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Brighton: Mum’s pride at son who stood up to anti-gay ‘bigots’

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  1. What a brave young man and I hope that he may change his mind about taking it further. St James Street would be covered in CCTV which would help his case and those responsible for his injuries need to be caught and punished.

  2. This guy is a total legend! Shame there aren’t more like him

    1. Julia Ford 6 Sep 2012, 3:17pm

      Adam! There are more like him and i know that to be fact after a recent problem i had i had . The younger generation are not so bigoted as the old ones.
      I agree he is a legend and shoud be comended for his bravery.

  3. What an amazing young man. Almost brings a tear to my eye. And a great mum who has brought her son up so well.

    1. PantoHorse 7 Sep 2012, 3:51pm

      Me too – had a little tear when I read that.

  4. Personally I think this problem is going to get worse now that Brighton Pride is now a paid event.
    I walked around Brighton on the day and the town was empty of gays. It was all young, raucous teenagers and older heterosexual couples.
    This is a far cry from the days when Brighton used to be full of gays for one day of the year. In the future the town itself is going to become too dangerous for gays to venture in on their own, they’ll be safely segregated in their own park behind a fence.

    1. Spanner1960 6 Sep 2012, 3:26pm

      Don’t blame Brighton Pride for trying to finance their endeavour.
      Blame the tight-fisted LGBT people unwilling to put their hands in their pockets to support it.

      1. No, there is a distinct difference in Pride these days now you have to pay to watch, mostly second rate acts (some of whom don’t turn up) in a noisy, expensive and cruddy atmosphere.
        A few years ago the Pride floats were followed by thousands of people as it went on its way through the town – most people followed along.
        That isn’t the case anymore and the few tatty floats, none from gay owned businesses in the town as far as I could see, no longer have the feel and atmosphere.
        The gay population of Brighton engaged with it and people travelled from far and near to march along.
        We, a group of us who would normally have followed on to the park watched the parade start off, then went for a few beers and some lunch.
        Make it a free event again, make the park open not a ghetto, and you’ll find IMHO it all goes down better.

        1. ‘Engaged with pride in the past, not this one’

        2. That doesn’t solve the problem of funding, Paul. Prides are not cheap events – especially on the scale of the Brighton and Manchester ones – and if people don’t donate money, the organisers have three choices: 1) hold a far smaller free event, at a location that probably can’t safely support the expected number of attendees 2) cancel the event entirely or 3) charge an entry fee.

          Simply saying “well, it should be free!” doesn’t do squat to fund the next event. Security. Toilets. St Johns Ambulance. Acts. Support crews. Just a few costs straight off the top of my head. Even Sheffield Pride, a relatively small event next to the likes of Brighton, has to charge an entry fee now, just to cover those basic costs. And why? Because people don’t support the events! I had free entry this year, being a photographer, but I still donated the entry fee anyway, because it felt correct to do so.

          1. @ Carl(2)
            Kudos to you for highlighting what is involved in managing a Pride event!

            Here in Canada, I compare the cost of a meal out or ticket to a show or concert which can be significant to the cost of what I pay to attend Manchester Pride on a long week end pass.

            For around 5 pounds a day I get to be in a great friendly happy and secure environment, with great selection entertainment in multiple venues, and well maintained facilities. I find myself bewildered by why when I find it great value whilst so many complain negatively. So sad when so many people and volunteers work tirelessly to make it a great success that other are not appreciative of these great events to show our LGBT unity.

  5. Garry Cassell 6 Sep 2012, 3:12pm

    Very proud of you Jack for your action…I wish there were more people like you here in Canada too…You are a real role model….

  6. Spanner1960 6 Sep 2012, 3:24pm

    I’m in two minds about whether this was very brave, or very stupid.

    One has to hand it to the lad for his courageous stance, but equally, one wonders about the considerable risk he was taking, as he could have quite easily been killed.

    Sometimes it is better to walk away so to live another day.

    1. Hypercube 6 Sep 2012, 4:14pm

      I’m in two minds about you and your actual stance on gay people….

    2. While I see what you are getting at Spanner, that is part of the problem with society today. Too many people turn a blind eye and walk away. Yes, it could have gone the other way and been a hell of a lot worse for the young man, but is anything, it could make the perpetrators think twice next time in that they will never know if someone else will make a stand against them.

      1. Spanner1960 6 Sep 2012, 9:01pm

        I totally agree. One has to weigh up the pros and cons, but it’s difficult to judge because this half-arsed rag of a newsfeed cannot even say how many people were involved, but there has to be a point where one decides it is safer to walk than confront.

        I am a big guy, and not afraid to get into a scrap, so my criteria would be different, but one 18yo up against a number of possibly drunk, potentially violent thugs is another matter altogether; even so, I still know when the odds are against me.

    3. mark young 6 Sep 2012, 6:32pm

      you’re unbelievable. first you say we shouldn’t have laws about hate speech, then you think people should just walk the other way when they’re verbally abused. so what you think is that people should be able to verbally abuse us, and we should just ignore them because , like the senile nursery rhyme you quoted the other day, “sticks and stones…….”

      1. Spanner1960 6 Sep 2012, 9:06pm

        Precisely. How would you prefer it? “Sticks, stones and bottles?”
        I protect the free speech of anybody, no matter how bigoted they may be, because the alternative is considerably worse.

        It all depends on the circumstances as to whether I would confront people – if I felt I could without any threat of violence (or could handle the violence should it ensue) – then I would step in. Otherwise yes, I would walk away. I don’t think there any conflicts in my beliefs whatsoever.

        Word are just words. Had it been the case of somebody being beaten up, then I would have risked my personal safety, but that is an entirely different matter.

      2. He’s got a point-one guy making a stand against a load of boozed up punch happy scumbags is not going to end well.

    4. It was brave. Bravery and an overriding instinct for self-preservation don’t really go together, do they?

      1. Spanner1960 6 Sep 2012, 9:12pm

        That is what defines bravery: it is going above and beyond what would be normally expected whilst risking one’s own personal safety.

        However, there are degrees, and there is a thin line between being courageous and honourable for a cause, and just wasting one’s life for no purpose. Had this boy died because of his actions, honourable though they may have been, what purpose would that have served anybody, least of all his own?

        1. I suspect truly brave people don’t spend time weighing up the potential effects or consequences of their bravery. If he had been killed in such circumstances I would guess the public outcry would have been enormous, and who can tell what revised approach to crowd control or protection for minorities marching there might have been as a result?

          1. Spanner1960 7 Sep 2012, 11:18am

            Like I said, there is a thin line between brave and stupid.
            Where that line is defined is how one ascertains the risk, and what one’s goal is.

            There is simply no point in getting killed just for some thugs mouthing off.

          2. I think we agree, however, that bravery is seldom the result of a considered risk-benefit analysis.

    5. If you are in two minds, then find a psychiatrists . . . or rather, make that two!!!

      1. Spanner1960 6 Sep 2012, 9:12pm


        1. The feeling is mutual . . .

    6. While taking your point on board, surely we should celebrate his bravery. Policemen and soldiers risk their lives to defend us, this lad has no uniform, but that doesn’t make him less of a hero in my eyes!
      Perhaps one day he will wear a uniform, and will continue to take risks, will you still look on him in the same way?

  7. Jesus Moran 6 Sep 2012, 3:56pm

    God bless you jack , we wish you a speed recovery , thank you so much for showing us all there still good people out there.
    Jesus and Tim
    Miami beach

  8. Just to say a big thank you to a very brave young man.The point of the young not being so bigoted as older people is very true. I am 75 and ashamed of many of my contemporaries thinking.

  9. Thank you Jack. Your bravery showes there are good people in this world. The power of what you did is a light that will shine brighter than any intellectual castrated and unconscious thug.

    I am proud to be in a world with a man like you.

    Thank you!

  10. Well done Jack, the LGBT community is certainly grateful for people like you!

    So good to see heterosexual people taking a stand on behalf of our community, we should always remember our allies that fight in our battles too.

  11. Any straight guy who stands up to bullies of any kind is to be commended

  12. It takes great strength of character to stand up for the rights of others in the face of adversity. So it is even sadder that Jack Young suffered this attack and sustained his injuries.

    Had he not been injured we might never have known of his attempt to bravely defend and advocate the rights of others to co-exist.

    Sadly the fact that he does not have confidence in the system to find and punish those responsible! This has to speak volumes about why so many people in the LGBT community don’t speak out because the system fails them with predictable regularity.

    1. I attended an Equality & Diversity Forum in my town recently. Hate crimes are monitored, though thankfully rare here, but the Police and local authority seem unable to devote resources to preventing gay-bashing, focussing on race crime instead. Educating hatred out of society has to start in schools, Police officers discouraging young kids from using homophobic language could have a real effect over a period of years, but only quick fixes seem to be funded.

      1. It could work and it would be a nice thing to happen but in times of no money these are the types of activities the police (I know, I am one) for the most part of the country do not have the money or resources to dedicate to.

        I would hope that schools were teaching this (I thought it was part of the PSHE curriculum) to pupils in any case and if they they are being taught it by teachers and not listening they are the type of kids who pay no attention to police officers teaching it.

    2. I agree, Steve-R. He has shown a tremendous amount of courage. As LGBT people we, sadly, don’t get much choice as to whether or not we are the targets of abuse. It comes with the territory, unfortunately. It shouldn’t, but at the moment it does.

      This young man didn’t have to. He could have walked on. But he didn’t. Young people like this make me hopeful for the next generation, as the hate of the past continues to decline.

  13. There are guardian angels and heroes out there who would stand up for what is right. I’m very touched and inspired to do the same for someone in need, be it an individual or a community that might be different from my own.
    Thank you Jack! Thank you Sue!

  14. mark young 6 Sep 2012, 6:29pm

    what a brave lad. and he’s straight. true hero.

  15. And I’m proud just to be the same species as Jack and his mum! They are a credit to the human race.

  16. Excellent and honourable young man, excellent mother. Much admiration for both.

  17. Pavlos Prince of Greece 6 Sep 2012, 9:38pm

    Has this Green party member from city council of Brighton and now not change this mind, that opposition against gay marriage is something very moral, no?

  18. Christopher 6 Sep 2012, 9:59pm

    What is truly perplexing is why str8 men hate gays. And don’t tell me they are afraid they are, too. You’d think they’d be glad that all the goodlooking, fit guys want each other and are not competing for a woman’s attention!

  19. Helge Vladimir Tiller 6 Sep 2012, 10:08pm

    I’ve just got another brother : Jack Young. Even though HE is 18—and I’m almost 71—HE is the best brother I could ever dream of. A warm and good upbringing I’m sure–due to a wonderful mother ! Greetings from Norway !

  20. Not trying to rain on the parade or anything, and I do think it’s great and very nice of this guy to stand up for us – but plenty of LGBTQ people have done the exact same thing before. And they’ve gotten nothing from it; no praise, no news articles. This type of thing goes on every day for us and most people completely ignore it, so why when it’s a straight person suddenly it’s such a big thing and they’re “so brave” and “amazing” for enduring what we basically go through on practically a daily basis?
    Sorry if this comes off as ranty. I just needed to get my feelings out.

    1. Well said.

    2. The praise is because he didn’t have to. We don’t choose to be the victim of this abuse, it’s sadly part and parcel – currently – of being LGBT. He made a *choice* to place himself in that position, to defend others. He didn’t have to, he could have walked away and no one would have thought any the worse of him. But he didn’t. He stood up and got assaulted for it.

      So yes, it is very different from what happens to us LGBT people. We don’t have a choice in our sexuality and as a consequence we don’t have much of a choice when others attack us for it. This young man did have a choice. How many of us, if we heard someone mocking Jews or women or Wiccans or any other group would do the same? Not many, I’d wager. Just think “what an arse” and carry on, most likely.

  21. I and many other gays in the LGBT Community salute you, Jack, for your courage, bravery and selfless action. You will not be forgotten. Thank you very much :-)

  22. I think Jack underestimates his own bravery. It takes an enormous amount of courage to stand up in front of several violent thugs regardless of whether they have a bottle or not- and he wasn’t even doing it for himself, he was doing it for an entire sector of our society, most of which he hasn’t even met. I don’t think he was just “doing his civic duty,” he did much more than that. It was a completely selfless act. Thank you Jack! xxx

  23. Revd Carl Chambers 7 Sep 2012, 1:59pm

    Well done Jack. Deep respect.
    I hope you recover soon.

    Revd Carl Chambers
    Christ Church Brighton

  24. Aww, thanks Jack for your actions. Pint from me if I happen to see you in Brighton some time!

  25. If more people had this kind of courage the world would be a much better place to live in and at such a young age it is truely amazing.

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