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  1. Well perhaps it is a waste of money.

    But how many faith schools does Scotland have?

    And how many millions of pounds of taxpayers money goes to those schools.

    That’s a FAR greater waste of taxpayers’ money.

    1. Craig Denney 1 Sep 2012, 2:17pm

      It’s true,
      I have been researching how much money is spent on religious people compared to LGBT’s in my county and it’s in the tens of millions compared to virtually nothing for LGBT’s.

      Most of it is spent on faith only care homes, schools, youth centres/projects, church halls, taxi/bus trips to faith schools, council managed/maintained projects (around Christmas time), parking privileges and much much more.

      The Council says in it’s defence that gays are a signal issue group and they spend money on everyone of which gays are a part. But what about religious people aren’t they a signal issue group??

  2. Dan Filson 31 Aug 2012, 6:15pm

    The questionnaire was going out anyway, asking about public perceptions of the police, so the marginal extra cost of the diversity questionnaire is negligible. Yes, it does matter if part of the community – whether Buddhist, women or gay – feels the police service is not serving them well. It is also important to see if in X years that perception has changed for better or worse, following (hopefully) actions to address the concerns.

    1. Spanner1960 1 Sep 2012, 12:05pm

      Why do people have to be pigeonholed in order to benefit from a public service?

      Everybody is entitled to police support, and I understand some people have different requirements to others, but does that really matter? The bottom line is we should all be protected and served, and asking damn fool questions is nothing but a PR exercise.

  3. Bill (Scotland) 31 Aug 2012, 10:55pm

    I live in another part of Scotland which has a different police authority (‘Northern Constabulary’), but I must admit that whilst I welcome the idea of surveying public attitudes toward the police on various matters including sexuality, I think it needs to be conducted by an independent polling body and certainly not by soliciting responses from recipients which could be used by the ‘client’ (in this case a police authority) to identify respondents. From the information given in the article this sounds like a well-meaning but ill-judged exercise.

    1. Rhoderick Gates 1 Sep 2012, 1:59am

      Maybe there was no organisation available for this particular survey.

  4. essexgirlbecky 1 Sep 2012, 3:36am

    “If I was mugged, would it matter if I was a transgender Muslim or a bisexual Buddhist?”

    Possibly not, but if you are a gay man who has just been raped you might prefer to be allocated a police officer who has some understanding of the sensitivities involved!

    If the police don’t have a complete picture of the pattern of offending in a particular area, it makes it difficult to allocate resources effectively.

    But that wasn’t what this questionnaire was about; it was about establishing whether the police had an image problem with parts of the community.

    Those who think it’s not important that the police know whether they have the confidence of the whole community or not will continue to think that questionnaires like this are a waste of resources. Those of us who know better will continue to point out why such people are wrong.

    1. Spanner1960 1 Sep 2012, 12:10pm

      “you might prefer to be allocated a police officer who has some understanding of the sensitivities involved”

      You make it sound like they have specialists.
      “Burglaries, room 1, sexual attack room 2, drunk in charge of a llama, room 3…”

      Don’t be so daft. Police trainees spend a considerable amount of time in full time college and by the time they become officers they have a pretty good all-round knowledge of everything, and continue to be trained whilst on the job. If an officer doesn’t understand the sensitivities of a male rape victim, he is in the wrong bloody job.

      1. essexgirlbecky 1 Sep 2012, 4:57pm

        A well made point as usual Spanner, but the on the face of it, a huge number of police officers are in the wrong bloody job!

        When taking details of an offence from victims, the police also ask if they can pass on contact details to victim support and, in some cases, access counselling services. Some authorities even funded a dedicated LGBT post within VS.

        A few years later guess which posts are being cut because of the lack of equality monitoring to substantiate the need for such services.

        When a body like the EHRC turns round and says that the absence of proper equality monitoring across all diversity strands (or ‘protected characteristics’ as they now are) is a barrier to achieving a fair society, don’t you think it’s time someone listened.

        Think again!

        1. Thank you for being the voice of reason.

  5. I think surveys like this are good because it is finding out about whether people who r in a minority feel about policing.

    1. Spanner1960 1 Sep 2012, 12:12pm

      Frankly, who gives a toss?
      There are lots of people in the majority that have feelings too.
      Everyone should be able to receive police support, whoever they are.

      1. Mark Young 1 Sep 2012, 8:02pm

        Whenever I read your comments my face frowns because I can’t believe how stupid you are.

  6. If they think they have achieved anything by asking if people are, or have ever identified as transgender, then they have really been sold a pup. No one knows for sure what the word means (does it include heterosexual cross-dressers, or intersex people, does it include women with short hair, or men with ear-studs, etc.) so only a few activists would identify as being it, and many who the police probably think it applies to reject it is a hate term, designed to deny them recognition as being wholly a woman, or a man. Which is technically completely correct – because it is designed to label people lifelong according to how they were born – but not how most of those who use it misunderstand it.

  7. Dennis Velco 1 Sep 2012, 7:03pm

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  8. It is good that the Police seek to know how various groups perceive and react to them, for the obvious reason that different groups have different experiences, including facing different risks of discrimination, abuse and violence. If the Police are to protect people such knowledge is vital. The real problem highlighted by this article is how it can be effectively done. Some people have reasonable fears about responding to questions in confidentiality and safety. It has been well pointed out above that the Police have a serious conflict of interest in handling the questionnaires themselves. Also, sampling public perceptions of any kind tends to be skewed by respondents with a particular axe to grind. Yet the information sought is undoubtedly important. What’s the answer?

  9. Hmmm…If the Tories are so convinced that gender is irrelevant to fighting crime then why do they so strongly insist on gender specific, grooming standards and uniforms for their officers which are different according to whether they are female or male?

  10. Basically, the real reason that the political right is against surveys like this is because they want to erase the visibility of transgender people. This is a standard recurring tactic in the political strategy of the political right in both Britain and the USA.

  11. Sarah Helene 1 Sep 2012, 7:53pm

    As a transsexual person I was abused back in February this year following a car accident in which the other party failed to stop, and when I reported it to Surrey Police, to say it was poorly handled was putting it mildly.

    Only when a journalist start to ask questions it got the attention of the diversity unit at the Police Authority, who put there hands up and said sorry.

    Since then they’ve invited me to serve on the Surrey Police IAG, which I do, representing the Trans community.

    If the Scottish police are trying improve the handling of crime for targeted parts of the community, then this should be commended, not criticized.

  12. What a strange article – it reads more like something out of the Daily Mail than Pink News. To me it seems perfectly reasonable for the police to want to know how they are perceived by the public, and equally reasonable for them to want to know if any one section of society has a particularly negative perception of them.

    So the TaxDodgers’.. sorry, TaxPayers’ Alliance think it’s a waste of money? Big f***ing surprise, it’s their whole reason for being – they’ll denounce anything done by any public body as a waste of money. They’re particularly, and disproportionately, vicious in their opposition to any attempt to further LGBT rights or be more inclusive of LGBT people – I don’t have space to go into detail here but Google “taxpayers alliance” with “gay” or “transgender” for any number of examples. Pink News should not be giving these homophobes the time of day, much less uncritically basing an entire article on the hateful sh*te they spout.

  13. Just hazzarding a guess, but were all the comments from householders etc from white, straight men? Who you are does matter when you are a victim of crime. Being a victim of any crime is an awful thing, and hate crime in particular is a blight on our society. The police know that hate crime victims – people who are attacked because of who they are – are much less likely to report the incident to the police. They are much more likey to be repeat victims. People who attack based on race, religion or sexuality are much more likely to attack again. If a woman is raped, do other women in the area feel like they could be a target? Yes. If a gay man is beaten up do other gay people feel like they could be a target? Yes! Information like this helps the police target their resources and identify patterns of crime. Let’s not criticise them for it.

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