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  1. For me, there are three issues here.

    Firstly, that master of deception and disingenuity from the RC church is Scotland (Mr Kearney) has tried to claim that the comments made by or for the RC church in Scotland are concerning gay sex, not gay relationships. If this is the case, then his ability as head of communications for the RC church in Scotland needs to be examined because the communications from the church for the past year or so appear to have been about condemning LGBT relationships. Indeed, Mr Kearney himself went on the record condemning CPs and stating that the state should not support or facilitate gay relationships. These comments seem to suggest the exact opposite of what Mr Kearney claims – and that is a direct condemation of gay relationships (whether commited, monogamous and full of fidelity and love or not). His obsfuscation is a clear attempt to lie.

    Secondly, there is no reputable evidence to link a claim of reduced life expectancy based on orientation. The

    1. studies that claim such a link are either discredited themselves by reputable organisations or peer review – or rely on discredited reports.

      Thirdly, why does the RC church have to wait one week to respond – if they are so certain of the “overwhelming body of medical evidence” to sustain their position, then it should be easy to reveal that immediately. The lack of ability or willingness to respond suggests more impropriety and manipulation of “facts” by the RC church.

    2. @Stu, etc

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      1. Or just keep trying to post the same comment under all of your multiple aliases in the hope that at least one will get through, as Stu appears to have done…..

  2. The response should certainly be interesting. I was expecting the RCs to just blank any requests for evidence.

    So anyone got the odds that they’ll just be peddling the same old manure again over some brand new evidence?

  3. The RC Church knows that its claims are baseless and cannot be backed up so it will be interesting to see what they substantiate these claims with.

  4. Mr Kearney heaps further discredit on himself and the RC Church by his obsfuscation in this matter. He has been shown to be the master of lies and deception in terms of the disingenuous commentary he has given to the RC campaign to deny equality and preach homophobia. However, to claim that the RC church have been concerned about gay sex and not gay relationships is (at best) fatuous. The odious and grotesque comments of the past year or so have been clearly targetting gay relationships and if Kearney really expects people to believe otherwise, then it shows his complete unsuitability for a role of head of communications of an organisation; as he clearly has no ability to communicate the message he claims he is trying to portray.

    There are no reliable or reputable studies which demonstrate any link between orientation and life expectancy. Those which have publically claimed to have either been clearly discredited by reliable sources or peer review or are quoting the studies which

  5. Mr Kearney heaps further discredit on himself and the RC Church by his obsfuscation in this matter. He has been shown to be the master of lies and deception in terms of the disingenuous commentary he has given to the RC campaign to deny equality and preach homophobia. However, to claim that the RC church have been concerned about gay sex and not gay relationships is (at best) fatuous. The odious and grotesque comments of the past year or so have been clearly targetting gay relationships and if Kearney really expects people to believe otherwise, then it shows his complete unsuitability for a role of head of communications of an organisation; as he clearly has no ability to communicate the message he claims he is trying to portray.

    There are no reliable or reputable studies which demonstrate any link between orientation and life expectancy. Those which have publically claimed to have either been clearly discredited by reliable sources or peer review or are quoting the studies which

  6. Mr Kearney heaps further discredit on himself and the RC Church by his obsfuscation in this matter. He has been shown to be the master of lies and deception in terms of the disingenuous commentary he has given to the RC campaign to deny equality and preach homophobia. However, to claim that the RC church have been concerned about gay sex and not gay relationships is (at best) fatuous. The odious and grotesque comments of the past year or so have been clearly targetting gay relationships and if Kearney really expects people to believe otherwise, then it shows his complete unsuitability for a role of head of communications of an organisation; as he clearly has no ability to communicate the message he claims he is trying to portray.

    There are no reliable or reputable studies which demonstrate any link between orientation and life expectancy. Those which have publically claimed to have either been clearly discredited by reliable sources or peer review or are quoting the studies which

    1. so, let’s see: Stu, Gary and Elaine are one and the same person?

      1. No. I know Gary – but Elaine I have no idea about

        1. so why are all three of you reposting the same thing, over and over like spam?

          1. I have no idea about Elaine

            I emailed Gary and asked him if he would post a comment for me after repeatedly trying to get my comment to post – apparently unsuccessfully.

            Apologies to all for the repeats.

      2. Just as we suspected all along (cue manical laugh!)

  7. Insane. This debate is about Equal Marriage. Promiscuity does pose health threats – but for anyone. Gay men never get cervical cancer, for example. Surely being in a relationship is more likely to improve physical and emotional health.

    1. Their arguments are based on their “belief” that homosexuality is a choice and any rights we are given will just encourage more people to turn Gay. So silly so indefensible. I always say that anyone who thinks it’s a choice is, by definition, bi-sexual.

      1. Robin Evans 1 Aug 2012, 1:35am

        That’s a true thing…

  8. Keith Farrell 30 Jul 2012, 2:17pm

    The big question is, what is going to happen once it is proved yet again that they are using something incorrectly to harm people rights, is this government going to take legal action against the church or could they be charged for this.
    I get sicken by the Catholic Churchs responses, I know that if any other person had made these comments in public, they would have been charged and had to go to court. seems the Catholic church thinks they are above the law. I don’t know the laws here, so I might be wrong, but reading the news others have been charged and found guilty for similar remarks and hate speaches

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 30 Jul 2012, 2:53pm

      It’s not just the roman cult, it’s also the anglican one too.

  9. They won’t be able to present any ‘overwhelming body of evidence’, so they’ll have to say that they were wrong and spoke about something they know nothing about and made up those comments to reinforce their prejudices.
    Yeah, that’ll happen.
    They’ll probably go to those bogus studies and claim that not everyone agrees they are bogus, or some such s**t like that.

  10. Mr Kearney heaps further discredit on himself and the RC Church by his obsfuscation in this matter. He has been shown to be the master of lies and deception in terms of the disingenuous commentary he has given to the RC campaign to deny equality and preach homophobia. However, to claim that the RC church have been concerned about gay sex and not gay relationships is (at best) fatuous. The odious and grotesque comments of the past year or so have been clearly targetting gay relationships and if Kearney really expects people to believe otherwise, then it shows his complete unsuitability for a role of head of communications of an organisation; as he clearly has no ability to communicate the message he claims he is trying to portray.

    There are no reliable or reputable studies which demonstrate any link between orientation and life expectancy. Those which have publically claimed to have either been clearly discredited by reliable sources or peer review or are quoting the studies that

  11. Mr Kearney heaps further discredit on himself and the RC Church by his obsfuscation in this matter. He has been shown to be the master of lies and deception in terms of the disingenuous commentary he has given to the RC campaign to deny equality and preach homophobia. However, to claim that the RC church have been concerned about gay sex and not gay relationships is (at best) fatuous. The odious and grotesque comments of the past year or so have been clearly targetting gay relationships and if Kearney really expects people to believe otherwise, then it shows his complete unsuitability for a role of head of communications of an organisation; as he clearly has no ability to communicate the message he claims he is trying to portray.

    There are no reliable or reputable studies which demonstrate any link between orientation and life expectancy. Those which have publically claimed to have either been clearly discredited by reliable sources or peer review or are quoting studies which

    1. Why are you saying exactly the same thing as Stu, Gary and Elaine?

      This thread is starting to feel like Groundhog Day

  12. an excellent – tolerant – and definite response to what I can only see as blatant homophobia and unjustified hypercritical hatred.

    The Time Has Come To Criminalize Organised Religion –

    It’s nothing more than superstition and a license to preach hatred.

  13. Mr Kearney heaps further discredit on himself and the RC Church by his obsfuscation in this matter. He has been shown to be the master of lies and deception in terms of the disingenuous commentary he has given to the RC campaign to deny equality and preach homophobia. However, to claim that the RC church have been concerned about gay sex and not gay relationships is (at best) fatuous. The odious and grotesque comments of the past year or so have been clearly targetting gay relationships and if Kearney really expects people to believe otherwise, then it shows his complete unsuitability for a role of head of communications of an organisation; as he clearly has no ability to communicate the message he claims he is trying to portray.

    No reliable or reputable studies which demonstrate any link between orientation and life expectancy. Those which have publically claimed to have either been clearly discredited by reliable sources or peer review or are quoting the studies which

  14. Mr Kearney heaps further discredit on himself and the RC Church by his obsfuscation in this matter. He has been shown to be the master of lies and deception in terms of the disingenuous commentary he has given to the RC campaign to deny equality and preach homophobia. However, to claim that the RC church have been concerned about gay sex and not gay relationships is (at best) fatuous. The odious and grotesque comments of the past year or so have been clearly targetting gay relationships and if Kearney really expects people to believe otherwise, then it shows his complete unsuitability for a role of head of communications of an organisation; as he clearly has no ability to communicate the message he claims he is trying to portray.

    No reliable or reputable studies demonstrate any link between orientation and life expectancy. Those which have publically claimed to have either been clearly discredited by reliable sources or peer review or are quoting the studies which

  15. Mr Kearney heaps further discredit on himself and the RC Church by his obsfuscation in this matter. He has been shown to be the master of lies and deception in terms of the disingenuous commentary he has given to the RC campaign to deny equality and preach homophobia. However, to claim that the RC church have been concerned about gay sex and not gay relationships is (at best) fatuous. The odious and grotesque comments of the past year or so have been clearly targetting gay relationships and if Kearney really expects people to believe otherwise, then it shows his complete unsuitability for a role of head of communications of an organisation; as he clearly has no ability to communicate the message he claims he is trying to portray.

    No reliable or reputable studies demonstrate any link between orientation and life expectancy. Those which have publically claimed to have either been clearly discredited by reliable sources or peer review or are quoting the studies which have been

  16. Robert in S. Kensington 30 Jul 2012, 2:52pm

    At last, an MP going after them armed with the factual evidence supported by legitimate scientific and medical institutions.

    I can just imagine the resources the RC church will provide and all traceable to American right wing hate groups.

    It makes me wonder, had David Cairns died in a plane crash, would the cult of hate portrayed it as a result of his orientation? If I were his partner, I’d do all I could to take legal action against the hatemongering cultist Tartaglia for defamation, slander and libel.

  17. Peter Kearney, the spokesman for the Catholic Church in Scotland made a very clear and direct statement that homosexuality is linked to early death. Clear and unambiguous. He must be a man of great intelligence and scientific knowledge? No, the response is, give us a week to think up a response (figure out what crap to spin)

    1. Yeah, and if that fails, the catholic church could always try Comres for a poll…

      …I’m sure they would be more than willing to help.

  18. Garry Cassell 30 Jul 2012, 3:26pm

    If this so-called evidence is true, why then are there so, so many old priest around…how in the hell these these old gezzers live to be so old? So there is NO evidence to suggest that gay people live shorter lives…because if that was the case most of the Catholic priest would die a young age..

    1. no, no, no… gays die young… pedophiles live to be old and wrinkly.
      (joking, of course.. about gays, I mean)

  19. GulliverUK 30 Jul 2012, 3:37pm

    There is definitely a link between too much religion and being a hateful nasty vile homophobic bigoted pig —- we have lots of proof for that :)

    1. Kearney heaps further discredit on himself and the RC Church by his obsfuscation in this matter. He has been shown to be the master of lies and deception in terms of the disingenuous commentary he has given to the RC campaign to deny equality and preach homophobia. However, to claim that the RC church have been concerned about gay sex and not gay relationships is (at best) fatuous. The odious and grotesque comments of the past year or so have been clearly targetting gay relationships and if Kearney really expects people to believe otherwise, then it shows his complete unsuitability for a role of head of communications of an organisation; as he clearly has no ability to communicate the message he claims he is trying to portray.

      No reliable or reputable studies demonstrate any link between orientation and life expectancy. Those which have publically claimed to have either been clearly discredited by reliable sources or peer review or are quoting the studies which have been

  20. “We tend to indulge ourselves in a willful fantasy…” lol, did the catholic church really say that???? :)

  21. We’re talking about religion here. Evidence is not their strong point.

  22. Craig Nelson 30 Jul 2012, 4:21pm

    This is just vile disgusting homophobic filth. Christianity lies utterly discredited. I am not happy about this however.

  23. bobbleobble 30 Jul 2012, 4:24pm

    Even if there was clear evidence that gay sex meant early death (and I know there isn’t) is that a reason to stop gay people from marrying? We don’t stop straight people from marrying if they smoke, drink, take drugs. Americans on death row can get married and their life expectancy ain’t so great either.

  24. Kearney heaps further discredit on himself and the RC Church by his obsfuscation in this matter. He has been shown to be the master of lies and deception in terms of the disingenuous commentary he has given to the RC campaign to deny equality and preach homophobia. However, to claim that the RC church have been concerned about gay sex and not gay relationships is (at best) fatuous.

  25. Kearney heaps further discredit on himself and the RC Church by his obsfuscation in this matter. He has been shown to be the master of lies and deception in terms of the disingenuous commentary he has given to the RC campaign to deny equality and preach homophobia. However, to claim that the RC church have been concerned about gay sex and not gay relationships is (at best) fatuous.

  26. The way forward on this is to assemble a clear and rational case showing that these bigots are operating in an intellectually dishonest manner. That case can then be presented to the vast majority of decent Roman Catholics – exposing how they are being misled by some of their priests. A large part of the RC laity is already on our side (to varying degrees) and many of the thinkers within the church are already deeply embarrassed by such ignorant homophobia as shown by Tartaglia and Kearney. The only effective opposition to these idiots will come from inside the Church.

    Sadly it is clear that while we have such a reactionary occupant of St Peter’s then people like this will go on being promoted in the Church: look at Cordilione who has just been made Archbishop in San Francisco – he was the architect of Prop 8.

  27. Hmmmm. I detect a whiff of desperation!

  28. I think an awful lot of roman catholics priests died of Aids in the 1980/1990s, particularly in America. Maybe he is basing his claims on this.

  29. Well, I am a healthy 71 yr old Gay man in a committed Civil Partnership of 34 yrs, so I suppose according to the church I should have died a long time ago !

  30. Remember that comment from the delightful Anne Atkins on Radio 4- that gay men had an average of “shockingly only 42 years” ! And also remember that the Jewish people have been smeared for centuries by anti Semitic organisations with similar nonsense accusations in Order to discredit them and whip up prejudice.

    1. It is difficult to contain the emotions when I think about the impression this man might make on vulnerable young person by his statements and the ‘early death’ libel, the equivalent of the ‘blood libel’. Paul Cameron is analagous to the author of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

      Anne Atkins was censured by the PCC (a rare event) for repeating this lie as fact.
      It is time to nail this lie in the UK. Peter Kearney is a promulgator of lies. The Catholic Church employs a man promulgating known lies. There is no such ‘overwhelming body of evidence’ regarding early death. An average reduction of life expectancy measured in months is not ‘early death’:
      http://grantdale.customer.netspace.net.au/Update_of_Hogg_00.html

      He will not be able to produce the requested evidence:
      relevant, recent, of high quality, and which has been subject to peer review.

      The history of the oppression of LBGT persons started with lies (St Paul) and has continued for 2000 years. It stops now.

  31. Craig Dunain 30 Jul 2012, 7:12pm

    We have no firm evidence of life expentancy og gay men being reduced due o their sexuality. There is however, firm evidence that points towards suicides of gay people where they suffer bigotry and hatred. There is also documented evidence that links the suicide of abuse victims of paedophile priests who commit suicide whilst ‘the church’ do their best to protect their own, conceal evidence and frustrate the authorities in their investigations to bring these abhorrent criminals to justice. Instead, the church sends them on retreat and releases them back to other parishes where they commit the same crimes again. So we may properly, and not unreasonably conclude that in fact being under the influence of the Catholic church affects the life expectancy of lgbt people, and not in fact their lifestyle. The day the church can honestly cleanse it’s hands, admit it’s complicity and compensate every victim of abuse, then I’ll consider they have something relevent to say.

    1. GulliverUK 30 Jul 2012, 7:18pm

      In a survey in the US 70% of Catholics said they believed messages from the pulpit contributed to LGBT suicides.

      The Catholic leadership have their hands drenched in blood.

  32. I’m a tad surprised that no-one seems to have pointed out that even if the RC church could come up with some real evidence that gay men die younger, then that would in fact make the case for marriage equality even stronger.

    After all, most of the things likely to account for an earlier death in young or middle aged men (smoking, alcohol consumption, recreational drugs, HIV or other STDs, stress, depression etc.) tend based on surveys to be more prevalent among single men than married men. (Certainly married straight men on average live longer).

    So by trying to deny gay people access to marriage the RC church is probably shortening our lives.

    I think that says as much as you need to know…

  33. Huh. It’s been about 5 hours since this story was posted, and it has taken me about that long to stop LMAO at the concept of the Catholic church telling the truth about anything at all.

    Their claims are bunk, we all know that. But as is often the case with bigots, the mileage is in the original statement an the assumption that its followers are too addled-witted to notice retractions or dissent. It’s an old and deeply dishonest tactic.

    So the cult of Rome is completely at home with it….

  34. David Skinner 30 Jul 2012, 7:27pm

    Gays have never had it so good. We here reports all the time from Stonewall and other gay organisations that the public are now completely accepting of homosexuality. So are we to believe that the continuing state of gays committing suicide can be put down to the Christians who let us face it are. according to everyone, a spent force in Britain. Is the gay psyche so fragile that it buckles under this pathetic and weak minority? Or is there something else, an internalised homophobia which no matter how society affirms homosexuality, drives the homosexual to despair?

    The real need of the homosexual cannot and never will be met by his predilection for the same flesh . His real needs can only be met in Jesus Christ. Period.

    1. David Skinner are you implying that Jesus was gay? I agree, I am sure that many a gay mans sexual needs were indeed met in Jesus Christ [literally]. Forgive me for the stereotype, but he did have a female best friend (beard?) and definitely preferred the company 12 men at bed time and men traveled from all over the middle east for a blind date with him – I believe his favored meal was fish, bread and a glass of claret. Some scholars suggest that Judas was a jilted lover of Jesus – a plausible interpretation of biblical text. Gay Jesus Christ lived a very healthy life – at least until he was murdered by religious bigots.

      Of course David Skinner, it is possible that you are simply an ignorant troll and having missed the ‘Do Not Feed The Troll’ signs, I have possibly now over-fed you with my above repartee, in which case you are now probably terribly bloated with indigestion and awful wind.

    2. Guglielmo Marinaro 30 Jul 2012, 10:01pm

      David Skinner, try as I may, I cannot see in what way the tosh that you have written here is relevant to the bishop’s and Peter Kearney’s ill-informed and ill-advised remarks.

  35. Another Hannah 30 Jul 2012, 8:27pm

    Ahhh, and what abou the evidence that Roman Catholacism causes gambling, alcholism and a general lack of resposibility with it forgiveness for all form oimmoriality by saying confession? Not much deterrent for murder is there if your priest is going to say if you say a few heil Mary’s that’s fine and all will be forgiven? Especially when it’s suggesting many decent people are bad because they do not keep to the RC church’s ridiculous code!

  36. Whilst there is no reliable evidence to support a link between orientation and life expectancy, there is evidence to show that Catholicism does have a link to a range of sociological concerns:

    Stu 2 days ago Report
    0

    In studies of criminality, Catholics are consistently found to be the worst offenders while Jews and especially the non-religious are the least delinquent. Franzblau’s 1934 study found honesty inversely related to religiousness. Ross (1950) found non-believers more likely to help the poor than people who profess religion. So, if you want an honest employee, your best bet is to choose the non-religious candidate. Catholic youths, taught religious morality in a reformatory, ended up more religious but no less criminal. Youths who believed in hell fire and the devil were no less likely to commit crimes, and church attendance had no effect in making people less criminal.

    In studies of criminality, Catholics are consistently found to be the worst offenders while

    1. Jews and especially the non-religious are the least delinquent. Franzblau’s 1934 study found honesty inversely related to religiousness. Ross (1950) found non-believers more likely to help the poor than people who profess religion.

      So, if you want an honest employee, your best bet is to choose the non-religious candidate. Catholic youths, taught religious morality in a reformatory, ended up more religious but no less criminal. Youths who believed in hell fire and the devil were no less likely to commit crimes, and church attendance had no effect in making people less criminal.

      I would argue that it is more damaging to be Catholic than to be gay. Lies and deceptions seems to become a habit.

  37. Peter Piper 30 Jul 2012, 8:41pm

    The catholic church is conducting a nore sinister campaign that few will Like the deceieful campaign it conducts about the uselessness of condoms in preventing aids. It is sowing the seed in peoples mings that gays are disease ridden and present a threat to society. As a near 80 year old in a civil partnership they should be laughed out of court befroe they do any more of their dangerous damage

  38. Of course ! Everyone already knows that ! And I’ll say more: homosexuality is also guilty for the global warming and the depletion of the ozone layer !

  39. Mr Kearney heaps further discredit on himself and the RC Church by his obsfuscation in this matter. He has been shown to be the master of lies and deception in terms of the disingenuous commentary he has given to the RC campaign to deny equality and preach homophobia. However, to claim that the RC church have been concerned about gay sex and not gay relationships is (at best) fatuous. The odious and grotesque comments of the past year or so have been clearly targetting gay relationships and if Kearney really expects people to believe otherwise, then it shows his complete unsuitability for a role of head of communications of an organisation; as he clearly has no ability to communicate the message he claims he is trying to portray.

    No reliable or reputable studies demonstrate any link between orientation and life expectancy. Those which have publically claimed to have either been clearly discredited by reliable sources or peer review or are quoting the studies which have been

  40. Kearney heaps further discredit on himself and the RC Church by his obsfuscation in this matter. He has been shown to be the master of lies and deception in terms of the disingenuous commentary he has given to the RC campaign to deny equality and preach homophobia. However, to claim that the RC church have been concerned about gay sex and not gay relationships is (at best) fatuous.

  41. GingerlyColors 30 Jul 2012, 9:30pm

    One way to reduce your life expectancy is to pig out at a fast food restaurant like Chick-fil-A!!!

  42. I think there’s likely to be a highly significant reduction in life expectancy in Roman Catholic countries, notably Africa, where the population complies with the RCC’s ban on condoms and HIV rates have rocketed as a consequence.

    Has anyone compared these stats?

  43. The RCC along with Islam are the two biggest diseases on the planet. There is no medical or any other evidence to suggest that gay men live shorter lives then heterosexual men. The only thing that would shorten anyone’s life is excess in things like drugs, alcohol, unsafe sex, smoking etc. This is common knowledge. Russian heterosexual men have an average life expectancy of 35 to 40 years because of their lifestyle of too much alcohol, smoking etc. Polish miners do not live beyond 70 years because of their lifestyle of hard and dangerous work and too much alcohol and smoking. This too is common knowledge.
    The Roman Catholic Church is scare mongering and using dirty, underhand psychological tactics to try to erode our lives. Do not take any notice of them. They will stoop to great depths and play on the fears of the LGBT Community. These are not nice people. We are at war with them remember they declared war on us. They will destroy themselves with their own petard.

  44. I thought I would add this from Romans: ‘Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
    18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.’ …….(this does not mean simple minded, it means simple understanding of the facts)

  45. Aren’t they vaccinating girls at school now against genital warts?

    One of the reasons for this I thought was to reduce cervical cancer later on and genital warts are usually due to having sex.

    C’mon straight people are prone to dying from sexual related things as well. So gay people’s private parts my be a bit more vulnerable than straight peoples. I’m failing to see the arguements around this topic.

  46. Good on your Patrick! Go Greens!

  47. Kay from NZ 31 Jul 2012, 1:47pm

    Sexual orientation and sexual activity do not produce bodily changes that may influence life expectancy. There may however be an association between gay (and straight) people who go out more to bars and clubs rather than stay home dying earlier than would otherwise be the case. Reasons? More exposure to cigarette smoke, more alcohol consumption, more use of recreational drugs, less sleep, in other words “lifestyle choices”. Sex doesn’t kill you earlier but cancer and heart attacks and alcohol related illnesses do.

  48. Staircase2 31 Jul 2012, 5:40pm

    The words ‘bloody’ and ‘idiots’ spring to mind…

    (not even to mention the very clear homophobc bollocks hidden in the ‘diseases & illness’ section..

  49. And even if it did – what does it matter to the catholic church? I should imagine becoming a christian in the early days meant a short life expectancy when thrown to the lions, but the church didn’t object to that. Bunch of bullies. If gay people have higher levels of suicide then part of is down to the hostility and hatred spewed out by churches.

  50. Piper Peter 6 Aug 2012, 4:19pm

    Where is the response to the statement by the MSP?
    Surely PinkNews should be pursuing this!

    1. Yes, I was looking forward to that too.

  51. Derek Williams 24 Aug 2012, 5:33pm

    It’s hard to see how a monogamous gay married couple’s life expectancy could be any shorter than that of a monogamous heterosexual couple.

    If Mr Kearney is really referring to promiscuity, then that is more an attribute of gender (male) than of orientation. A further weakness in his argument is the non-existence of HIV/AIDS among female homosexuals, alongside the fact that out of 33 million AIDS cases world wide, almost half (16 million) are heterosexual women and 2.5 million children. Hardly a gay disease, and in the fullness of time, the disease will penetrate the general populace.

    In the US, blacks account for 40% of HIV/AIDS infections despite being only 14% of the population, but I don’t see Mr Kearney saying people should not be black, so as to avoid contracting HIV/AIDS.

    In any case, same sex marriage if anything will reduce promiscuity, and thus its life endangering consequences that concern us all will be minimised.

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