Back some months ago around the time of the Tel Aviv pinkwashing sham “pride” a lot of deluded queens on these threads were extolling the virtues of the oh so equality minded Israeli government. If this was nor is the case, why are so many young Israeli Gays killing themselves. not the Utopia you all screamed about then? It seems to me that the treatment being meted out to the Palestinians isn’t exclusive and anyone who doesn’t fit the religious homophobic racist Israelis gets the same treatment even if they are Israeli, but born Gay…..that is not to say that the American and British statistic are any better and are also the fault of the bigoted homophobic religions and their cohorts in the Law and Justice Homophobic Tories Likewise the homophobic Teabaggers in the US and their cohorts in Washington DC.
However history will judge these people harshly and rightly so, but that will be cold comfort for the loved ones of those who were forced to end their own lives …. ….. …..
Religious people in Israel don’t always have the same stance towards the government. In fact, the local or community rabbi usually has very much authority in conservative communities. So much that whatever government says really doesn’t matter. Some communities prohibit computer use outside of employment needs.
On top of that, education is split to allow for community needs. There are schools that have only religious students, there are regular state schools, there are state schools which teach in Arabic for the Israeli Arabs.
Whatever one’s stance on Israel or BDS or Israel tourism ministry promoting tourism to Israel, this specific issue does not have that much to do with the government directly.
Yeah, yeah………trying being a gay man or a lesbian in Palestine.
So you get the religious persecution of 2 countries for being gay, plus the racist, jingoist, and economic persecution by Israel for being Palestinian?
The religious issue isn’t being completely exacerbated by the whole apartheid thing making it far worse for gays in both countries, right? It’s not like people are making excuses for the persecution of an entire people and justifying it by citing further persecution of that same group?
There is no vicious cycle of persecution and that old saying from WWII that goes something like ‘First they came for the jews, but I am not jewish, so I said nothing. Then they came for the muslims, but I am not muslim, so I said nothing. Then they came for the atheists, but I am not atheist, so I said nothing. Then they came for me, and there was no left to speak out against them.’ is wrong?
I hope when the Palestinians get set free they will be able to say we had the help and support of the gays and lesbians, because even if they weren’t okay with homosexuality right off the bat, it gives a damn good starting point to turn things around.
I dread them being able to say that gays and lesbians were among their oppressors and those calling for continued persecution of Palestinians, fueling further anti-gay animus and cementing the belief that gays are bad people.
I think it is a safe assumption that gay teenagers EVERYWHERE are more likely to attempt suicide.
Yes, everybody knows that, but you are missing the point.
What is groundbreaking about this study is that it shows the link between LGB(T?) suicide and religion.
This type of study urgently needs to be done in other countries, to compare the suicide rates for evangelical, Baptists, Catholics, musclims and mainstream protestants, and between public schools and religious schools. I suspect there will be dramatic differences, with enormous implications for public policy.
Where can we see the report?
Religion is poison and the leading cause of death of LGBT people everywhere!
Agrreed, with and addition….Religion and the ignorance it embraces!
its the same orthodox mentality which is responsible for continuous oppression of palestinians that makes young gay people to commit suicide
I’ve always taken a rather sceptical view of such research findings and think they all come with a large health warning.
All such studies can seek to demonstrate is that there are higher rates of self harm and suicidal ideation in such groups. That in itself is difficult to be 100% conclusive about given potential biases in such reports which are difficult to control for.
This is a different matter from actual completed suicides which are difficult to study (though not impossible).
I am more interested in what factors there are that prevent people going on to complete suicide, promote resilience that public policy, schools etc can implement in this vein but am not aware of much research in this area.