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New Archbishop of Glasgow ‘wishes he never linked MP’s death to being gay’

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  1. Nonsense. He just regrets getting caught on the record. I don’t believe for one single second that his opinion has changed, someone has just told him to be more careful who he spouts his bilge to.

    1. I agree with you Valsky, he’ makes a “sincere” apology and five days from now he’ll go back to saying that gay marriage will destroy the universe.

    2. Ben Foster 7 Aug 2012, 12:47pm

      Exactly my thought on the matter.

    3. It’s like claiming that “it was the alcohol speaking” when you awake the next morning and realize that you must explain some awful statements you made the night before.

      He wouldn’t have said it if he didn’t believe it, and it’s his belief that matters.

  2. Cardinal Capone 7 Aug 2012, 10:42am

    He sounds like another brick in a wall of ignorance being built by the current regime in Rome.

  3. The lack of compassion (supposedly a Christian trait!!!) in making comments which are inaccurate. The venom of refusing to apologise unless one was asked for in writing. The ignorance and arrogance of claiming evidence supports their “knowledge” about homosexual orientation being linked to early death, when all scientific studies saying this have been discredited and the wealth of evidence supports there being no link.

    For me, this makes this an admission of being embarrassed by the Archbishop-elect (as well he might be) but does not equal an apology.

    I note the RC church struggle to deal with evidence having failed to respond to Patrick Harvie’s challenge (within the time scale they themselves set).

    Sure, robust debate is good. When you demean people with inaccurate and insulting rhetoric that is false and couple this with the most grotesque language – then to rub salt in the wound you refuse to apologise unless it is asked for in writing, and then put a meek “apology” in a

    1. publication few people would usually see – following a call from your “leader” to declare war on those supporting equality. Then this is not robust debate – this is scurrilous lies, manipulation, falsehood, deception, pique, and blase attempts to try and subjugate others.

      It is far from surprising from leaders of an organisation that time and again has shown itself to have leaders who manipulate, lie, deceive and act in an obtuse and inhumane manner, even obstructing criminal investigations and failing to protect innocent young children.

      The apology lacks any sincerity and the Archbishop will frequently be reminded of his odious behaviour.

    2. this life expectancy thing is the amsterdamn report form a couple decades ago. An american hate group FRC got the ages of about 100 gays who had died early and averaged them> It ignored all those living to a ripe old age. Simply claiming all gays would die an early death

      1. It certainly is the Dr Cameron “research” and is entirely discredited.

  4. The man is ignorant and hateful, just like the rest of the clergy!

  5. If he had any decency he would resign.

    He is clearly a disgusting bigot with no respect or compassion for other human beings.

    He is an abhorrent man, and brings further disgrace and shame to the catholic cult.

  6. So this hateful monster is due to be enthroned in September?

    Will there be a protest.

    This monstrous scumbag thinks that being gay kills a person.

    His sickening bigotry means that he is a legitimate target of protest and we must make sure that he understands how disgusting his views are.

    As for his non-apology – he can shove that up his ass.

    1. I’m up for a protest – anyone like the Equality Network etc organising one?

      1. Mind, the Equality Network is a government funded body.

        1. So are many charities and that does not stop them engaging in campaigns and protests.

          The other point is the protest would not be againsst government – it would be against the RC church leadership; which is a very worthwhile form of protest.

  7. “He later added “I would hope we can have reasoned and robust discussions while speaking in a respectful and civilised manner.””

    Yeah right!

    1. He wouldn’t know how to talk respectfully and in a civilised manner or how to show “Christian” compassion if it hit him in the face.

  8. It always makes me chuckle when religious people appeal for a ‘reasoned’ debate on anything at all!

    1. A small minority can – my experience is the leadership of the RC church fail to comprehend logic, reason or evidence. Hence their breach of their promise to respond to Patrick Harvies challenge.

      1. Being religious means being irrational as it requires a belief in an imaginary ‘god’.

        It is impossible to reason with the religious.

    2. ok being reasonable means no mention of “God” or quotes from a work of fiction. O wait theres nothing left for them to say.

  9. Dave North 7 Aug 2012, 11:21am

    “when you consider that Christ is the answer to humanity’s deepest longings and points the way for society to progress, ”

    I think you mean REGRESS…..

    1. Regression like the 1000 year dark ages when catholic kings in cabal with the vatican ruled Europe

      Zero social and economic progress, may wars and the 500 year invasions of Muslim lands, part of which was to force the arab “heretics” to convert.

      Tens of millions died, and the arabs havnt’ forgotten. Hate creates more hate and hence 9-11 etc

  10. It always makes me chuckle when religious people ask for a ‘reasoned’ debate about anything whatever!

    1. Whoops! Sorry folks! This second one’s a boob, blame the computer…

  11. Where was his common sense?

    1. Maybe he’s just happy being common and can do without the sense bit.

  12. Thanks for the apology..

    And you are still a turd.

  13. Robert in S. Kensington 7 Aug 2012, 12:17pm

    Utter rubbish. He’s retracted his statement because of increasing pressure from many people who do not subscribe to his bigotry, including many in his own church.

    That he spreads hugely erroneous information in regard to sexual orientation, information that has been thoroughly debunked overhwelmingly by legitimate medical and scientific institutions is tantamount to bearing false witness against one’s neighbour, i.e. gay people, a violation of the 8th commandment. This passes for “christian” charity? To me it proves that many in the clergy are nothing more than the biggest hypocrites of all, something that Jesus Christ never tolerated. I see no likeness between Tartaglia and his ilk and Jesus Christ who they claim to follow. Definitely a big disconnect. People like him are christian in name only. He may dress as one but that’s where the similarity ends.

    It’s going to be very interesting to see how Patrick Harvie delivers the goods to Peter Kearney.

  14. A, J,Mainland 7 Aug 2012, 12:19pm

    What puzzles me and makes me chuckle, is their hero Jesus of Nazareth, said some words to his mother Mary at his Crucifiction, which under Jewish law means James was his lifelong partner.
    So any vile hatred spouted by this monster is nothing more than his own denial of what his own bible teaches him
    and a personal battle with his own fancy.
    He speaks for none of my Catholic friends, whom I value and pity due to having odeous leaders bullying them like this.

    1. Totally agree with you about Tartaglia being idious, but Jewish law recognised/recognises same-sex relationships? News to me, I’m sorry to say.

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 7 Aug 2012, 2:27pm

      As far as I know, only Liberal, Reformed or Reconstructionist Judaism recognise same-sex relationships. Conservative and Orthodox do not. At the time of the crucifixion, orthodox judaism ruled the day which explains away all of those ridiculously absurd references in the old testament, you know, “traditional marriage”, that often included the uniquely heterosexual inventions polygamy and incestuous relationships.

  15. The story of this spiteful bishop was first reported by PN on the 26th July. Given the hurtful nature of the comment, I believe he has behaved insultingly again by taking two whole weeks to apologise.

    1. Originally the RC church leadership demonstrated their spirit of humility and compassion by refusing to apologise unless a request for an apology was made in writing.

      Such is the grotesque nature of the behaviour of the church leadership.

      1. That’s absolutely shameful.

    2. Galileo was convicted of heresy in 1633 by the Roman Inquisition for saying that the earth revolves around the sun. The Pope did not apologise for the church’s error until 2000. Apologies take a long time in the Roman Catholic Church.

  16. Tartaglia remains hate-filled, monstrous, evil scum.

  17. Dave North 7 Aug 2012, 1:00pm

    OK then bish.

    As an atheist I promise NOT to comment on ecumenical religious matters if you as an avowed SINGLE VIRGIN promise not to comment on matters related to sexuality and relationships.

    Sounds fair to me.

    1. Sounds entirely reasonable!!! ;-)

  18. shame on you – sorry my ars* your only sorry it was reported and you qwere caught out

  19. Tartaglia says “…our beliefs and practices are routinely ridiculed…”

    Aside from the unpleasant, whining victimhood in this comment, which seems to be a tactic adopted by much of the ‘Religious Right’ whenever they are even mildly criticised, Tartaglia should realise that stupid comments such as his claims about Cairns are the reason why some clerics are seen to be ridiculous.

    This man will soon be the most senior cleric in the Roman Catholic Church in Scotland. That is deeply embarrassing to many of us who still hold great fondness for the Church.

    1. Fondness for the catholic cult?

      What on earth for?

      It hates you?

      No LGBT person or woman with any self respect or self worth should feel anything but revulsion for this poisonous, hateful cult.

    2. You have a fondness for a Church that covers up paedophilia and harbours paedophiles?
      This idiot is probably the least embarrassing thing you need to worry about with regards to the Catholic church.

  20. Paul. London/Essex 7 Aug 2012, 1:45pm

    Yet another example of how supposedly educated religious leaders use malicious gossip to try and make their position on homosexuality credible.

    His comments were the same as the rubbish that was churned out in the 80’s about AIDS being the will of God to smite homosexuals (don’t know how it was supposed to smite the lesbians though). Whereas time has shown that thanks to the Vatican’s intervention against safe sex in Africa, HIV and AIDS is now at it’s highest amongst African heterosexuals. He’s sorry because he got caught out by people of independent thought and common sense.

  21. Cardinal Capone 7 Aug 2012, 1:46pm

    He may as well say that Catholicism is linked to obesity.

  22. Anyone who makes baseless and spurious links between a tragic illness and death which could affect anyone and having gay sex ( including without the slightest regard to whether the sex is faithful/and or safe) in order to promote a political line is a manipulative cynic and liar, or an imbecile, or maybe both. In such cases ‘apologies’ are at best an irrelevant diversion.

    1. Not that this really counts as an apology

  23. He should have his jaws wired; it would kill two birds with one stone.

  24. Cardinal Capone 7 Aug 2012, 1:51pm

    Allow Catholic priests to marry! End the ban! Allow women priests!

    1. And sell the Vatican.

      That would raise enough money to end world poverty.

  25. colonelkira 7 Aug 2012, 2:04pm

    Of course he is only sorry because he got caught on the record and it was a ridiculously hateful, spiteful, misinformed and utterly rubbish comment.

    Much like the ridiculously hateful, spiteful, misinformed and utterly rubbish comments made by some of these posters.

    I fail to comprehend how so many members of our community engage in EXACTLY the same behaviour they are decrying against.

    1. Dave North 7 Aug 2012, 2:16pm

      We are on the defense. NOT the attack.

      1. colonelkira 7 Aug 2012, 5:36pm

        And that defense absolutely must include stooping to their level does it?

        1. Dave North 8 Aug 2012, 10:18am

          Try living with these attacks for 50 years.

          GOON.

    2. This Tartaglia person is an evil monster.

      So what’s your point?

      1. Patrick Lyster-Todd 7 Aug 2012, 2:35pm

        And what’s your point? Two wrongs still don’t make a right. We’ll get nowhere in fighting for full equality and respect from all if we resort to the same degree of disinformation and spite that the Catholic Church employs.

        1. I agree.

          Whilst there are strong grounds for criticism of the RC church – and they should be used – taking it that step forward loses the moral advantage in the argument. Our cause is better than that.

          1. colonelkira 7 Aug 2012, 5:38pm

            Absolutely true Stu. We can fight hate with anger and a just cause more effectively than by duplicating our opponents mistakes!

        2. It is not spiteful to declare that Mr Tartaglia is evil, dangerous, extremist scum.

          It is an accurate description of him.

          This is a man who claims that being gay kills you.

          he does not believe in equal civil rights and he is part of an extremist cult that protects child molesters.

          I am being very mild and reasonable when I criticise him.

          He is extremist scum – why shouild anyone pretend that he isn’t.

          1. colonelkira 7 Aug 2012, 5:41pm

            It absolutely is spiteful and hateful and it lowers you to their level. It shows that you too are evil, dangerous and extremist.

            He never claimed being gay kills you…….do not make crap up.

            What he said was vile and disgraceful, just as you are as well and VERY dangerous to your own community’s well being and safety.

    3. I think its entirely reasonable to be commenting on the spiteful, misinformed, false and potentially harmful comments that the Archbishop-elect made and his dubious apology.

      I think its entirely reasonable that when you are in a strategic leadership position to have your conduct held to account.

      Comparisons of improper prior behaviour by the RC leadership and this odious episode by the Archbishop-elect are worthy of comparison.

      1. colonelkira 7 Aug 2012, 5:47pm

        Absolutely!

        It does absolutely nothing but harm our cause by commenting on such vile behaviour in a manner that is identical in nature to our opponents. It damages us, not them.

        1. Something we agree on! ;-)

          1. colonelkira 7 Aug 2012, 8:47pm

            lets try to make it a pattern!….LOL

  26. “But you seem to hear so many stories about this kind of thing, but society won’t address it. You’re right, Lesley, thank you.”

    I bet he’s not thanking the equally odious Lesley Pilkington who led Tartaglia into this controversy, both she and he should seek therapy for their extreme homophobia.

  27. Merseymike 7 Aug 2012, 2:43pm

    The problem is that he did, and he doesn’t appear to understand that what he said was nonsense

  28. As a man with such huge responsibility within the R C church, this shortly-to-be-an-Archbishop should make sure that every pronouncement he makes is valid and backed by facts. There is no room for personal opinions in his position.
    Let’s hope he learns from the huge disservice he has done to the church he represents and goes some way to redressing his huge, huge gaff.

    1. His imminent promotion is precisely the reason for coming out with all this bilge – he is signalling his orthodoxy to the Vatican bosses, whose own casual view of facts and evidence is well enough known.

  29. Roman Catholicism – the religion of choice for facists, Franco, Hitler and Mussolini.

    1. I agree. Just don’t say the same about Moslems on here though, since you’ll get showered with ‘bad comment’ ticks and loads of self-hating comments. It’s fine to attack Christianity but not Islam. Got that? It’s the sort of crap unspoken code on here.

      1. Personally, I attack repressive monotheism in all its forms.

    2. colonelkira 7 Aug 2012, 5:55pm

      It was also the religion of choice for some of the most remarkable human beings that include Giovanni Battista Riccioli, Louis Pasteur, Salvador dahli and Leonardo da Vinci………making a statement so broadsweeping in it’s generalisation is inflammatory at best.

      1. The approach I try to take when criticising the RC church is to either concentrate on the leadership and their errors (as in this matter) or multiple examples. I try to remember that there are some very good people (including some LGBT people) in the RC church who disagree with the vile rhetoric that their leadership perpetuates. I sometimes struggle to understand how they stay inside the organisation that acts in such an appalling fashion, and I do question the choices they make in that regard – however, I do recognise that a simplistic approach of RC church is entirely bad wrongly maligns many individuals within the organisation. That is not to dilute my despair at some of the horrendous acts including these events or to condone any of the leaderships wrongdoing. My criticism will continue – but I hope it will be measured and carefully directed and not damage the campaigns to achieve equality etc etc.

        1. colonelkira 8 Aug 2012, 12:59am

          Hear hear!

          Nicely written!

  30. I gasp with horror and tremble with fear when I hear, as we all so often do, the absolute lack of kindness or understanding that these horrible people display. The history of this wicked institution is demonstration enough that they have no valid claim to the moral high ground. What happened to humility?

    1. Some of the leadership seem to repeatedly have an attitude of “practice what we preach, not as we do” when it comes to characteristics such as humility, compassion, thoughtfulness etc.

  31. Does he also regret the physical linking of priestly penises with juvenile anuses?

  32. “I would hope we can have reasoned and robust discussions while speaking in a respectful and civilised manner.”

    We lost that hope long time ago

  33. soapbubblequeen 7 Aug 2012, 8:18pm

    Get down on ya knees and beg us for forgiveness! It won’t be a position he’s unfamiliar with I’m sure.

  34. You wish you had never alluded to it? I wish you had never bothered with your detestable, self-serving “apology”. Alas, I haven’t a choice in the matter.

    “I would hope we can have reasoned and robust discussions while speaking in a respectful and civilised manner.”

    In other words, ‘it’s not my fault other people are upset that I would just happen to blame David Cairns dying of pancreatitis on the fact he is a filthy queer barely a few months after his death. I am terribly, sincerely sorry you overreacted. Now will his grieving family please calm down now? Learn to be civilised like me.’

  35. Wim in Holland 7 Aug 2012, 8:53pm

    To get higher up in the church they have to pass again and again examinations in homophobia. He passed once again so he can be archbishop.

  36. I believe his apology as much as I believe the other nonsense he spouts as part of his day job.

  37. It’s like saying “it was the alcohol speaking” when you awake next morning to realize that you must account for some awful things you said last night.

    He wouldn’t have said it if he didn’t believe it, and what he believes is all that matters.

  38. “I wish I had never alluded to Mr Cairns. I am very sorry for the offence it caused. I have made a sincere apology and hope that it is accepted”

    In other words im shocked that the general public does not share my bigoted views and sorry that I was called out for it but im not sotty for saying it or holding this belief”

  39. Garry Cassell 7 Aug 2012, 10:47pm

    A bit late dick-head to regret now when the damage is done..

  40. casparthegood 8 Aug 2012, 12:11am

    Resignation would be a good way to say sorry and show remorse. Sadly this not know no remorse only their own arrogance,so I’m not holding my breath on that happening.

  41. Dear Phlip Tartaglia and other Catholic leaders, we are very sorry for any offence and distress our homosexuality may have caused you.

    We have now made a sincere apology for the upset you feel over our sexual orientation and sexuality , we hope that this apology is accepted and a line can now finally be drawn under the matter once and for all.

    “When our sexual orientation and our sexuality is routinely ridiculed, the instinct is to keep the head down. That’s understandable. But, when you consider that marriage is the answer to humanity’s deepest longings and that marriage equality points the way for society to progress, we betray our essential calling as citizens of faith and of all world views if we fail to acknowledge that it is bad for a man to face a life alone without commitment in marriage to a loved one and that marriage equality can only help to improve the health of all married persons.

  42. The damage has been done, pharisee. As you are not Christian, go and pray to your statues because your congregations are getting smaller and smaller.

    You don’t regret anything you said because that would be against the Roman Catholic Churches teachings of hate.

  43. John MSINMD 8 Aug 2012, 12:58pm

    I wouldn’t expect him to support marriage-equality and that would be his position that he would make clear. As the Archbishop elect, or any person of prominence, but especially a supposed man of God, I would demand and he should demand of himself, that he only make honest truthful statements that are above reproach. If he didn’t specifically know all of the details of the MP’s death or these supposed ridiculous statistics, he should have kept his mouth shut.

    1. John MSINMD 8 Aug 2012, 1:13pm

      I neglected to add that the reason for watching what you say as a prominent person is because what you say matters. People listen to it. You can’t un-ring a bell. You can apologize and retract a statement, but who really hears that as much as they heard the initial statement. Now, I know that I’m stating the obvious and that these people are most likely completely aware of this fact. What frustrates me is that the very people doing these things and making these statements are the people asking for the public trust as politicians, church leaders, and business leaders alike. I’m glad that people are finally speaking up and out against this activity!

  44. He isn’t telling the truth at all. There are lots of outrageous remarks by the catholic church and then they appologize

    Knowing that the damage is done to the victim, and that the apology will not be seen by most

    In psychology its called the bad is more powerful then the good.
    Old trick.
    Someone should go digging and find out the possible dirt on him hiding molesters.

  45. He isn’t telling the truth at all. There are many outrageous remarks by the catholic church and then they apologize

    Knowing that the damage is done to the victim, and that the apology will not be seen by most

    In psychology its called the bad is more powerful then the good.
    Old trick.
    Someone should go digging and find out the possible dirt on him hiding molesters

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