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Poll suggests churchgoers less likely to vote Tory in light of PM’s support for marriage equality

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  1. Wasn’t this poll from the Campaign For Marriage? They rather have form on biased polling, and aren’t exactly impartial here…

  2. Church-goers are a (thankfully) dwindling demographic. And if their only argument is – this is what my interpretation of what my unproven entity might want – then they can be safely discounted.

    The GB needs to be at the forefront of civil rights, not lurking at the back in embarrassment to pander to dogma.

    Get on with it.

    1. I accidentally it REPORT whilst reading on my iPad. Sorry!

  3. Don’t believe everything you read! Some of us churchgoers wouldn’t vote Tory simply because they’re Tory…and some of us (more than you might think from press coverage) are in full support of marriage equality.

    1. Fr. Mike Donaghy 20 Aug 2012, 5:48pm

      I’m in full support of Marriage Equality. But then I’m Gay. LoL.

  4. Either way, this would be a good thing as the Labour Party are for equal marriage anyway!

    1. Are they? We know various Labour figures are, but has it actually been declared party policy yet? Will Labour whip their MPs and peers to support it, or will it be a “conscience vote”?

  5. So what? Where are they going to take their votes?

    1. The BNP of course.

      That is the only party with matching viewpoints as religious people.

      1. Judging from the daily mail comments UKIP is their new party of choice

      2. de Villiers 20 Aug 2012, 6:40pm

        The economic politics of the BNP seem closer to the left.

        1. Its UKIP cashing in on bigotry and intolerance. UKIP are the NEW NASTY PARTY-taking over from David Cameron’s modernised tories

  6. Well, that’s less than 3% of the population, and many churchgoers would be voting Tory anyway!!!

    1. sorry, “many churchgoers WOULDN’T be voting Tory anyway!!!”

      1. Fr. Mike Donaghy 20 Aug 2012, 5:52pm

        Yeah, I’m a Socialist. I just wish Labour would manage their finances better.

  7. Robert in S. Kensington 20 Aug 2012, 2:51pm

    So, if the bigots don’t vote for the Tories as a protest, then they’re handing the election to Labour. Are they that stupid? The Tory back benchers must be delusional to believe that voting against equal marriage is going to guarantee their party re-election considering that churchgoers most of whom vote Tory are going to have any significant impact on the outcome of a Tory victory. They’re signing their own death warrant. It’s beyond hilarious.

  8. GulliverUK 20 Aug 2012, 3:00pm

    This was another COMRES poll, this time with only 569 responses. We know COMRES have conflicts of interest in their leaderships links to the Catholic church, and that they don’t set questions, C4M do. We also know they skewed a previous poll, including more 65+ respondents than are represented in the population, and that 65+ are less likely to support equal marriage. They also always seem to hold off actually publishing the poll for some days, to allow the message to sink in, before it can be properly discredited, by which time most people have forgotten what poll it was.

    If 61% of Christians (as reported by PN) support full equality, then this poll is clearly wrong. Support if you strip out churchgoers in other polls gives 75-85% approval for SSM.

    1. I believe this was a CPanel poll. As I’ve posted here before, CPanel does not represent churchgoers in the normal sense.

      There’s a good summary of what’s wrong with the poll here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-peron/united-kingdom-gay-marriage_b_1808078.html

      Although UKIP has shown no signs of wanting to abandon its position that it is a single-issue party focused on Europe, we may see “dog whistle” politics used in local UKIP campaigning to attempt to woo voters away from the Conservatives using marriage equality, and anything else where the Tories look soft to the hang ‘em and flog ‘em brigade.

      Whether UKIP will profit from this I’m not sure; those voters are often the same ones who feel Mr Cameron has cheated them of a referendum, and may find themselves drawn to UKIP anyway. Meanwhile some voters will be scared away if they feel UKIP is too socially conservative. For this to be an effective tactic for UKIP, it will have to be a very well-pitched dog-whistle.

      1. That’s a brilliant de-bunking of that so-called poll !

        The HP article’s conclusions should have had much more publicity in the mainstream media, but no doubt they’d rather just recycle C4M press releases rather than bother to analyse anything.

  9. GulliverUK 20 Aug 2012, 3:09pm

    In addition, most people don’t vote on single issues, even people who are gay. If the BNP promised us complete equal rights in every single aspect and several seats on their cabinet — we still wouldn’t vote for them :-p We all have a range of things we consider important, jobs and economy, social justice, welfare, the NHS, opportunity to advance. Many of us might have heavily weighted ‘our rights’, and considered only Labour could get in and do that, but it wouldn’t be the only reason for making a choice. Some people who are gay voted Tory back in the 80s and 90s — I don’t really understand why, but I guess they felt some other policy was more important than their own rights !!!!

    Will churchgoers suddenly veer off in large numbers to vote BNP or UKIP? Absolutely not. Social justice IS an important component, as is the NHS, welfare, etc. If they vote Labour, LibDem, Tory or Green they’ll be getting marriage equality in any case.

  10. Who cares.

    Churchgoers make up a tiny percentage of the British populaton.

    And because they are religious it’s almost inevitable that they are bigoted scum.

    1. de Villiers 21 Aug 2012, 12:38am

      David, that language is unkind – particularly when considering the many gay people who go to or are involved in the church. In the wrong person, it could also be a bit sinister. In the same chilling way that Germans in the 1930s described Jews as ‘scum’ and worse – your sentence could give the appearance of having similar views on churchgoers.

  11. Wow, how scary this much be for Cameron. If a slight majority of church goers might rethink voting for him it could cost him literally TENS of votes! However will he be able to sleep at night worrying?

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 20 Aug 2012, 5:07pm

      The Tories are going to lose either way. That’s why their backbenchers will vote against equal marriage because they know the party is doomed anyway.

      1. Don Harrison 20 Aug 2012, 8:17pm

        Robert, I wish but I sadly think not.

  12. “…some supporters of marriage equality were disappointed…”
    .
    Just two years ago these “some supporters” were cheering up the homophobic Tories … claiming to believe in their change of heart and a sudden interested in marriage equality … so we warned them about their possible future disappointments … which are now starting to materialise…

  13. My only stint of ‘churchgoing’ was with some lovely Quakers in Gloucester, and of course that makes me a prime candidate to be rather happy with Cameron’s marriage stance… still not likely to ever vote Tory though ^-^

    1. Fr Mike Donaghy 20 Aug 2012, 5:58pm

      I do agree Merlyn. I think the Quakers ethics are fantastic. Among many things, they support Equal Marriage and are happy to take LGBT religious marriage services. Not all Christians are biblical literalists / fundamentalists.

  14. Wow! “Church-goers”, eh?

    So that’s what?… A couple of thousand less votes for the Tories. That will really hurt.

  15. Don Harrison 20 Aug 2012, 8:10pm

    I do hope they will never vote Tory again

  16. GingerlyColors 21 Aug 2012, 7:43am

    Although church-goers may be less likely to vote Tory in the event they bring in marriage equality, gay people may be MORE likely to vote Tory so the trade-off could be worthwhile. My opinion is that the Conservatives shouldn’t keep dragging it’s feet on the issue, there should be a free vote in the Commons NOW. The previous Labour government equalised the age of consent at 16, introduced employment protection for gays, allowed gays to serve in the military, scrapped Clause 28 and brought in Civil Unions and all these ended up being non-issues for the population as a whole. If David Cameron stops pussyfooting and lives up to his promise now, then the Conservatives can get on with other important business and they still have two and a half years before the next general election.

  17. What poll and who by ? I guarantee you all every penny i have this poll is bias if not completelly fictional.

    Weve seen it all before these stupid polls made up by people opposing us with facts and figures that dont add up and are proven to be doctored. Then they later get used as fact.

    =(

  18. he need hardly worry then, given hardly anyone makes it to church

  19. I am a Labour supporter and even when same-sex marriage is introduced I will still vote Labour. I’d say the same for the Tory supporters. They will vote Tory.

    I wish the church goers who support same-sex marriage were as loud and vocal as the anti SS marriage church goers.

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