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  1. Sadly predictable, I think. I couldn’t imagine they’d be let off, even with international pressure. I just hope their sentences aren’t very long..

  2. Bad news.

    Then again Russia is a dictatorship so this is hardly surprising.

    Backward, primitive dumps like Russia can get away with this because they have oil.

    Still though – within 100 years much of Russia will be controlled by China, so the dictatorship won’t last.

    1. Because China, as we all know, is a veritable beacon of democratic openness and social progressivism…

      1. Of course it is not – are you mad?

        It’s definitely better than Russia though.

        1. Don’t forget that the US has less than 5% of the world’s population but has almost a quarter of the world’s prisoners. Dictatorships aren’t always that obvious.

        2. Is it? Is it really? The Chinese government is complicit in human rights abuses just as deplorable as those of Putin’s cronies, and indulges in exactly the same kind of corrupt dealings and crimes.

    2. Please feel free to expand on how Russia is a dictatorship.

      1. 2 words – Vladimir Putin.

        1. Short arse Czar Vladimir Putin and his equally corrupt cronies in the Russian (KGB) Church wet their little panties when anyone says, oh look a short arsed dictator who is one day likely to go the same way as the Chauchesku’s or any number of other corrupt loathsome now dead dictators. He has shown to the world how much he fears any opposition and that is the beginning of the end for any dictator. Free Pussy Riot and free Russia.

      2. Paddyswurds 18 Aug 2012, 8:18pm

        Ejsel …
        … .. .I have read some idiotic comments and questions on these threads in the past, but yours surpasses all by light years. Are you really as naive as you seem or are you just pretending. If it is just naivete fine but if it is pretension, to be so stupid is psychotic…..

    3. Very unlikely – China’s economy is only in a boom because of the numerous youngsters that keep the nation on the up… What will happen when these youngsters retire? China will hit a massive boom to bust within the next 50yrs.

      Russia will have fallen miles behind in an economical sense by then… If any of them have any sense, they’d leave there a.s.a.p.

      1. Paddyswurds 18 Aug 2012, 8:36pm

        @SeanH…
        …. China’s economy is in such a boom firstly, because of the greed of those in the west who, on the part of the industrialists who moved their manufacturing base to china because you can get 12 hours out of a Chinese worker for 50c while you would be hard pressed to get a paltry 6.5 to 7.5 hours from a western, (Brit, Yank whatever) worker for perhaps 10 to 12 times as much, and secondly because we in the west have become obsessed with the cheap throw away consumerism that has become so much part of western culture.
        A visit to any recycle skip site nowadays is to say the least shocking when one sees what people are throwing away nowadays. So, unless there is a huge change of attitude in the west Chinas boom is destined to continue at least until they are sure all the western factories are closed forever. Then things will turn out to be not so cheap.
        As for Russia, it is headed for an ignominious end and let me say it will be messy for planet Earth and all life on it…..

  3. Pussy Riot deserve all our support. They are standing up against terrible odds. But let’s not be hypocritcal. If a similar protest was held in the UK there would also be public and political uproar.
    Remember when OutRage staged a protest in Canterbury Cathedral?

    1. Cardinal Capone 17 Aug 2012, 3:55pm

      I don’t remember anyone going to jail.

      1. 2 years in jail each.

      2. Cardinal Capone 17 Aug 2012, 5:21pm

        Only Tatchell was arrested (out of 7 people), and he was fined £18.60, plus costs.
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/225550.stm

      3. You’re right,nobody went to jail, but at the time there was very little public sympathy with those involved, and the trial was an ordeal that could have resulted in 2 months in prison and a 2000 pound fine.

        This pussy riot conviction and sentence is appalling. These are brave women indeed to stand up to the Russian establishment. I can’t recall such an audacious act of protest in that country. it seems finding their voices and I hope its a movement that grows.

        But while we protest about Russia should not delude ourselves that dissent is welcomed on our shores either. Only the most benign of protests are tolerated and these sadly seem to achieve very little.

    2. There are being some rather good demonstrations in their support, worldwide. There need to be more, ongoing. The Ukrainian women’s group FEMEN chain-sawed down the large wooden orthodox cross erected in Kiev after the Orange Revolution in protest, just like it was a tree. And posted the video. Brilliant. A statue of Russian workers in a Moscow underground station was dressed as if Pussy Riot members, and photographed, by other supporters….

      Perhaps a Pussy Riots demo combined with a “Free Julian” one, in Knightsbridge? Maybe Julian could slip away with one of the balaclavas hiding his identity?

  4. Religion exploited by those in power to shackle liberty and silence dissent.

    This is why it is an utter scourge on humanity – a useful tool of oppression once the weak and ignorant have been sufficiently bedazzled by hocus pocus and promised paradise.

    Listening to the telecast and hearing the talk about “insulting god” was despicable. How small, weak, insecure craven and pathetic is their “god” if it can be insulted by a group of singing women…

    1. Curious how Putin is so protective of the Russian Orthodox Church, when only a decade ago or two, the Orthodox Church was so suppressed by the former Communist reigme.

      1. Because he sees it as a useful tool. People might resist political extremism, but if he wraps it up in the church and uses it as an excuse, he can get away with things like jailing people for speech he (his regime) does not approve of.

        Seneca: “Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful”

  5. Paddyswurds 17 Aug 2012, 2:32pm

    So this is the New and Improved Russia. Putins personal fiefdom. Lenin must be spinning in his mausoleum.

  6. The Russian authorities must be scared of them to treat them this way but turning them into political prisoners will only make these women more politically powerful in the long run.

    1. In the year 2012 Russia is famous for rigged elections; the murder and disappearance of journalists and dissidents; chronic alcoholism; chronic corruption and no freedom of speech or assembly.

      Yet the west continues to pretend it is a democracy.

      Must be all that oil they have.

  7. “Hooliganism” indeed. The Moscow patriarchate are a clan of thugs who even sent their skinheads across the borders to Ukraine to violently attack this year’s gay pride.

  8. This is a waking wet dream for The Christian Institute.

    1. Rather their US paymasters. The fundie and pentescostal sects swept, with western government support, into the countries of the former Soviet Union – which had always basically been opposed by the west for being anti-religion – as soon as the barriers came down. And the laws to defend children from LGBT are specifically Rev Scott Lively, who launched the Ugandan “Kill the Gays” bill campaign too.

      The Russian Orthodox church, which was of course state controlled under communism, has got more vocal and right wing to compete (as has Anglicanism in Africa) , and all have benefited as religiosity has surged. Now the politicians feel they need their support.

  9. Wasn’t long enough….

    1. Bit like your penis eh? Do you stand on tippy toes to make yourself look taller like Putin does?

      1. well macca you haven’t lived in Russia…they new what would happen
        by doing what they did….live by the sword…..its nothing to do with freedom of speech…its about respect…which is very lacking in this country….and i have i slept with you to know about my….so you got that wrong as well….

        1. So you know that I am not Russian, not born there or grew up there do you? Not about freedom of speech? It’s all about respect? You are not terribly bright are you? Russia is a madhouse ruled by a madman who is a hairs breath away from returning the country to the days of Gulag and summary executions in the basement of the Lubyanka. You think it is about respect, You obviously know nothing of Russia’s history and the suffering of its people at the hands of men such as Czar Putin and his KGB underlings who are now running the Kremlin, the Church, the Courts, and the State. Putin has no respect for anything but power and money like all scum dictators of his ilk give it time and he will finish up like they have and Russia will be free.

        2. Paddyswurds 17 Aug 2012, 9:03pm

          ….”they new” really John. Such simple silly mistakes make a nonsense of your comments. If you can’t spell a simple word how can you know anything about Russia.

          1. i knew that degree was a waste of time….thank god ive got my own business……

          2. Paddyswurds 20 Aug 2012, 8:36am

            One assumes it wasn’t an English degree….

  10. Two years? For singing a protest song?

    And what on earth does this mean “the “jerking of limbs” during their protest performance was further proof of their hatred towards Christians”. Christians jerk their limbs??

    1. Cardinal Capone 17 Aug 2012, 3:59pm

      I think something similar was said against Elvis in his early days.

    2. Russian Orthodox are not Christian neither is the Roman Catholic Church These people are anti-Christs.

  11. I feel very sorry for the average russian person through the last few centuries; first off they were berated by the Tsars, then beaten by the socialist dictators and now they have Putin who is like a strange love child of the two. How much longer before they finally get sick of their government I wonder…

  12. Robert in S. Kensington 17 Aug 2012, 3:49pm

    As an atheist, I understand Pussy Riot’s actions. That said, it is an offence in most countries to disrupt a religious service. I think the sentence they’ve been given is two years in jail, extremely harsh but then that’s Russia for you. China isn’t much better either, one of the worse human rights violations records in the world, yet the world trades with it, a communist regime no less.

    1. Cardinal Capone 17 Aug 2012, 4:01pm

      They were giving a concert, not disrupting a service, according to what I read.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 17 Aug 2012, 5:20pm

        Either way, a harsh sentence and unjust, but Russia knows nothing about justice or basic human rights and neither does China for that matter, among many others.

        1. Cardinal Capone 17 Aug 2012, 5:27pm

          China is pretty neutral on gay issues, neither “encouraging” it nor persecuting it.

      2. Not even that, which was a false accusation in court, based upon music having been dubbed on to the video later. It was just a bit of shouting in the Cathedral when there was no service, videoed, posted, and webbed.

      3. A concert in a church? :) Seriously? :)

        Mind it, I’m an atheist, but still think their stunt was awful. However, they don’t deserve all this. The usual punishment for hooliganism is 15 days’ detention or public works. They should’ve let the girls sweep the streets for a couple of weeks and then let them go in peace. The church shouldn’t have so much influence, we’re a secular state after all. Besides, the priests have much more serious crimes of their own to answer for. Merciful religion, my arse.

  13. Two years? Outrageous. Disgusting.

  14. This is a sad day for Chistrians and religion. It is proof their faith cannot be strong enough to withstand criticism.

    This brings shame on Russia.

  15. Cardinal Capone 17 Aug 2012, 4:18pm

    The original incident only took a couple of minutes, and there was no actual concert. What they did was filmed then re-edited and a music track added. Both videos can be seen here:

    http://www.rferl.org/content/pussy-riot-what-really-happened-russia-trial/24660925.html

    It was nothing more than a minor disturbance in the church, and clearly no service was going on.

    When they did something similar in Red Square, members of the group were fined about £15.

    1. Heavy handed is not the word

      Putin may have put the Puuut . . in

      But what is he so scared of . . .

  16. Cardinal Capone 17 Aug 2012, 4:35pm

    Really they seem to be a sort of alternative flash mob, particularly if you look at the Red Square video.

    Let’s hope it’s the start of something big amongst young people in Russia. The heavy jail sentence will certainly make them into martyrs against authoritarianism.

  17. The judge was a woman. Unbelievable. Shame on that vicious puppet. The former USSR is a toilet populated by some of the most bigoted cretins you could meet outside of Islam.

    1. Staircase2 17 Aug 2012, 5:56pm

      …you had to find a way to weave some Islamaphobia in there and destroy any credibility you had didn’t you…

    2. Paddyswurds 17 Aug 2012, 10:41pm

      I think you’ll find serious competition for most bigoted anywhere in the USA but especially southern USA

      1. Paddyswurds 17 Aug 2012, 10:44pm

        Also Cal don’t forget that just because of an accident of birth you might also be Islamic. We are all products of our environment. Had Ratzi the Naz1 been born a few hundred miles further east he would probably be an Imam, or a Rabbi or if African a witch doctor. today.

  18. Staircase2 17 Aug 2012, 5:55pm

    Outrageous

  19. I guess Cameron’s “chat” with Putin during the judo fell upon deaf ears. Most dictators suffer the same fate and I’ll be watching with eager eyes when this happens to Putin…

  20. What must be remembered here is that Russia wants to avoid the social order being undermined like Germany wants to avoid hyperinflation because both countries experienced savage consequences when these two darknesses fell upon their lands. The old communists formented social unrest amoung the poor to bring down the then existing social order and I feel that the new revolutionaries forment unrest among practicing homosexuals to acheive a similar end, which is to create emnity between God and the Russian people, so as to rid Russia of internal peace.
    Now I do not say that I am not a sinner, I am, but I recognise that in a society where there is grave sin, there is grave consequences for social order in that society.

    1. I am laughing at you and your absurdities. Putin puppet dancing for your thief master. What must be remembered is that Putin is KGB, He gives out the orders and people die. He has a lust for power like all dictators of his kind he thinks that he is invincible and that all he must do is silence any opposition to his rule. He will fall. The people will throw him down it is only a matter of time. There is no God and Russia has never known peace thanks to men like Putin. Free Pussy Riot and free Russia.

      1. Putin is a sociopathic homophobic gangster thug, as are his cronies. The people of Russia deserve better, and many of them know it. The persecution of these brave women is going to generate even more anger against Putin and his corrupt regime among the young. The days of his regime are numbered: and people are not going to forget what he did to them.

      2. Oh yes there is a God.

        1. Nonsense, there is no such thing, grow up.

        2. Evidence for this ridiculous assertion please…

  21. And what about people who are motivated to hate by religion where are their prison sentences?

    1. My religon does not motivate me to hate a person for example for being homosexual, we are COMMANDED to love and respect gay people, what we object to strongly is homosexual sexual practice, and its demand for equal esteem and honour in society, when clearly it is not for the benefit of society. Practiced openly and widely, same -sex sexual relationships UNDERMINES the social order, just if Heroin or Cannabis was legalised, society would break down in quite a short time.
      Why can’t gay people be honest and admit it is about satisfying a sexual lust which is highly self centered and covetous.
      I am a single middle aged straight man, who is able to live as a celibate. So if I who am weak and poor can live chastely, why can’t gays live chastely also?

      1. Flagged. Bye bye.

      2. You need help with your mental illness and I sincerely hope that you get it,

      3. let me guess, another religious nutter who thinks that sex outside heterosexual marriage underminds social order, ever wondered why you are still single?

      4. Your premise is ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous. Why do you believe this crock of nonsense? Gay love is exactly the same thing as straight love. Gay sex is no more or less morally questionable than straight sex. What on earth makes you think it “undermines” society? Where’s your evidence for that stupid claim? Because the actual evidence seems to show precisely the opposite – the places where same-sex love is treated equally are the strongest, most successful, most stable and progressive societies. Because love and strong relationships help to civilize people, bind societies together, and promote tolerance, equality and respect.

        And we do not wish to be neurotically celibate thank you. Because there is nothing wrong with sex. It’s fun, it’s satisfying and it’s a good way to express our love for one another. There is no advantage to shunning this perfectly natural biological urge that we evolved with, so why on earth should we?

  22. Stupid bitches deserved what they got, and more!

  23. Burd Turglars disease 18 Aug 2012, 10:14am

    Nice to see the law breaking deviants banged up. Inciting religious hatred is a crime.

    1. If you want to talk about religious hatred, how about the homophobic, misogynistic hatred spread by the Russian Orthodox Church and the Russian government? You are a sad and funny creature indeed, who claims to reject hatred and yet hatefully condemns the very people who risk their freedom to oppose it.

      1. I don’t wish to be lectured by a deviant.

        1. You are well named it brings out your true personality.

  24. The Real james 18 Aug 2012, 1:56pm

    I don’t remember this kind of outrage when a man in Britain was sentenced to 6 months for burning a koran. Imagine if a group of EDL had gone into East London Mosque and interrupted the service there, shouting anti-islamic slogans. After the riot that would break out across Britain, none of you lot would have any sympathy for the 3 years in prison that those men would get. Those who support Pussy Riot v. the Orthodox Church are hypocrites if they don’t support EDL against Islam.

    1. The difference, in case you hadn’t noticed, is that the Russian Orthodox Church are complicit in propping up the corrupt and tyrannical political regime of Putin and the oligarchs, where British muslims keep themselves to themselves and, a tiny handful of weirdoes and bad apples aside, don’t seek to oppress others. It is not the mumbo-jumbo of the Russian church that they were protesting against, it was their part in systematic state homophobia and misogyny.

      Were British muslims engaged in that sort of oppression, and were the state supporting them, such protests would be entirely reasonable. That is so far from what is really happening today as to be vaguely insulting as a comparison. Thugs like the EDL are taking out their racist bigotry against a minority group, and that will never be a laudable thing however misguided and horrible some of the religious doctrines some of those people believe in are.

      1. Islam is a doctrine not a specific race. And a protest in east london mosque, which has been complicit with inviting hate preachers , would also be entirely reasonable. But in this country, double standards are abundant.

        1. “Islam” is a variety of cultural markers, ideas, and personal affiliations. Just like any other cultural construct. It is no more monolithic or universal than anything else, and the people who call themselves muslims are a diverse bunch with similarly diverse takes on life. But the vast majority of such people are from Middle Eastern backgrounds, and the ire towards them from racists like the EDL and the BNP is based largely on this fact.

  25. Fairly typical for Russian politics. Dictator Putin does not like to be criticised. After all he is KGB or the ‘modern’ day equivalent of it. He is a nasty piece of work. I am sorry it has happened to the girls.

  26. Although this sentence is a travesty. If there was a similar protest in a mosque in london , they would probably have got a longer sentence in the uk for “religious intolerance”.

  27. Here is the offending Pussy Riot video on YouTube:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALS92big4TY

    Well done to them. I hope there will be more musicians, artists and political activists challenging this vile, corrupt, homophobic regime, and the low-life church hierarchy underpinning it.

    Russia needs to get into the 21st century, and it has many progressive citizens that will enable it to get there.

    Way to go, Pussy Riot!

  28. John M. Joyce 19 Aug 2012, 3:13pm

    In my opinion these potty-mouthed and deliberately offensive young women got exactly what they deserved for reasons I explained here: http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_display.cfm/blog_id/43497

    1. This outfit and Curt Rosen and his African fundamentalist organisation are linked. The American Christian fundamentalist (taliban) Right Wing alive and kicking. Joyce do go and take a running jump and take your religionist idiocy with you.

      1. John M. Joyce 19 Aug 2012, 10:37pm

        Macca/
        Actually (and YOU didn’t check), NER isn’t linked with anybody and is NOT a Christian organisation, fundamentalist or otherwise. It happens to be an online monthly magazine and a book publisher. I happen to be gay (and a Christian) and a contributor to NER, its blog and The World Encounter Institute in Nashville, Tennessee which is in NO WAY related to WorldEncounter in St. Paul, Minnesota which indulges in activities in Africa which are highly questionable to say the least. That is something that you could have easily ascertained by reading our website and then not jumping to a false conclusion based on a similarity of names. Your libel against NER is entirely your own fault but I resent you confusing me and my colleagues with strange fundamentalists of uncertain sanity.

        I do, however, stand by my comments about the foul-mouthed Pussy Riot far-left radical and fanatical collective and its involvement with very strange activities and organisations inside Russia.

  29. Stu's personal Butt Plug collection./. 19 Aug 2012, 7:00pm

    Pussy Rot fought the law and the law won.
    Hope their next tour is Uganda!

    1. Yawn, bored.

  30. John M. Joyce 19 Aug 2012, 11:14pm

    Macca (above)/
    Actually (and YOU didn’t check), NER isn’t linked with anybody and is NOT a Christian organisation, fundamentalist or otherwise. It happens to be an online monthly magazine and a book publisher. I happen to be gay (and a Christian) and a contributor to NER, its blog and The World Encounter Institute in Nashville, Tennessee which is in NO WAY related to WorldEncounter in St. Paul, Minnesota which indulges in activities in Africa which are highly questionable to say the least. That is something that you could have easily ascertained by reading our website and then not jumping to a false conclusion based on a similarity of names. Your libel against NER is entirely your own fault but I resent you confusing me and my colleagues with strange fundamentalists of uncertain sanity.

    I do, however, stand by my comments about the foul-mouthed Pussy Riot far-left radical, fanatical collective and its involvement with very strange activities and organisations inside Russia.

  31. Do not live in Russia. You have big borders. Just leave now. Vote with your feet.

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