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  1. Strange how this tragic murder of a gay man doesn’t garner comment from the president or Roomy and yet the shooting and injury of someone at Family research centre does… don’t ya think?

    1. Good point, though perhaps if it was known to be a homophobic attack they might feel it necessary to say something.

      1. Lets not set a precedent here.
        Should that nice Mr. Romney win the election, he would have to be making comments every other day when his policies are found to ruin the lives of LGBT citizens. There would be no time for him to do anything else.

      2. Yes. Which somehow feels worse.

  2. And so many people in the USA continue to defend their gun laws.

    1. Well those laws will never change, so no point in complaining about them.

      The US loves its murder weapons.

      It’s a christian country, and christianity and owning murder weapons go hand in hand.

      1. They said that about its slavery laws too. Those changed.

      2. dAVID, you NEVER miss an opportunity to show your utter hatred for America and all things American.

        As an American myself who fits into NONE of your nasty stereotypes I can say that your Yankaphobic obsessions are becoming tiresome and annoying.

    2. On an ideological level (self protection and protection from the government) the gun laws make sense and they made sense when america was still quite a wild country with a small population… however in the 21st century when populations are much larger, unruly and not everyone can be accounted for, this law seems petty and irrelevant when displayed in the face of such atrocious shootings.

      I fear the US is between a rock and a hard place on this one and the issue will not be resolved lightly.

  3. I blame the shooter, and I blame the Family Research Council for this.

    The culture of hatred and bigotry fostered by hate-groups like the FRC leads to these type of crimes.

  4. Robert in S. Kensington 16 Aug 2012, 1:18pm

    From my limited knowledge of the American constitution and the second amendment, the right to bear arms only applied to the militia during the years leading up to and during the war of independence in 1776, since the colonies had no standing army of it’s own.

    1. Jon "maddog" Hall 16 Aug 2012, 1:57pm

      Robert, I do not follow your logic here, as the Constitution was written far after the War of Independence, and the first ten amendments (including “the right to bear arms”) were written after that.

      1. True, but the Amendments and Constitution were informed by events prior to the War Of Independence, and so the right to bear arms was an idea that already existed before the Second Amendment, and, I think, had also existed already in some individual state’s constitutions. So in a way they were continuing with an old idea, which, could have had its basis in the earlier militias, and I guess the idea/right were well entrenched by then.

        1. *WAS well entrenched – sorry!

        2. As usual, Iris, you are exactly right!

    2. Paddyswurds 16 Aug 2012, 3:03pm

      Robert, How do you think the war of Independence was won without a standing Army. The thirteen original Colonies did have an Army under the Command of George Washington, a large portion of whom were Irish, as Washington acknowledged after the successful conclusion of that war. .

      1. Paddyswurds 16 Aug 2012, 5:18pm

        Marked down, Really? My comment is fact not opinion as you will find if you have a look at Encyl.Brittanica.

      2. Paddyswurds 16 Aug 2012, 5:24pm

        Marked down? Really? My post was fact not opinion and you should look up George Washingtons Continental Army or just Continental Army.

  5. Paddyswurds 16 Aug 2012, 2:53pm

    NOT a hate crime? Yea Right! This is Maryland, buybul belt America and if the cops had caught the guy standing there with a still smoking gun pointed at the to me and a sign around his neck that said KILL ALL FAGS they would have argued he was British and anti smoking!

    1. Paddyswurds 16 Aug 2012, 2:53pm

      …two men**

  6. John M. Joyce 16 Aug 2012, 3:51pm

    In fact the USA gun laws – the right to bear arms – have no relevance to this, or any other, case. Armed massacres are equally as common in Europe (and elsewhere) and the UK has had its fair share as well: think of Dunblane, think of Hungerford, think of Cumbria to name but three from a very long list. Those people bent on mass killing for their own bad reasons will always find a way despite gun control laws. There is no evidence that such laws prevent this type of shooting – they may, however, prevent the crime-of-passion type of shooting which is, by definition, spur of the moment in its planning and execution.

    1. This incident looks more like a drive-by shooting than a massacre, and I think you’ll find there’s absolutely no comparison between the those statistics in relation to the USA and those concerning Europe including the UK.

    2. Fact – there IS evidence that gun restrictions reduce massacres.

      Australia had 13 gun massacres killing 102 people in the 18 years before Howard tightened the gun laws (1996). Since 1996, gun massacres = 0.

    3. You can’t even begin to compare the massacres in the U.K, with the ones thaT take place regularly in the U.S?

  7. I find it interesting that the police have NO suspect, NO motive and NO leads but yet they’ve determined that it wasn’t related to the men’s sexuality.

    1. I wonder how many of the cops are secretly assuming it was a domestic tiff between two jealous gay lovers.

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