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  1. Fine, then move on without the tantrum-throwing little b!tch.

    1. I agree and I’m a priest.

  2. “…the Scottish government said First Minister Alex Salmond and the cardinal continue to be in contact with one another and yesterday had an “entirely amicable conversation on first name terms”.”

    Jeez!

  3. Good, with any luck it’ll push them even further away from the rest of society. good riddance.

  4. The BBC story on this grossly distorts the truth.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-19305232

    “The cardinal has previously called for a referendum on gay marriage, but the government has ruled out any possibility of one being held. The Scottish government decided to change the law despite most of those who replied to its consultation opposing reform.”

    See the lie there? The implication that Scots are against equal rights for same sex couples is completely false. That consultation was flooded by religious extremists sending postcards. Recent YouGov polls show over 2/3 of Scots are in support of equal marriage. I’ve send a complaint in to the BBC about this biased article and encourage others to do the same.

    1. Yes, the BBC should try to be more careful not to mislead in its news services

      1. It’s really hard not to read this article without concluding there is homophobic bias.

        “The Scottish government decided to change the law despite most of those who replied to its consultation opposing reform. A majority of responses to a public consultation by the Scottish government – including all the main Scottish churches – also rejected same-sex marriage, but ministers decided to press ahead with the legislation nevertheless.”

        The clear implication is the Scottish parliament is ramming legislation down the throats of the voters who are against it. This is utter bollocks.

        Aside from the cloned postcard responses to the Scottish government’s consultation, 2/3 of the formal responses were also in favor of equal marriage for same sex couples. The same poll also showed most people of faith are favor of same sex marriage.

        How can Pigott possibly avoid mentioning the fact that most Scottish voters – even most Scottish religious voters – support the government’s move?

    2. I see Robert Pigott was involved. He often comes across as biased

      1. There is an allegation that he is gay. If that is true I wonder whether he is overcompensating?

        1. Pavlos Prince of Greece 19 Aug 2012, 3:50pm

          Of course Robert is gay. Any doubts?!

    3. Update! The BBC has edited the “Analysis” section on the story I linked. They removed the misleading and biased paragraph I quoted above starting “The Scottish government decided to change the law despite most of those who replied to its consultation opposing reform.”

      To everyone who emailed the BBC to complain about their misleading and homophobic language – good work!

      1. Sorry to dsappoint you but it’s still in the main body of the article, “The Scottish government decided to change the law despite most of those who replied to its consultation opposing reform.”

        1. Yes, but the BBC did completely re-do Pigott’s section of the article. That’s at least a sign there were enough complaints for them to respond, though it’s still bizarre they don’t mention the Scottish government’s actions are in line with the views of most Scots.

  5. Robert in S. Kensington 19 Aug 2012, 2:10pm

    Oh poor thing, having a temper tantrum because he can’t get his own way. He needs to grow up and man up. The world doesn’t revolve around the roman cult, thankfully, a cult that is in slow decline and decay, rotting from within, withering on the vine because of it’s refusal to join the 21st century.. Long may that continue.

    1. Withering? In Europe possibly but in Africa and the Far East it is booming; along with the newly ‘liberated’ Eastern Bloc countries.
      Go to a catholic mass in a London suburb and where once you found mostly Irish (the priest almost certainly)Polish (the older generation who fled their own country) and the English catholics, now you will find mostly people from the Far East and S. America with a smattering of others.

      1. Dave North 20 Aug 2012, 9:51am

        They know they are losing their sheep in the UK, Ireland, France, Italy, Spain etc, therefore they need to spread their poison elsewhere, hence the push on these other countries.

        Got to get the moola coming in from somewhere.

        They are an organised crime syndicate pretending to be a religion.

      2. Fr. Mike Donaghy 20 Aug 2012, 6:16pm

        Yeah, I agree with Paul, the Catholic Church in the UK is not going to die out. However, perhaps there is some good news, I know a lot of ‘out of the closet’ Gay Catholics too. The fight for Equal Rights will also happen from within.

        I’m in Stonewall’s records and I do all I can to fight for LGBT Equal Rights. I had hoped that change in the world and in the church would happen quicker than it has but now that I am about 56 years I have slowed down a bit, but I remain on your side and continue to fight the cause for equality with you.

        I am a scientist too. I wish science and religion were not always viewed as being incompatible; nor being Gay and a Christian. No wonder I had a breakdown – but I’m okay now. Stay together guys and support each other. Love – Mike.

  6. O’Brien, like all people of religious faith, is suffering from a mental illness. The poor man cannot help this, but I am sure that he could be treated in an appropriate hospital.

  7. Cardinal Capone 19 Aug 2012, 2:13pm

    More likely he may have been advised his offensive behaviour is counterproductive.

  8. Keith Farrell 19 Aug 2012, 2:13pm

    What an asshole, does he really think his church can lay down the law for us regular people, A large part of his own congregation would not agree with him if he told the truth, but this idiot leads his congregation with a pack of lies. It is not about GAY marrage but bout equality in the eyes of the law. you cannot get equality if you cling to two different word to define equality. Civil partnership is not marriage, it is not equal and can never be considered equal. I dont want to know who you sleep with and what you do in your bedroom, the same as you have no right to tell me who I may sleep with or what I do in my bedroom. I do however feel that I should have the same rights as you when it comes to my love and my spouse, therefor I demand to be able to call our civil partnership a marriage because that is what we have, a marriage of two souls.
    At least we are not hiding child molestors

    1. I always like it when anti-gay bigots say “But you’re just arguing over a word, what does it matter?”

      “Exactly, if doesn’t matter, why are you so hell-bent on preventing us from using that word?”

    2. No, the cardinal does not think…. period.

    3. No, the cardinal does not really think…. period.

  9. Pavlos Prince of Greece 19 Aug 2012, 2:37pm

    Bad luck and bad night!

    1. Dave North 20 Aug 2012, 9:52am

      A pointless term of phrase to be sure………..

  10. Spanner1960 19 Aug 2012, 2:49pm

    Well its nice to know the Catholic church are still open to discussion and compromise. Not.

    It just demonstrates how entrenched and out of touch these fckwits really are.

  11. Presumably, this is the “unprecedented backlash” he predicted.

  12. let’ see:
    1) the catholic church can’t accept OTHER religions having the right to perform legally binding weddings for same-sex couples within the context of their faith.

    2) the catholic church doesn’t accept non-religious weddings taking place completely outside the context of a church.

    3) the catholic church does not recognize the “free pass” they get with marriage equality… a “free pass” that allows them to continue discriminating against same-sex couples by refusing to acknowledge their relationships.

    SOLUTION:

    change the law.
    if you REALLY feel that the law has to conform to YOUR beliefs, then the majority should rule.
    force ALL religious establishments who want to perform ANY sort of marriage, to include same-sex weddings.

    you either do ALL marriage, or you do none.

    period.

    the only way to treat bigoted idiots like this.

  13. Bill (Scotland) 19 Aug 2012, 3:16pm

    Who cares what this bigot thinks? Move on and ignore him!

  14. He thinks about this ‘issue’ far too much.

    We are going to introduce equal civil marriage, with no ties to any religion. He has no business poking his nose in matters that do not concern him.

  15. Nice to see that the old coot has stopped talking to Alex Salmond.

    Now if he’d just stop talking to the rest of us as well then things would be grand…

  16. let them spend all their money on these stupid campaigns! so when the go broke they shut up and there will be no more stupidness!

  17. Look, I wear a big hat and no one is doing what I say. (Stamps foot) s’not fair. Not playing.

  18. I wonder how the parishoners feel about wasting !50,000 pounds on anti-gay propaganda? Money that could be used to help the poor and needy wasted to promote a hateful agenda. The Catholic Church has pretty much lost any shred of credibility. I can not imagine anyone supporting that corrupt organization. The fact is that thery are quickly becoming irrelevant in Western Civilization.

    1. Look, the Pope lives in a massive castle made of solid gold, I don’t think helping the poor would’ve been on the agenda anyway.

    2. I wrote to the cardinal earlier this year after one of his outbursts, and I asked why he has such as passion for gay issues yet neither he nor his flock were doing anything to help the numerous beggars and street people literally on his doorstep in Edinburgh. As predicted, he chose not to reply.

  19. Peter & Michael 19 Aug 2012, 3:44pm

    The man in Rome has laid down his church law, woe betide anyone in the church that goes against him, ! These people really have lost touch in their caring of society, thankfully, we shall not have a recurrence of the happenings in Russia in a secular society, nor should we have to tolerate a breach of Human Rights law in a European Union.

  20. Pavlos Prince of Greece 19 Aug 2012, 3:54pm

    Like in the fairy tale of Phedros about fox and grapes: fox can not reach it, because its better to say – I like it not at all!

    1. Sour grapes you mean.

  21. GingerlyColors 19 Aug 2012, 3:59pm

    What has the Catholic Church got to do with Scotland’s devolved government anyway? The people of Scotland voted in a referendum to have more say in their affairs. I doubt many Scots voted to move govenment away from London only to move closer to the Vatican City. How many times do we have to tell those bigots that we are not trying to stop them from marrying people of the opposite sex.

    1. The Roman Catholic Church has this obsession to dominate and control as much as possible including, science, education, politics and so on. It is interesting to note that every country that is under RCC and the Maria cult control has financial problems. Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece, Ireland (rep) Philippines, Poland and so on, while the Vatican and the hierarchy of the RCC and the Russian Orthodox church enjoy vast wealth.

  22. It’s absolutely sickening to think about how much good the churches could have done if they’d spent all this money and effort on something worthwhile like helping the homeless. But no, it seems that homophobic bigotry is not only the most important issue for organisations like the Catholic Church (at least at the top level), it’s the only issue!

    Can they really not see just how much damage they’re doing to themselves? Even if one ignores the fact that they are blatantly cherry-picking the Bible in order to condemn homosexuality while ignoring mixed fibres and all the rest, you really would think that if someone was religious for all the “right” reasons (e.g. love, compassion, tolerance, respect) then those things would win out and they would see accepting gay people as being the lesser of two evils.

    Something surely has to give. Sooner or later, these organisations will have to either apologise profusely for their hatred and clean up their act, or face what amounts to extinction.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 19 Aug 2012, 4:57pm

      Let’s hope extinction prevails, long overdue.

      1. Peter & Michael 19 Aug 2012, 5:05pm

        Yes please , as soon as possible !

  23. Pavlos Prince of Greece 19 Aug 2012, 5:04pm

    How sad, that John Paul II was not murdered on 13 May 1981 at the St. Peters Square in Rome! Now we all live be in a much better and much secular world, where such personalities like Cardinal O`Brien will be seen as a ridiculous fossil from Inquisition times. Unfortunate, Papa Gojdzyla has created very new paradigm of Pope-political leader, who still exist in all levels of Catholic Church for many years in the near future.

    1. Nah, there’d just be another one to take his place. Like the current guy.

  24. Overseas haven 19 Aug 2012, 5:08pm

    It is curious this obsession with homosexuality. It seems to me these people (bishops, cardinals, most priests) should be treated like ill-people who need care. Not only they frequently abuse children, but condemns gay people and homosexuality itself violently. Are they struggling with gay feelings?

    1. It might be satisfying to say all religious homophobes are secretly gay, but I think it’s more a consequence of the broader way religion interacts with sex and gender. Abrahamic religions are very much about controlling women and treating them as property, so they obsess over enforcing proper sexual behavior and gender roles. Anything that threatens that, such as birth control, women’s liberation, education of women, gay people, gay marriage and so on, is seen as threatening their religious identity until the faithful are dragged kicking and screaming into the next step towards modernity.

      Gay liberation’s just one of countless battle lines in Abrahamic religions’ attempts to control human sexuality and gender. Other religions, such as Buddhism and even Hinduism (to a degree), aren’t anywhere near as homophobic. I don’t claim they’re generally much better either.

    2. Having said all that, it’s hard to see why anyone who didn’t have some sexual issues would take up a job involving celibacy. So probably many Catholic priests are repressed, self-hating gays, and pedophiles too.

    3. Please stop calling it child abuse, its not. Lets call it exactly what it is. Its child rape and torture.

    4. There’s an interesting study suggesting homophobes are more likely to to be gay: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=homophobes-might-be-hidden-homosexuals. If you’re afraid of people finding out why you’re not sexually interested in the opposite sex, it makes sense to enter a profession that officially makes a virtue of celibacy and a rationale for living & sleeping in close and exclusive proximity to members of the same sex. The Catholic Church is indeed Heaven on Earth for closeted homosexuals. Unfortunately there are similar arguments explaining why it has proven such a safe haven for paedophiles. Removing celibacy as a professional requirement and permitting same-sex relationships would leave the paedophiles exposed like a sore thumb…perhaps the real reason Catholics oppose gay marriage so forcefully

  25. Wonderful news, further distance yourself to the Vatican and stay there. You are not needed and not wanted and you will not be missed by anyone. You hate merchants do not belong in our society or any society for that matter. And close the door behind you!

  26. Har Davids 19 Aug 2012, 6:12pm

    We all know he and his cronies don’t want to marry gays in their churches, because they’re an abomination in the eyes of their god. He had, and probably used, the chance to vote for homophobic politicians who try to put a stop to the whole process. Why does Alex Salmond waste his time on these idiots?

  27. Stu's personal Butt Plug collection...u. 19 Aug 2012, 6:50pm

    Has Stu(pid) phoned the police yet about this cardinal and why is Scotland willing to accommodate deviance?

    1. Katie Kool-eyes 19 Aug 2012, 7:22pm

      This sort of behavior on your part is harrasment, you really need to get a hobby. I see it’s sunny outside, please sit there and slowly crisp

    2. Arouse your mind from its torpor.

    3. Dave North 20 Aug 2012, 9:58am

      Protection from Harassment Act 1997; Section 2 offence – Harassment … Cyber stalking – Criminal Prosecution Service.

      Best read it now…..

  28. I’d be tickled pink of Catholic church officials broke off relations with government officials in the US. I couldn’t imagine a better state of affairs if that coven of child molesters stopped yammering about protecting children (which they clearly are inept at doing.)

  29. Michael Brooks 19 Aug 2012, 7:39pm

    I think that there are two separate Institutions of Marriage, the Civil and the Religious, therefore one cannot intervere with the other. No Civil Law may order the Church to perform same sex Marriage ceremonies, and at the same time, the Church cannot interfere with the Civil Rights of Gays to marry civilly. All have the right to Human Rights.

    1. Paddyswurds 19 Aug 2012, 8:38pm

      Actually Civil Law can order the Church to carry out Marriage for GLBs. Currently when the church marries someone they do so under license and must carry out the Civil part during the religious ceremony. Here in Ireland it is done at the end and used to be that the relevant people would retire to the vestry to do the State part but nowadays it must be carried out in front of the entire congregation. The State can withdraw this concession at any time and require that couples attend civil offices to be married before the church ceremony as they do in some jurisdictions..

  30. Francisco du Monde 19 Aug 2012, 7:43pm

    The Roman Catholic clergy think homosexuality is a major issue because most of them have a homosexual orientation.

    1. Eeeeuw, I do really hope not. I’d rather not have those creeps on my side of the fence, thanks all the same.

    2. Paddyswurds 19 Aug 2012, 8:41pm

      No you are confused. It is paedophilia that is the thing of the Roman cult and always has been from the off. Up until recently the age of consent for children was 11. I am unsure whether or not this has been changed but it may have been recently changed to 12.

      1. Paddyswurds 19 Aug 2012, 8:43pm

        **….
        ….age of consent for children was 11 in Vatican City **

  31. Paul Brownsey 19 Aug 2012, 7:44pm

    “Britain’s most senior Roman Catholic has moved to further isolate himself with Alex Salmond’s government.”

    English note; the preposition needed here is “from”, not “with”.

    If O’Brien is isolating himself *with* the Scottish Government, that means he’s hiding away in the same bunker that they are isolated in.

    1. Fr. Mike Donaghy 20 Aug 2012, 6:24pm

      Yeah, he is certainly homophobic and may be a closeted queen. What is his problem? I don’t get it! There are plenty of real problems in the world, like famine, disease, poverty, human rights, war, nuclear weapons, without getting at Gay / LGBT people.
      There are many LGBT Saints I know but the church would condemn us as evil. Why does the Catholic Church focus on us?

  32. I see the BBC article also mentions the fact that lying toad Kearney has decided to show his face again.

    Can Pink News confirm if Mr Kearney ever got round to providing the mass of evidence regarding gay men’s health and life expectancy. Last time I checked the end of THAT week was a while ago

    1. Hi Kris,

      Kearney has replied to MSP Patrick Harvie, with a load of discredited ‘evidence’

      http://www.patrickharviemsp.com/2012/08/a-reply-from-mr-kearney/

      1. Thank you for that. I still stand by my original description :)

  33. Play by MY rules, in MY garden and PROMISE me that I’LL always win or I’ll take my ball and GO HOME!

    All the grace and statesmanship of a two year old!

  34. This man is fixated on matters gay. Really, he must have gay thoughts morning, noon and night. It makes you wonder why he has such a fixation on gay people ;-)

  35. NutjobsareeverywheretheUNtoo 19 Aug 2012, 10:03pm

    Good now pack yer bags n fxxk off back to papa In Rome

  36. And nothing of value was lost.

  37. In some ways, we should see this as a positive.

    We’re witnessing the Catholic Church withdrawing from political life, effectively resigned to it’s own fate, and killing itself off. Good!

  38. Whenever I see him I just picture the episode of Father Ted when Ted & Dougal are protesting about a rude film

    “down with this sort of thing….careful now”

  39. Let’s hope Scottish Catholics choose to vote on legitimate political matters and do not sheepishly follow this moron. Most Catholics ignore the rubbish that gets spouted at them about contraception, abortion etc anyway.

    1. 90% of Scottish parishioners attending Mass ignored his call to write in protest to the govt’s proposals – even though his minions had pre-printed postcards stacked at the back of churches already written and addressed.

  40. A man. In a frock. With a swinging handbag. ’nuff said.

  41. Keith O’Brien and The Catholic Church have described same sex marriage as a “dangerous social experiment on a massive scale”.

    Which is why since 2001, eleven countries have disappeared (Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Iceland, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, South Africa, Sweden) and some sub-national jurisdictions (parts of Mexico and the United States) just simply disappeared after recognising same sex marriage.

  42. Such a grown up response. My 15 year old nephew is more mature than this wrinkled old cretin!

  43. GulliverUK 20 Aug 2012, 8:38am

    If you search google back in 2005/06 you’ll find him utterly opposed to Civil Partnerships, saying;

    Dec 2005, BBC
    Cardinal Keith O’Brien, said: “The Scottish people must be aware that by the end of the year we will see the reality of marriage changed to the point that it is unrecognizable.

    “We are indulging in an experiment which will always have huge social consequences.”

    and the Scottish government haven’t ignored the churches at all, they’ve been told repeatedly they will not have to offer these, they will be protected. They may say they don’t believe the government, but then many people don’t believe them when they say there is a God and that the Bible is infallible and the word of said God. The consultation was to get a broad range of opinions, not tens of thousands of comments from an automated system or pre-printed post cards.

  44. Poor guy, he’s upset cause he wasn’t taken seriously when he wanted his imaginary friend’s ‘revelations’ to be the law.
    I have no problems with anyone practicing their religious beliefs until it infringes on the rights of others.

    There’s no “real” reason against gay couples getting married, outside of ancient religious scripture-written by ignorant sand scribes of a primitive culture.
    Therefore any argument made by a religious perspective that will affect the lives of others, including same sex couples, shouldn’t be taken seriously.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 20 Aug 2012, 11:58am

      The Abrahamic cults are primitive indeed. Judaism and Islam practice sexual mutilation against males in the form of circumcision which had nothing to do with health reasons as it is claimed today by some in the medical profession, while Christianity followed a man tortured and nailed to a piece of wood where he supposedly died a long and painful death. The roman cult believes in transubstantiation, words of consecration turning a wafer into the body of Jesus Christ and the wine into blood, both of which it’s followers must eat and drink to be in communion with God, celebrated on altars containing relics of saints. Yet they want to oppose the rights of people to have access to civil marriage?

    2. “There’s no “real” reason against gay couples getting married, outside of ancient religious scripture”

      Actually there is not even that, scripture does not actually support the anti-gay stance of the Catholic church nor the Anglican church.

  45. I notice it says he has left further discussion to his representatives – so, is the implication that he cannot discuss it without throwing a hissy-fit and doing more damage to his religion’s credibility?

  46. Cardinal throws toys out of pram…

    … What a surprise! Not!

  47. Perhaps this ridiculous man did his training in that seat of liberal thought, Salamanca, where they have a bust of Franco in the town square (the original so vandalised that it has been replaced by a plastic version; easire to keep clean).
    Strangely it was in this same square that we witnessed the wedding party of a same sex couple (legal in Spain in the town hall or church).
    It was about 8 in the evening when the population were taking their promenade. They, the ordinairy people, almost to a man and woman applauded the wedding party (not unusual in Spain where they even politely applaud at funerals).
    That this can happen in the inner sanctum of a bigotted church just goes to show how out of touch they really are.

  48. When you can’t engage in reasoned debate (because you don’t have any valid arguments…) then revert to bullying and coercion. When bullying and coercion don’t work then through your toys out of the pram. If you want to cut off relations with the Scottish govt Cardinal O’Brien then it can work both ways. The State should stop funding Catholic schools and revoke the charitable status of the Catholic church.

  49. Imagine Cardinal O’Brien refusing to communicate with you. Bliss!!

  50. casparthegood 20 Aug 2012, 10:26am

    thats one pain in the @ss less for Alex today then

  51. Catholic Church is against gay marriage, but a Catholic priest can chase a 12 year old boy down the street in his underwear. Crazyland!

    http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2012/08/police_woodburn_priest_chased.html

  52. John Jerrom I am glad he is isolating himself and the church from government!!! Ths State and Church should be seperate anyway. How dare the Church think they should be the moral compass for the nation…. With church attendance down and some shocking revelations from within their organisation over the years you would think they would be supporting us to get us in the doors not p*ssing us off!!!! Time for this ridiculous outmoded “old boys club” to sweep its own backyard before standing in judgement of us!!!!!!

  53. And of course, he now realises that his own hate-filled bigoted words will go down in the history books. And that’s why he’s trying to run away now.
    Too late.

  54. Good ! The church shouldn’t even be consulted on this issue, we already know the stance they’ve taken.

  55. Why is Keith O’Brien dressed up in a nurse’s uniform?

  56. Garry Cassell 20 Aug 2012, 2:23pm

    Why should the government be concerned what the bigoted church thinks…they have no place or voice in the government,,,they are not elected…The church should go and F**** themselves..or each other.

  57. So Baby Keith took his ball and ran home!! What an utterly childish and infantile response. Someone should tell him that stamping his foot and throwing a childish hissy-fit says more about him than about his argument or those he disagrees with … and it most assuredly is not complimentary!!!

  58. Piper Oeter 20 Aug 2012, 2:38pm

    Go the less influence he has the better!

  59. Pavlos Prince of Greece 20 Aug 2012, 3:01pm

    Its time to leave politics, Mr. O`Brien, and to begin live the real Christian life, before its too late. What about became monk or so?

  60. Keith Farrell 20 Aug 2012, 5:40pm

    I like this, the stupid drag queen from the Catholic church want to snk the Scotish goverment because this goverment want to give us equal rights. Well asshole, take yourself and your church and leave this country, we will be quite happy to see you go. You and your church have done nothing about all the child molestation done by your priests, I have never receive an apology, and would be quite happy to see your church closed for ever

  61. His “Queeny Strop” has seemed to have caused a hardly ripple in the National Press either yesterday or today…… Keep on with it Mr O’Brian the more you flounce out of the room (careful you don’t trip on your frock on the way out dearie!) the more people see you for the one-trick pony you really are and the less they’ll listen to you .
    p.s you might like to ask your apologist in chief Mr Kearney about the Scottish expression “Toom Tabard ” and how it suits you so well;

    1. ‘Miss’ to you.

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