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Tributes to Featherstone, but concern for UK equal marriage policy following reshuffle

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  1. We need immediately clarification from the Prime Minister that the LGBT community will have equal civil rights (including civil marriage by December 31st 2012.)

    Quite frankly his promise to have equality by 2015 is unacceptable and there is no valid reason why equality cannot be achieved this year,

    The appointment of a bigot like Maria Miller to the equalities brief is a matter of grave concern and serves as a warning that the Tory Party have no intention of introducing equal civil rights for our community.

    1. essexgirlbecky 6 Sep 2012, 2:39am

      Well apart from the relatively minor matter of forcing an Act of Parliament through first reading, second reading and committee stages in both the Commons and the Lords, I can see no reason why equality cannot be achieved this year either!

    2. NewAussie 6 Sep 2012, 7:07am

      the only way to do it THIS YEAR would be to introduce it through an order of council under the Civil Contingencies Act 2004 but you would have to justify that this was a necessary piece of legislation during a state of emergency. In such cases, with unanimous agreement of the privy council legislation can be introduced by decree.

      That, of course, would be a preposterous thing to justify.

      Otherwise, if you are legislating normally, the consultation would have to finish and be considerted before a white paper is introduced and then it would have to go through up to three readings in both Houses with the Lords promising to be a very time consuming rough ride as well as committee stages. That process takes many many months and as Westminster is bicameral it actually takes a LOT longer than similar legislation in Scotland.

      1. GulliverUK 6 Sep 2012, 8:26am

        It is a state of frickin emergency.

        How much more should our nerves be frayed by all this bl**dy tooing and froing, back and force, it’s on it’s off, short grass long grass, boll**ks. I haven’t had to cut my fingernails for 6 months !!!

        They will absolutely need to move much quicker than 2015, although dAVID might have made people gasp with that date, we certainly should be looking at the same time-table France has – they starting talking about it later than us, and I’m not sure they’re even having a consultation.

        We don’t want years of battling between us and the Catholics – it would be quicker to plunge the country in to civil war for six months and decide that way, than this painful day-by-day anti-gay bullying by religious leaders. Let’s settle it.

    3. NewAussie 6 Sep 2012, 7:09am

      and even after the legislation has been passed, introduction will have to wait uintil all civil marriage venues and all participating church registrars can have new guidelines issued and be retrained as appropriate before the first same sex marriages take place. So even 2015 might be optimistic. As it is with Maria Miller in place, the consultation will be sat on and no white paper will ever be drafted. So you will have to go to Gretna Green to get married if you want it.

      1. As long as yesterday’s Scottish cabinet reshuffle doesn’t affect the same-sex marriage legislation. The new health minister, Alex Neil, was rumoured to have been the cabinet minister who threatened to resign over the issue in July, the time the Scot Gov didn’t make their expected announcement.

    4. Sue Des Nimes 6 Sep 2012, 8:37am

      Well done chap – calling people names shows just how tolerant you are.

  2. The new Tory equality MP have not taken the time to tell C4EM that they support equal marriage. Equalities have been downgraded from the Home office dept to media, culture and sport. From one rather powerful conservative figure like T May and a strong lib dem supporter like LF we now have two rather unknown female MPs (both cons!) driving SS marriage thru. We’ll be lucky to have equal civil marriage and I doubt religious marriage will ever see the light of day.

  3. Seems to me there is more “International Development” going on (NZ/Tassie/France) than there is anything stirring in darkest Basinngstoke

  4. The best we can hope for is that Miller and her co minister didn’t know they supported gay marriage until they were given their new jobs.

    In fact I doubt very much most of the new Tory ministers realised they supported gay marriage until they got their new jobs but then again Cameron has given them all conscience votes so they don’t have to support it!

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 5 Sep 2012, 7:57pm

      And a conscience vote could well do equal marriage in among the Tories. We don’t have the luxury that the French Government have, enough votes within the socialist government that doesn’t need any votes from the right to get it through. This appointment has made me unneasy even if Miller has suddenly had an conveniently expedint epiphany because of her new assignment by Cameron. Those denominations who support us have every right to feel concerned about this sudden move. I wonder what Nick Clegg has to say for this? Cameron or Clegg should at least give a reason why the change was called for?

  5. Pavlos Prince of Greece 5 Sep 2012, 11:41pm

    Its very nice, that Unitarian and Free Christian Churches has paid tribute to dear Lynne. I am atheist, but I am happy, when a old Christian Church or other religion approve same-sex relationships and gay rights in generally. One day I aspect same respect for LGBT community also from Church of England and Buckingham Palace. But before it one simple, but important bill must be approve at the Westminster.

  6. NewAussie 6 Sep 2012, 6:47am

    there cannot be many government ministers so widely liked by a community she was legislating for. That she was moved and replaced by an opponent of same sex marriage is a clear sign that Cameron has let us down and will not now deliver on equal marriage.

  7. It’s time for the government to admit the ‘consultation’ was an offensive mistake.

    December 31st 2012 is an ambitious date.

    But the 2015 date is absolutely unacceptable.

  8. GulliverUK 6 Sep 2012, 8:38am

    She may be able to help promote rights for our brothers and sisters overseas, by ensuring the conditions for international aid are met, and where they are not, steering bilateral support away to local and other NGOs. Whilst we’re fretting over equal marriage, some of them are facing persecuting which is beyond my ability to comprehend. Africa is being driven mad by Evangelical and fundamentalist mediaevalism, and our own colonialist past pays a part in that. They need to re-assess if they’re behaving like Africans before invasion, or merely subdued captives with implanted Victorian values which were not native to their original African cultural identities.

    We must also show Africans how we ourselves have rejected those Victorian values we implanted on them, and why we were wrong. Perhaps LF can help in these areas too, or fund approaches which remind Africa of its own cultural identity and heritage.

    1. GulliverUK 6 Sep 2012, 10:06am

      I don’t think we need to hear a God-made-it-all-better story. For most of us this old man sitting on a cloud has been our nemesis, and used by sociopathic Christian bigots to entrench discrimination in our history, … and murder. Burning witches, women, blacks and gays at the stake, on crosses, unspeakably horrible crimes against humanity, and why? Because they wanted to purify the world, to form it how they wanted it to be, for political manipulation and control, at a massive loss of life.

      I’ve never been particularly anti-Christian, and I’m not now, recognising that most of them don’t cause me particular problems, with a majority supporting equal rights and social justice, and being … pragmatic, rather than the dogmatic prattish behaviour of the medically insane few, but my loathing for them has taken a new level of dislike … I haven’t reached the words “outright hatred” yet — I’ve carefully tried to avoid having, giving in to, or using the ‘H’ word so far in life.

      1. GulliverUK 6 Sep 2012, 10:46am

        We don’t need Christian zealots promoting weird conversion therapies on a gay news web site, the same as it would be generally offensive to give out leaflets on reparative therapies in a gay bar, and it could be seen as harassment of the gay community, and an offence under the law. Article 9 gives you the right to practice your religion, not to use it in the public square, or go around targeting specific groups, and making offensive and insulting injurious statements — and I’m guessing that’s why you left the link and didn’t say anything.

        It is anything but a “great story”. Beat it, troll.

  9. GulliverUK 6 Sep 2012, 9:56am

    A good run-down of her here also;

    http://www.diversitylink.co.uk/resource417/1.html

    and already a petition to have her removed;
    http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/prime-minister-remove-maria-miller-as-minister-for-equality

    I’ll need to read more before signing, but based on the article above she it’s like putting Jack The Ripper in charge of a womens’ refuge.

    Q: How much would she have to do to prove herself, and how quickly, for people to believe she “could” deliver on equality issues?

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