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UK Catholic Bishop says equal marriage is a ‘gathering storm’ for Christians

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  1. The only people creating the storm he talks about are people like himself!

    Equal marriage is coming Bishop and the sooner you and your cronies get used to it, the better.

    1. Sister Mary Clarence 5 Sep 2012, 2:13pm

      I absolutely agree. Every credible opinion polls shows that there is support for it, across the church going and non-church going public. Government is not setting a precedent, as other countries have gone before us, and each day as story after story appears concerning opposition from a series of senior church figures it shows them to be even further detached from the realities of life.

      There would have been no ‘storm’ had they not stood on their alters preaching falsehoods and lies, and in doing so it has served to show how disconnected and how unimportant their views are in today’s world.

      Tactically they have shot themselves in the foot (and blown their leg off at the hip). Marriage equality, had they embraced it, would have served to many as a perfect opportunity to show them to be relevant and connected to modern life. Instead it has re-enforced the negative and alienated them further.

      Of course they’re upset – no one is listening to them, and no ones cares what they think.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 5 Sep 2012, 2:53pm

        Well said, Sister Mary Clarence! What is your take on Tory support for it? Do you believe there will be sufficient numbers of them to make sure it passes in Parliament? What about the House of Lords?

        1. Sister Mary Clarence 5 Sep 2012, 5:30pm

          I think yes.

          I may be wrong.

          If they hold it up it’ll be forced through anyway.

          On balance its a vote winner for the Tories, and the opposition have to support it or they lose a chunk of their core vote.

          1. Robert in S. Kensington 6 Sep 2012, 1:45pm

            Excellent! I’m very encouraged and thank you for your input. I’m not familiar with the intricate machinations of our political system. How could it be forced through? I find this absolutely fascinating. I agree though, it is a winner vote, not a loser vote as some backbenchers are predicting.

  2. Spanner1960 5 Sep 2012, 11:12am

    It may be a storm, but it has been brought about by people unwilling to move from 2000 year old concepts and adapt with the times.

    If these people continue to keep their heads firmly stuck in the sand and ignore or attempt to gag others, then they will simply continue to lose congregations whilst create further animosity toward them from the majority of people who simply think they ore out of touch with the modern world.

    The first thing they need to do is accept the concept of evolution, because just like in nature, one either adapts or dies.

    1. That’s not evolution. Some species have remained virtually unchanged for millions of years.

    2. billywingartenson 4 Dec 2012, 4:24am

      th is is from the hate group NOM who did a video that won them the Prop 8 case in California in 2008 that ended gay marriage

      It was called the gathering storm, and with terrifying music and black clouds overhead

      Hopefully one of these days the USA supreme court will refuse to take the prop 8 case, and thansk to multiple appeals courts marriage equality will return to california.

  3. Considering the homophobic bigots David Cameron has introduced to the new cabinet – Chris Grayling as Justice Minister and Maria Miller as the Equalities minister; i think the bishop does not need to worry.

    Welcoming such bigots back into cabinet is a clear sign that Cameron has absolutely no intention of legislating for equal marriage.

    If we do not have equality by the time fo the next election then I predict that in the next election the Law and Justice Tory Party will get even less than the 9% of the LGBT vote they got at the last election.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 5 Sep 2012, 12:34pm

      Maria Miller does NOT support equal marriage according to an article I read in The Guardian yesterday. Cameron is playing with fire.

  4. And it may be a ‘gathering storm for believers’ but seeing as only a very small handful of people in Britain are religious; who cares.

  5. How many legal threats has the church faced by not re-marrying divorcees? How many legal threats has it faced by not allowing female bishops?

    Stop being alarmist, Mark Davies; stop trying to force other people to live their lives according to your interpretation religion’s ‘moral rules’; and stop impinging on other people’s religious freedom to marry LGBT people if they choose.

    1. * your interpretaion of your religion’s ‘moral rules’.

  6. If same sex marriage is in conflict with your beliefs then by all means do not marry someone of the same sex.

    What they cannot understand – and what they will resist accepting – is that their beliefs are NOT universally held and neither is the meaning of their dogma universally agreed upon.

    I am not a catholic, I refuse to be control by catholic social mores any more than I would accept the imposition of shariah.

    Marriage does not belong to the RCC and never has done – it is a dishonest claim for them to even attempt to assert otherwise. But when it comes to organised religion, and the RCC in particular, I expect dishonesty

  7. “Bishop Davies made his latest comments at a mass in Chester involving the Catholic Women’s League and the Union of Catholic Mothers.”

    And I hope he remembered to tell any of those women who dared to speak that, by the Bible, they should shut their mouths until they got home.

  8. ‘gathering storm’

    He’s living in a dream world.

    The category 5 hurricane is here and it’s smashing your Church to bits.

  9. Honesty, rationality and respect for others are all mutually exclusive with religion. Therefore it should have no place in a society that is based on those values.

  10. Must be hard realising we no longer live in the Dark Ages. Equal rights, imagine that, Sir!

  11. johnny33308 5 Sep 2012, 12:21pm

    There is a gathering storm alright, the storm that the KKKristians themselves are creating, and THEY will be the victims of it since LGBTIQ people WILL NOT be VICTIMS any longer! We are fighting back and will continue to do so against this evil bigotry as long as it takes to overcome the Darkness the KKKristians wish to impose upon us! We are FINISHED being victims! Let those who perpetrate this horrid inhuman bigotry suffer the consequences of that action, not US!

  12. And with a bit of luck this “gathering storm” will wipe that pious smug holier than thou expression from your sanctimonious face.

    “Religion of love.” My @rse…

  13. Facts, common sense and freedom of thought are ‘gathering storms’ for religion, not gay marriage.

    1. It seems there is total ignorance here about the reference this Bishop was making. He is fermenting fear in his followers, to make them more dangerous to us. You confirming it is a storm for them helps him.

      Take a good look at the very nasty US TV advert on this. PN is blocking again so search for a 1min long Gathering Storm.

      I strongly recommend the line that equal marriage will make no difference to those who don’t want one. Which is true.

    2. It seems people here don’t understand the that this Bishop is stoking irrational fear in his followers, to make them hate us. You confirming it is a storm for them helps him.

      Take a good look at the very nasty US TV advert on this. Search for a 1min long Gathering Storm on YT.

      I strongly recommend the line that equal marriage will make no difference to those who don’t want one. Which is true, unless you’re a control freak cleric

    3. It seems people here don’t understand the that this Bishop is stoking irrational fear in his followers, to make them hate us. You confirming it is a storm for them helps him.

      Take a good look at the very nasty US TV advert on this – seek a 1min long Gathering Storm on YT.

      I strongly recommend the line that equal marriage will make no difference to those who don’t want one. Which is true, unless you’re a control freak cleric

    4. It seems people here don’t understand the that this Bishop is creating irrational fear in his followers, to make them hate us. You confirming it is a storm for them helps him.

      Take a good look at the very nasty US TV advert on this. Search for a 1min long Gathering Storm on YT.

      I strongly recommend the line that equal marriage will make no difference to those who don’t want one. Which is true, unless you’re a control-freak cleric.

    5. It seems people here don’t understand the that this Bishop is creating irrational fear in his followers, to make them hate us. You confirming it is a storm for them helps him.

      [Trying to figure PN censorship, so more...]

      Take a good look at the very nasty US TV advert on this. Search for a 1min long Gathering Storm on YT.

      I strongly recommend the line that equal marriage will make no difference to those who don’t want one. Which is true, unless you’re a control-freak cleric

    6. It seems people here don’t understand the that this Bishop’s aim is fear in his followers, to motivate them against us. You confirming it is a storm for them helps him.

      [Trying to figure PN censorship, so more...]

      Take a good look at the very nasty US TV advert on this. Search for a 1min long Gathering Storm on YT.

      I strongly recommend the line that equal marriage will make no difference to those who don’t want one. Which is true, unless you’re a control-freak cleric

    7. It seems people here don’t understand the that this Bishop’s aim is fear in his followers, to motivate them against us. You confirming it is a storm for them helps him.

      [Trying to figure PN censorship, so more...]

    8. It seems people here don’t understand the that this Bishop’s aim is fear in his followers, to motivate them against us. You confirming it is a storm for them helps him.

      Watch the nasty US TV advert on this. Search for a 1min long Gathering Storm.

      I strongly recommend the line that equal marriage will make no difference to those who don’t want one. Which is true, unless you’re a control-freak cleric

    9. Are all further comments on this being blocked?

  14. Robert in S. Kensington 5 Sep 2012, 12:44pm

    A catholic cleric in a minority cult trying to thwart a secular government’s mission? These people are the representatives of a foreign head of Vatican state, the Pope. As such, they should be banned from interfering in the domestic affairs of a sovereign power. In another time in our history, such meddling would have been construed as sedition or treason, punishable by execution. They’ve learned NOTHING from the reformation. My only regret is that the Catholic Relief Act, redefined in 1829 was ever allowed to pass into law. Does he really thing his mythical gathering storm is going to be taken that seriously since the majority of the British public aren’t even religious or attend services regularly. His rants, just like those of his master Cardinal O’Brien are becoming more desperate and irrational as equal marriage draws nearer, not just at home but in other countries. Now run along Mark Davies and get your own vile house in order. Your cult is morally bankrupt.

  15. Just as racist South African Churches had to re-interpret the bible when apartheid ended so must the Churches do so now. Honestly I don’t understand how anyone can still follow Christianity when it is so obvious that it’s load of hogwash.

  16. There’d be a hell of a lot less of a storm if people like Bishop Davies just shut up about something, like civil marriage, that doesn’t concern them.

    1. John Jones 6 Sep 2012, 12:05am

      society is not just the preserve of people who happen to believe what you believe.

      sadly for you, in a democracy all members of society have a right to express their concerns over something that will affect everyone.

  17. Storms can be a very positive force. In nature they purge the weak and diseased branches from trees allowing for renewed health and growth. Lets hope that the forthcoming storm over marriage equality (if, indeed, the silly man is to be believed) clears away the Rt Rev Mark Davies and his like and leads to renewal and growth in the church.

  18. Attanasio66 5 Sep 2012, 1:14pm

    I am an ex-Catholic (eight years at a Catholic school in Italy would turn anyone with a decent IQ). I get incandescent when I read comments such as Bishop Davies’ (and other similar bigots). Bishop Davies, repeat after me: equal marriage is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!!! Gay people simply want CIVIL marriages to be recognised – no Church has ANY control on this. Step away from this issue and shut up!

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 5 Sep 2012, 2:06pm

      Another reason why I renounced catholicism and became an atheist!

    2. I can beat you…!
      I haven’t been inside a church since 1961.
      Half way thro’ a Mass one Sunday morning, I thought to myself, “What the ferk am I doing here..!”
      Got up.
      Walked out.
      End of.
      Bowlox the lot of it is and all religion.
      Keith.
      SALFORD

  19. GingerlyColors 5 Sep 2012, 1:34pm

    Watch our lips, Bishop. We want CIVIL marriage. Since when Britain was a Catholic country anyway? Not since the reign of Henry VIII.

  20. But they are still not refusing our tax monies for their faith schools. Two faced I call it.

  21. Christopher 5 Sep 2012, 1:52pm

    This is what happens when people only think locally. In Canada, this is a non-issue.

    Canada must truly be a country of little significance if so many people elsewhere still cling to these ridiculous superstitions and nonsense.

  22. It’s not about religious freedom, it’s about maintaining the freedom to hate and discriminate.

  23. perhaps the storm will flood the world and destroy him, his church and the evil in his and his other “christians” hearts.

  24. “seeking to impose one of the greatest acts of ‘social engineering’ in our history”

    Let’s not forget the acts of social engineering carried out under the influence of the Catholic Church over the past 2000 years. Social engineering that has caused untold suffering, led to persecution and violent execution of non-confirmists, poisoned people’s natural sexuality with guilt, anxiety, and threats of hellfire, and persecuted LGBT people to the extent we have for most of its history been forced to hide our sexual orientation.

    It is time for the ideology, hypocrisy, stupidity and lies of the Catholic Church to be exposed, and for this institution to be challenged vigorously.

    Catholic Bishops have no authority to lecture our society about morality and social engineering. They should stick their crooks and mitres where the sun don’t shine, shut up, and spend their energy sorting out the appalling injustices committed by their own institution.

  25. …I’m sure I heard him say this to me on Hampstead Heath…or was it Clapham Common?

    1. Not all Catholics agree with the Bishops on equal civil marriage. 27 Catholics – priests, theologians, lay people, LGBT and straight – signed a letter, published in The Times on 13 August 2012:
      Not all Catholics share their Hierarchy’s stated views against proposals to extend civil marriage to same-sex couples. Nevertheless, the Catholic Bishops of England & Wales submission to the Government’s Equal Civil Marriage Consultation indicates a growing understanding about legislating for same-sex unions, compared with its 2003 position, when it firmly opposed Civil Partnerships.

      As Catholic laity, theologians, and clergy, it seems important to uphold some key pastoral care principles used by the Catholic Church in England & Wales. Its 1979 Pastoral Care Guidelines stated: The Church has a serious responsibility to work towards the elimination of any injustices perpetrated on homosexuals by society.

      In 1997 Cardinal Hume wrote: love between two persons, whether of the same sex, or of a di

      1. Dave North 5 Sep 2012, 4:16pm

        “The Church has a serious responsibility to work towards the elimination of any injustices perpetrated on homosexuals by society.”

        Not doing a very good job of it then, are they?

      2. Then the signatories of the letter are hopeless hypocrites who ought to have the courage of their convictions and leave a church they know they cannot reform.

        1. de Villiers 5 Sep 2012, 11:15pm

          It is hypocritical for gay people to try to redefine identity for other gay people and to deny them the opportunity to make their own identity choices.

  26. Marriage has been legally redefined before, to make a man who rapes his wife criminally responsible for the offence.

    I expect that that change would have met with the approval of the Catholic Women’s League and the Union of Catholic Mothers.

  27. Many have said it before and many will say it again, marriage was NEVER a Christian institution to begin with. Get the frick over it!

  28. It’s a storm of their own making! They do whine on don’t they?

  29. Pavlos Prince of Greece 5 Sep 2012, 3:35pm

    Its a very clear tendency in the Catholic Church in the recent decade: enough two or three times to say something very strong and good formulated against same-sex marriage (in the Western world) or gay rights in generally – and the priest became Bishop, or the Bishop became Cardinal. O`Brien, Davies, Donan from New York, Cardinal from Cameroon – all are looking at the St. Peters thrown in Rome, who will became vacant in the very near future. For the Catholic Church LGBT movement today is same, what the Protestantism was during the Contrreformation. And good old England is at the center of events again.

  30. GulliverUK 5 Sep 2012, 3:42pm

    Bishop of Shrewsbury, Rt Rev Mark Davies,

    Vile. :(

  31. Julia Ford 5 Sep 2012, 4:06pm

    I love a good storm! And what a great Xmas present.
    I realy cannot see why any Cristian can’t just get over the fact that “If” there is a God and “he did” create us then BLAME GOD!.

  32. Forget Catholic Church, you already lost this war. From Nepal in Asia to Barack Obama in the United States and to, god help us, even Poland in Eastern Europe the world is already snowballing into accepting sexual equality in the world. You may preach anything you want, just don’t come whining to us when you are smashed by the snowball, you knew it was coming !

  33. Paddyswurds 5 Sep 2012, 4:19pm

    Men never commit evil so fully and joyfully as when they do it for religious convictions….
    Blaise Pascal
    … and this evil priest of the roman cult is proof positive of this

  34. As a Shrewsbury girl born and bred I rather embarrassed that the town is mentioned in this! (mind you most people in Shrewsbury probably dont know where the RC church is…such is their influence…haha). Ultimately the RC church is under threat for being 200+years out of date but as Cameron is fulfilling our prophesy that he will screw us all over…i dont think the bishop needs to worry. Everyone who attends C21 in Shrewsbury should maybe hold a discussion evening with Mr Davies?!

  35. Peter & Michael 5 Sep 2012, 5:06pm

    This bishop is surely ‘shooting himself in the foot’ and most of his congregation probably knew or had children whom are Gay, and his words of hate and deception do not make him any favours. Civil Marriage has nothing to do with the church, no wonder church marriages are going ‘down the pan’. When we used to live in Chester, the City was perceived to be the Gay gateway to Wales, many of the large population of LGBT people living and working in Chester and surrounds came from Wales, because of the large unemployment in the towns and villages over the border.

  36. Same-sex marriage is about as threatening to the future of the church as the knowledge that Earth orbits the Sun.

  37. These Catholic Bishops are just re-iterating the views of the Pope.
    They have no minds of their own-purely passing on the views of an old man who lives in the Vatican. That is what they are there for. HE says what goes-and they just follow like sheep.

    I have NO doubt that if by some miracle the Pope were to reverse his view on same-sex marriage- SO would they!

  38. As the Roman Catholic Church knows nothing about Christianity and only about idol worship, deception, lies etc I do not see that any comment they make is valid or inclusive in any discussion about same sex marriage or anything else. They literally do not know what they are talking about and over the years these foxes have manipulated and blinded their followers from the truth.
    You will have more than your hands full, Bishop, in the none to distant future when the RCC is opened up and exposed for what it really is. I suggest you go back to worshiping your statues and idols to prepared yourself for the time to come.

  39. legal equal marriage will happen throughout the world whether you like it or not, Bishop.
    Run along now to your mumbo jumbo and stop irritating people with your stupidity.

  40. “…the Catholic Women’s League and the Union of Catholic Mothers.”

    The old sweetie wife would be in his element.

  41. The ‘Gathering Storm’ idea is a direct lift from a truly crappy TV ad put out by the National Organisation for Marriage (NOM) in the US.
    I can’t remember in which state it was aired, but basically it had some godawful actors pretending to be real people and sheltering against the religious/meteorological devastation that would be wrought by ‘gay marriage.’
    I know I ought to be incensed by this eejit bishop’s bigotry, but (to be honest), I’m more annoyed by his lack of creativity. When you see a British Catholic bishop mouthing the exact same message as Evangelical Protestants in America, one can’t help but compare it to one of those badly dubbed adverts that turn up on TV where the voice is in English, but the mouth movements are another language entirely.
    It’s not just that they hate us that annoys me, it’s that they take us for fools as well.

    1. The very least these people could do is actually come up with some ideas of their own.
      It’s bad enough having a recession without being slapped in the face by a religious organisation that is outsourcing its bigotry.
      ‘British jobs for British bigots’ isn’t a rallying cry that’s likely to prove popular in most gay circles, but as a proud gay Briton, I’d take comfort from knowing that I was being properly insulted by a fellow countryman, rather than by some lazy prat who’s offering up the warmed up leftovers of some other country’s hate-filled morons.

  42. Is the church hierarchy trying to tell us that only one man + one woman can love each other?? As the recently dead Cardinal of Milan said “the church is 200 years behind the times.

    The real reason for church opposition to anything is FEAR of change – they might lose influence – something very desirable untill they start to live in today’s world

  43. It is a self made storm that is only happening in their world.

    What I don’t get is with all the problems in the world why do these clerics stay so obsessed with us gays ?

    It is to the point where it is pathological and that just does not add up to me.

    There is something strange about the type of man that take this viewpoint and then tries and manipulate the religious scriptures to support their prejudice and hatred. I would like to understand what is really driving that prejudice and hatred ?

    1. Paddyswurds 9 Sep 2012, 5:34pm

      @Jeff…
      …. “I would like to understand what is really driving that prejudice and hatred ?” The answer to your question is control. They hate Gay people because we, or at least the majority of us, refuse to be controlled by churches, 4000 year old fictional “holy” books, and their imaginary deities.

  44. If he speaks for “those who continue to profess the truth about marriage as the lasting union of one man and one woman” he obviously forgets that Solomon had 700 wives and David had many wives too. Does he also accept the Biblical teaching that a virgin who has been raped must marry her rapist?

  45. PeterinSydney 9 Sep 2012, 8:18am

    The Catholic Bishops and the American GOP politicians are living in the 13th century and promoting the kind of society that old Hitler would have been proud of.

    1. Paddyswurds 9 Sep 2012, 5:37pm

      @Peter in Sydney…
      ….”the kind of society that old Hitler would have been proud of.W…… Well given that there is a Naz1 pope in the Vatican…… ……

  46. I propose one simple solution to the problem: repeal the Catholic Relief Act.

  47. Reminds of the “A Storm is Coming” advert released in America.

  48. billywingartenson 4 Dec 2012, 4:23am

    htis is from the hate group NOM who did a video that won them the Prop 8 case in California in 2008

    It was called the gathering storm, and with terrifying music and black clouds overhead

    Hopefully one of these days the USA supreme court will refuse to take the prop 8 case, and thansk to multiple appeals courts marriage equality will return to california.

  49. Have Jesus He went to Hell for us so we dont go there :) He paid the Price!

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