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  1. I can’t wait to see how C4M/Christian Institute (basically the same a-holes under two different names) deal with this snippet of information.

    It won;t be to their liking at all.

    1. They will simply forget to tell anyone. Or they’ll quote mine it to the point where it says library books taste like banana peel.

  2. Enough with this endless analysis already.

    When is marriage equality legislation to be introduced in Parliament?

    Marriage equality needs to be a reality in Britain by 2013. (The date of 2015 is unacceptably late).

    The offensive and unnecessary consultation is over.

    No more excuses.

    Legislation is immediately required.

    1. Hear, hear!

    2. Spanner1960 23 Aug 2012, 1:14pm

      I think you said that already

  3. All these delays in actually keeping his promise to legislate for marriage equality is very suspicious.

    Is David Cameron edging away from his declared support for equality.

    We should not be suprised if this happens – the Tory Party has ALWAYS been the party of sickening homophobia.

    And now all these endless delays indicate that the remain as bigotted as ever but are trying to hide that fact.

    1. dAVID: There’s no terrible urgency, is there? It is not a matter of life or death. There is a normal consultative process in progress so that the legislation is framed properly. We Conservatives are honestly not the Devil incarnate. Well, most of us aren’t, anyway! ;)

      One good thing about this intervening period is that it is producing discussion, and is enabling religious bigots in the Catholic Church hierarchy and other reactionary institutions to expose their nasty attitudes to the public, which is something that is backfiring on them and driving more support in our direction.

      If there is one thing I would like to see more than equal marriage, it is the collapse of the Catholic Church hierarchy, together with all the other bigoted religious institutions that blight our lives.

      1. Excuses, excuses.

        Why is there not a timetable by which marriage equality will be introduced?

        The consultation was unnecessary, and offensive (equal civil rights for minorities are NOT matters for consulation).

        The churches’ opinions are entirely irrelevant.

        Will we have marriage equality by January 2013?

        If not then we need to realise that the Tories have no intention of legislating for equality.

        1. Logic breakdown, dAVID.

          The timetable is “by the end of this Parliament.”

          The consultation was necessary so that the public (including pro-equal marriage supporters) can inform the legislation so that it is sound.

          I agree the churches’ opinions are irrelevant.

          David Cameron and Nick Clegg have confirmed that equal marriage will be law by the end of this Parliament.

          Stop fretting.

        2. Spanner1960 23 Aug 2012, 1:15pm

          Um. You said that already.

      2. There is an urgency. I want to get married as soon as possible! I don’t want to wait another 5 to 10 years. I want to celebrate it now!

  4. David Mason 22 Aug 2012, 2:28pm

    This guy is always keen to make statements & analysis when it suits him.
    What about answer questions on ‘strategic tax paying’ & Cayman Island interests.

    I hope the country realised they have been duped with this shower & come out in force for fundamental human rights for all – not just one rule for them and another for us.

    Give us a general election, dump the lying Lib Dems & make it a 2 horse race.

    Economy, employment etc.. is all important to the country, but waking up next to your wife / husband, knowing you have your Gods blessing is important to a lot of people.

    Though not a religious person (any more) and single – no one wants to take me up the aisle, but I will fight for those who want it.

    Gay people vote, pay taxes, & it is time we as a family stood up, being OUT is not enough any more Mr & Mrs Politicians – we need to regroup, tell the country we have some basic demands.

    1. Agreed.

      Although what does ‘God’s blessing’ or indeed ‘god’ have to do with marriage equality?

      1. Lynda Yilmaz 22 Aug 2012, 2:54pm

        Or anything at all come to that? One hears constantly that we should ‘respect’ religion and the religious. I am equally constantly asking ‘why?’

      2. David Mason 22 Aug 2012, 3:43pm

        There are folks who want a blessing in their houses of God – they should be allowed this. Think is unfair that priests etc. can refuse to deal with groups purely down to sexuality, & they get away with it.

        I know to a lot of people a church wedding is what they want, & it annoys me that a group of celibate pensioners in the Catholic church can say what is right & wrong & who can marry who.

        God’s blessing means nothing to me, but to some, means a lot. Why should they be denied?

        Cheers for replies – & enjoying the debate.

        1. the ability of religious cults to perform legal weddings is a FAR less important issue than legalising equal civil marriage.

          And the constant harping on about religious cults is creating the (fake) impression that their opinions are of any relevance.

          Allowing cults to perform weddings is a tiny thing that can be quickly achieved once we have achieved equal civil rights.

          1. Spanner1960 23 Aug 2012, 1:14pm

            He said “Cult” again.

    2. David

      We are on different sides of the spectrum politically, but I wanted to encourage you not to rule out the possibility of meeting a decent guy and getting married one day, if that’s something you would like to do!

      I think that equal marriage will make LGBT people and our relationships much more mainstream, and I think that a result of that will be that it is easier for us to meet compatible life partners in mainstream society, without having to go to gay pubs and clubs or onto “dating” websites, which don’t seem to me to be very satisfactory for enabling people to make contact with kindred spirits, or encouraging people to think in terms of long-term one-to-one relationships.

      It does seem to be particularly difficult for lesbian and gay people to meet life-partners. I know a lot of heterosexuals find it difficult as well, but we have the added hurdle of marginalisation to deal with.

      1. David Mason 22 Aug 2012, 3:47pm

        Very true Gazza

        Been single now for a few years & I don’t want to have to do bars & clubs in order to find someone.

        Have been visiting LGBT in Manchester here for a few months, hope to get involved in some activities as Autumn approaches.

        Thank you for taking time out to reply.

    3. “Dump the lying Lib Dems and make it a two horse race”?

      …Because giving voters less choice in who to vote for is always a good thing, right? Not to mention the fact that the Lib Dems have consistently supported equal rights for LGBT people in every single vote! I think I’d rather keep them if it’s all the same to you.

  5. 22 Aug 2012, 3:20pm

    Pleasantly surprised that this has come from Lord Ashcroft, although there is surely no inconsistency with with Tories supporting SSM? A party that believes in individualism, relative freedom from big government and stable relationships would of course support SSM.

    1. But Ashcroft’s report seems like just another delaying tactic and is of absolutely no relevance to anything.

      The fact remains that we do not have equal civll rights and we do not have a proper timetable by which we will have achieved them (the date 2015 is simply unacceptable.)

      if the political will existed we would have equal civil rights by January 2013.

      does the political will exist?

      1. dAVID

        You have tremendous drive and energy and a strong sense of justice.

        But I think you are kicking and banging your head against an unlocked door where equal marriage is concerned. It is on the cards.

        Even if it wasn’t, as important as equal marriage is for our society, there are surely more serious injustices against LGBT people to get worked up about and direct energy towards.

        In most “Moslem” countries, homosexuality is illegal, and in some you can be flogged, imprisoned or put to death for it.

        I think we should keep up the pressure for full equality in our country, but at the same time, we should try to keep our situation in proper perspective. There are LGBT people in other countries who need our help.

      2. Spanner1960 23 Aug 2012, 1:16pm

        That’s the third time you repeated yourself.

  6. Pavlos Prince of Greece 22 Aug 2012, 3:58pm

    … and for right to conduct same-sex marriage ceremony in the religious congregation or Church, if these wish to do so. Please, remember it, when you write the next Queens Speech!

    1. It would be wiser to never reference the religious cults when discussing equal civil rights. It has NOTHING to do with them.

      And they seem to be under the delusion that their opinions are relevant to this discussion.

      Once equal civil marriage has been achieved some minor adjustments can be made to allow the cults who wish to do so to marry whoever they like.

      1. Yes, even mentioning religion in this context allows them to deploy delaying tactics and play the martyr

      2. Spanner1960 23 Aug 2012, 7:08pm

        Oops! He said “cult” again.
        I wonder when he will mention “Murder weapons”?

  7. Lord Ashcroft has gone up quite a lot in my estimation after this.

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