has managed to put his finger on the very essence of this situation. Is this lady purely a ‘stalking horse’ for the Christian Institute? Was she deliberately planted on the green party-n Brighton of all places-KNOWING she would be expelled (lets face it-its been no secret of the Greens 100% support for LGBT-friendly policies)- in order that the CI can take YET ANOTHER case to the courts screaming their usual “Christians are persecuted” phrase?
If Summers didn’t want to embrace party discipline on this issue, why on Earth did she join the Greens in the first place? She knew that they were pro-gay before being appointed to council.
This woman “really needs to embrace gays”.
Who else is going to fix that stuffing she keeps on her sanctimonious head.
And PS Councillor Christian:
Your bible tells you as a woman to keep your mouth shut. Ever read your “good” book.
Probably not. The religious never do.
I don’t recall Jesus saying, “You must be born again- then enter politics to force your distortions of my teachings down the throats of everyone else by enacting laws you think I want.”
When you vote against equal marriage, you’re touching family, and you’re hitting at the very heart of God, and I have an enormous problem with that.
Poor old God – having to put up with this nonsense – marriage as it’s known in the Christian world is a social and cultural construct – God’s only dragged into it to bolster dodgy theology.
I wouldn’t want members of other political parties to be expelled for voting against party lines if they were to vote in favour of equal marriage, and this sounds like a potentially dangerous precedent. Does anyone know more about how all of this works?
It is obvious that you people are hypocrites. You believe in free speech and tolerance but only when it agrees with you!
And it’s obvious that you can’t read a story. This lady apparently signed an equality charter then reneged on it. Nothing to do with freedom of speech. She agreed to something and then backed out, and, as she says she’s held her beliefs for a long time then one can only think that she dishonestly signed that pledge.