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  1. Spanner1960 27 Jul 2012, 2:39pm

    An all-round nasty piece of work. Unfortunately, it seems the less interest people show towards you, the more spiteful and controversial one has to be to get noticed. The sad thing this 1-day wonder from eight years ago still thinks he has what it takes, and misses his 15 minutes of fame.

    “I would ask Mr Brookstein to avoid such vile comments until he is faced with someone living with HIV and understands their struggle.”
    I would say regarding this matter though that where I wouldn’t wish HIV on my worst enemies, (unlike some people), in the UK it is not the death-sentence or even long drawn out struggle of coping with mountains of dodgy medication. Correct me if I’m wrong here, but I have quite a few HIV+ mates who drop one tablet and day and simply get on with their lives; hardly what I would call a “struggle”.

    1. David Allison 27 Jul 2012, 3:09pm

      we all know someone who is affected by HIV, some struggle, others do not. That’s where that analogy comes from. I would ask you to respect that also. We also need to remember the amount of people in third-world countries struggle with HIV AIDS on a daily basis. We cannot restrict my comments to just those who ‘pop a pill’ and get on with life.

    2. Oh agreed.

      The reality is that in Britain HIV is a chronic, manageable illness in most cases (assuming it’s caught on time and people are vigilant about their treatment.).

      Type 1 diabetes is a far more intrusive and bothersome chronic illness (with a whole array of side effects). But no-one seems to have much sympathy for them – they are expected to shut up and get on with it.

      As for Steve Brookstein – he has always been a nasty piece of work.

    3. Agreed.

      Assuming it is caught on time and you are vigilant about treatment then a HIV diagnosis in Britain is no worse than a Type 1 diabetes diagnosis (actually it’s better in the sense that it does not involve 4 injections and 4 blood tests every day, and a rigid eye kept on everything you eat, for fear that you will die). It’s a chronic, lifelong condition that can be treated

      No-one seems to go on about the struggle of being a diabetic. They are expected to shut up and get on with it.

      That said Steve Brookstein is a nasty piece of work.

      As is Dan Wootton.

      1. David Allison 28 Jul 2012, 11:42am

        The reason Diabetes isn’t mentioned is because this article has absolutely nothing to do with it.

      2. no, HIV is far from a “chronic, lifelong condition that can be treated”.

        The nice and easy “drop one tablet a day” drug regimen only works for so long. Pretty soon, the virus mutates, and you’re on to new drugs… which don’t come in handy single pill combos.

        And then, the constant barrage of toxic drugs required to keep the virus at bay starts to damage your liver. And you need to add meds to deal with the liver damage (if you’re lucky enough to catch it in time). Chances are, you THEN become diabetic… so THAT’s no fun.

        And again, a few years later, time to change meds because of viral drug resistance, and the lipodystrophy starts to take its toll on your face, and you start to look like a walking skeleton. The HIV infection starts to take an emotional toll on you, as every time you look in the mirror you’re reminded of it.

        Every single time you get a sniffle, every time someone next to you coughs, you start to fear for your own health.

        1. “The nice and easy “drop one tablet a day” drug regimen only works for so long. Pretty soon, the virus mutates,”

          The virus only mutates when the drugs are not taken consistently every day which causes drug leves to drop & gives the virus the opportunity to start replicating again. All modern drugs work well if they are taken properly every day.

          Given that a liver function test is a key blood test taken at every at least every 6 months it is unlikely that liver damage would not be spotted very early on, so I do not beleive drug induced liver damage is widespread unless there is Hepatitis confection. Even then the scenario detailed above is likely to be extremely rare today. 15 years ago this could have been a possibility, but not today.

          1. not true.
            the virus develops resistance to the drugs regardless of consistency of treatment or not.

            I hate to dispute your claims, but this is NOT “extremely rare”.
            Despite regular liver function tests and all that, it occurs in FAR too many people.

            The only people who do not face these problems are people who only recently became infected. Trust me, down the line, they will face the EXACT same issues.

          2. I will mention this to my consultant next time I see him, because obviously he & all the other health professionals are incorrect when they talk about the importance of adherence. Once the viral load is undetectable viral activity in so low that the virus does not have the opportunity to mutate.

            I would refer you to aidsmap & I think you will find that they will agree with my understanding, but hey you may be right, perhaps in your particular case!

    4. Sister Mary Clarence 28 Jul 2012, 12:41am

      For some it still is

    5. I’m inclined to disagree with you a bit Spanner. I take 4 meds a day, easy enough, you’re right about that (although there can be side effects some of us get from the meds, but they don’t last long) The struggle, even in England, is the stigma and shame that goes with being HIV+, the fear of telling someone you like incase they don’t want a relationship with you. Yeah, it’s all alot easier than it was 15+years ago before antiretroviral medication came along, but comments like his are not going to help us solve those other issues

      1. totally agree with your spot on analysis tgi_paul. We have made great advances in treatment & care, but the social aspects you mention about living with HIV have a long way to go before they catch up with the advances we have seen in easy to take, once a day, tolerable treatment.

        Sadly I find that many gay men are the worst offenders in terms of perpetuating stigma & shame.

  2. “Mr Brookstein went on to stress that he had “no interest in a bunch of gay men bitching” because they see mentioning HIV as an attack on them. “It’s not your virus”

    Well done Mr Brookstein, it is in fact a virus that every single member of the human race can catch. Including you, so perhaps you ought to consider whether using a killer disease to try and make some sort of point is really the act of a human being and hope to whoever you never find yourself sat with a doctor being given the devastating news yourself.

    And before you issue some half a$$ed apology about context or that your twitter was hacked please be aware that I’m not interested in the bitching of a washed out cruise ship singer has been who won a karaoke contest a LONG time ago

  3. I barely remember Steve Brookstein other than the vague feeling he was, at best, mediocre. My felling is correct, he is and will always be a mediocre, forgettable nobody. Doing give this ‘person’ a moment of your time nor the oxygen of publicity. If you’re a nobody, you’re a nobody, just like my partner was when he died of HIV 20 years ago. Luckily, he had somebody (me) to care. If YOU care, just ignore this pathetic person and his vile opinion. Thank you.

  4. New single?

    I bet he is.

  5. Such low lifes will sit in a corner and question ‘why didn’t my career take off?’ Well, Mr. Brookstein, you’ve answered your own question. It’s because you’re an unlikable prick.

  6. Sharon Osbourne was right from the get-go about this vile creature.

    1. That There Other David 27 Jul 2012, 5:28pm

      Exactly what I thought after reading this too. Her public mauling of him was justified it turns out.

      What’s he going to do next, wish leukaemia on people too?

      Deserving of his current obscurity.

      1. Staircase2 31 Jul 2012, 5:53pm

        You, sir, are a complete dildo…

  7. “@dfa73 look at you. So offended you’re telling all your buddies to go have a look. Quiet news day?”

    I guess it must be if this is considered newsworthy to the editors of Pink News.

    1. Staircase2 27 Jul 2012, 4:26pm

      Well said…

    2. David Allison 27 Jul 2012, 4:32pm

      Oh come now. That’s rather harsh and unnecessary.

      1. Staircase2 31 Jul 2012, 6:16pm

        I honestly don’t see how – especially as the genuine harshness is actually Steve Brooksteins off the cuff comment

        I think it’s time everybody got off the bandwagon and stopped being so ridiculously gung-ho

  8. Staircase2 27 Jul 2012, 4:37pm

    As I’ve often maintained, the use of the word ‘vile’ always says far more about the person using it that the persons it’s used against.

    Firstly: I’ve been having a Twitter relationship with Steve Brockstein for ages now. And he’s never had a problem with my sexuality.

    Secondly, yes it was a bloody daft thing to say – even though Dan Wooton has been truly horrible in the past (and in all likelihood personally towards Steve Brockstein. All media bashing hashed
    the air of neg PR spin from the label towards him – ie read ‘Simon

    However, had I actually read that tweet I would have picked him up on it rather than launch a tirade of media flurries against him.

    It’s kinda odd that he would assume that Steve Brockstein doesn’t know anyone with HIV though don’t you think?

    I’ve heard equally (wait for it…) vile things said by other gays men towards each other on the subject of HIV.

    Which begs the question ‘why’…

    Why now and why him…?

    1. David Allison 27 Jul 2012, 4:40pm

      I question your loyalties with comments like that.

      1. Staircase2 31 Jul 2012, 5:43pm

        What you mean ‘loyalties’…?

        My only ‘loyalty’ is to fairness and truth…this isn’t some bloody club you know…

        READ WHAT I SAID (very few people clearly have….)

    2. That There Other David 27 Jul 2012, 5:36pm

      Have you ever been close to someone and watch them slowly die of an AIDS related illness? I suggest not, since then you might have an inkling as to why the response to this man’s stupid comment is so angry.

      1. Staircase2 29 Jul 2012, 9:29pm

        Actually you daft bugger, yes I have – several times…

        READ what is said eh…?

        1. What is said is an attempt to minimise the impact of the tweet.

          Sure other people say similar things – whoever says it is wrong.

          Why is it said now – because he is in the public eye.

          Its a debate – you disagree with others – I think your view is misguided and minimises offensive and odious behaviour. I struggle to understand how you can appear to defend something like that.

          You really back up your campaign to minimise the impact of these comments by mature comments by calling people “a dildo”!!!!

          1. Staircase2 2 Aug 2012, 1:48am

            You’re as bloody bad as the rest of them READ WHAT I SAID – you clearly haven’t…

          2. I have read what you said. If you meant something different to what you said – then perhaps providing clarity rather than abuse at those who disagree with what you said would be better.

    3. Twitter relationship? LOL at that. I’m sure that is the same thing as a real relationship. I’m sure you are very important to him. *rolls eyes*

      1. Staircase2 29 Jul 2012, 9:30pm

        Tosser

        READ what I said…

      2. Staircase2 29 Jul 2012, 9:34pm

        Humour not one of your strong points I see…

    4. Sister Mary Clarence 28 Jul 2012, 12:44am

      Oh, so that’s okay then if he’s one of your mates …. not really getting your logic… of perhaps I’m getting it, but utterly disagreeing with it.

      1. Staircase2 29 Jul 2012, 9:31pm

        No he isn’t ‘one of my mates’ he’s someone I know on Twitter…

        It would appear that all of you are big on outrage and very very tiny on ACTUALLY READING WHAT I SAID…

        1. probably because what you “actually said” is incredibly stupid?

          1. Staircase2 31 Jul 2012, 5:44pm

            Bollocks is it…
            …as you would actually KNOW had you actually READ WHAT I SAID…

          2. Staircase2

            Your aggressive and uncompromising responses to people who disagree with what you actually said actually makes people disagree with you even more.

    5. Frankly no better than him.

      What he said was clearly out of order. Why the hell are you defending him

      1. Staircase2 29 Jul 2012, 9:33pm

        This is really beginning to piss me off now

        READ WHAT I SAID…

        What the fcvk is it with you people? Anyone would think you were all thought-phobic or something…

        1. I have read what you said and find it deranged and odd – particularly your repetitive “Read what I said”.

          1. Staircase2 2 Aug 2012, 1:50am

            If thats all you’ve read then you clearly haven’t actually read what I ACTUALLY said..!

  9. Staircase2 27 Jul 2012, 4:44pm

    The idea that Steve Brockstein sit at home in his garden shed concocting up some twisted scheme in order to get some publicity to sell his next record doesn’t strike me as very likely.

    The idea that he said stupidly something off the cuff as a result of ongoing battles with Dan Wootton strikes me as far more likely to be honest…

    Should Steve Brockstein learn to handle his PR better? Absolutely. (this is something I’ve told him several times myself)

    Is he the devil incarnate? Lol
    …er no…

    I love Sharon Osborne but to believe that she’s somehow Cinderella to Brockstein’s Captain Hook is just plain daft…(Sharon is more than capable of twisting it up herself for business gain…)

    My advice, for what it’s worth is to listen to the single and either like it or not…

    ..the choose (as they say) is YOURS…

    1. That There Other David 27 Jul 2012, 5:31pm

      The fact he even considers such a comment acceptable says everything I need to know about his character. Whether it was pre-planned or not he needs to take a damn good look at himself.

      1. Staircase2 29 Jul 2012, 9:28pm

        I was commentating on the actuall suggestion that that’s exactly what he did do…

    2. Don’t think the article suggests that Brookstein is the devil incarnate; just that there are multiple ways of wishing the worst on a person you dislike. His curse of choice was expressive of a particularly nasty character.

      Probably wouldn’t have bought the new single anyway …. but it’s unlikely I will listen to it without thinking what an *sshole he is.

      1. Absolutely

        I think this particular outburst is particularly hurtful, and possibly intentionally so.

        It certainly is an issue that I will now associate with Brookstein and consider it a stain on his integrity.

  10. David Allison 27 Jul 2012, 4:47pm

    I’m glad my story has raised such debate.

    1. Staircase2 31 Jul 2012, 5:48pm

      Really?
      This idea that what’s going on on here is ‘debate’ beggars belief…
      All you’ve done is rallied the Pink Mews lynch mob, all fiery torches and indignant outrage. No bloody thought. No bloody analysis. No bloody concept quite frankly…

      1. Well your outbursts are hardly debate are they Staircase2?

        1. Staircase2 2 Aug 2012, 1:46am

          Actually bless you yes they are…

          I’m fcvking livid – and quite rightly so…

          1. No wonder people have a different view of what you have said if your outbursts are what you conceive as debate!

          2. David Allison 2 Aug 2012, 9:24pm

            Oh dear. If that’s the level of response, there really isn’t much hope.

            I really don’t think you need to be livid at all, unless of course anger management is something on your list of ‘to do’s’ And for the record, I didn’t rally anyone. They read my piece and asked if they could publish it. Simple as that; no rallying, no malice (other than that of Mr Brookstein and your goodself)

  11. Staircase2 27 Jul 2012, 4:51pm

    Lol that should read ‘Brookstein’ of course…

  12. Nelly MANchester 28 Jul 2012, 7:59am

    Z-list

    1. mad manchester 28 Jul 2012, 8:58am

      While I am not a particular fan of Dan Wootton I wouldnt wish HIV on anyone and believe me I know. Staircase2 you should be ashamed of your self publicly admitting to being a “friend to such a vile homophobic creature such as Steve Brockstein. Just because he hasnt directed a comment at you it does not mean he is homophobic it just means you are not famous enough for him to care about. As for any other gay man if you had any sense and worth your salt you would have nothing to do with this vile lowlife shame on you Steve I really hope you do not have to face the struggle of living with HIV.

      1. Staircase2 31 Jul 2012, 5:52pm

        How bout you and the rest of the Pink News Lynch Mob get off your high horses and actually READ WHAT I SAID eh?

        Bollocks is this anything to with MY sense of self worth…
        …actually it’s all about YOURS!
        If you lot had half a brain cell and half a heart you would bloody well READ what people say before jumping to pea brained conclusions…

        That you assume that anyone who disagrees with you can’t possibly have been affected by HIV/AIDS is Bloody stupid and merely demonstrates how far up your own backsides you all bloody well are…

        Sheesh!

    2. That There Other David 28 Jul 2012, 2:28pm

      Not even that high up. We need a longer alphabet in order to categorise where Brookstein sits.

  13. Shira Lansys 28 Jul 2012, 10:56am

    This issue has been blown way out of proportion. I’m not slow to hate on homophobes, but I do believe that this article is not worthy of PinkNews.

    I’m no fan of this Brookstein fellow – I’d never even heard of him until his name came up in a headline of my Pink News subscription email. Now, of course, I have heard of him, know he won x-factor, googled him, read his page on wikipedia, and watched a video of him singing. So I do have to give his “telling all your buddies” comment some merit – if you wanted to boost his publicity, you’ve succeeded marvellously.

    (Part One)

  14. Shira Lansys 28 Jul 2012, 11:09am

    Furthermore, I don’t believe that Brookstein meant any form of hatred towards the LGBT communiry – or, in fact, the HIV community. His comment strikes me as one remarkably similar to those expressions that are used everywhere – the ones like “Oh, I wish -insert hated persons name- would be hit by a bus.” I’ve thought it; I’ve even said it. I’m not proud of it, but nor am I ashamed about it. It’s an expression – I didn’t hire a bus and attempt to run them down, just like Brookstein hasn’t hired someone infected with HIV to try and infect this journalist. It’s a modern expression, and a common one at that. It’s insensitive, but it’s hardly newsworthy. Like I’ve said earlier, it’s only made me look further into this person.

    (Part 2)

  15. Shira Lansys 28 Jul 2012, 11:22am

    My third opinion (another one too long to share a comment box) is that, as far as publicity stunts go, this would be a particularly lame one. I’m amazed it’s made it onto PinkNews – let alone reach any further than the LGBT and aids communities. He hasn’t exactly set himself up for a far reaching controversy – although if he has, he has my congradulations on how far his comment has gotten him, and my contempt for sinking so low.

    I agree it was a stupid comment, and it definitely hasn’t given him my support. What has made me support him is the context it was taken out of – an annoyed comment about someone who’d written horrible things about him and/or other famous people.

    Go find someone to complain about who really means harm. Don’t write a hateful article about an offhand tweet from an X-Factor hasbeen. And better yet, don’t try and pass it off as news.

  16. MJMcAuliffe 28 Jul 2012, 12:02pm

    Regardless of whether Brookstein does or doesn’t know someone who is HIV+, regardless of the severity of an individual’s HIV status and treatment, regardless of supposed Twitter relationships people have with him and regardless of the fact that both Brookstein and Wootton are both perhaps questionable in character, the fact of the matter is that Brookstein’s off hand remark proves that there is still a horrible ignorance towards HIV and that his is perhaps incredibly stupid or just uneducated. In either respect, plugging his single on the back of this is nothing short of disgusting and I applaud David for not only bringing this to our attention but also for giving Brookstein the dressing down he thoroughly and quite rightly deserves.

    1. Staircase2 31 Jul 2012, 5:56pm

      …there is no ‘single’

      This never was the twisted plot that David wanted it to be…
      If anything the infamy here is being shared between the two of them equally…

      1. David Allison 2 Aug 2012, 9:26pm

        Oh Staircase, come off that top step. You really do have a misguided view of the world. There is no plot, I wrote this on the back of my interactions with him. Whether you consider this news or not, it is my opinion and my call how I react. Twisted plot indeed, this isn’t Dynasty dear fellow.

  17. David Allison 28 Jul 2012, 2:25pm

    Thanks for the comments everyone. Those of you who appreciated it many thanks to you. To those who question why Pink News wrote about it. They didn’t… I did. I did it as a blog post on a completely separate site when Mr Brookstein decided to fire back at me for questioning his morals and his misguided offensive remarks. I submitted it to Pink News to draw attention to his hatred. The reason for highlighting this story, whilst not ‘news’ to some of you was certainly news to me. I cannot and will not stand by and let anyone be so disrespectful by questioning why someone doesn’t have HIV or words to that effect. As I am a fundraiser for HIV AIDS charities I feel his comments are degrading and downright insulting. I respect that each of you has an opinion as to whether or not this is news, whether or not you want to read it, but this article was a personal choice, it was and is my opinion and I believe it highlights the issues that some people still have.

  18. David Allison 28 Jul 2012, 2:26pm

    Yes we can ‘ignore’ it, yes we can just ‘laugh it off’ but I cannot sit back and read such poison when he insults people he does not like with a cause that I am heavily involved in. I wonder had his comments included the word cancer or some other horrific disease that affects many people the world over if some responses would have been different. May I also point out that this man has made racist comments and comments about domestic violence And this coming from a man in the public eye. Make of that what you will. With the greatest respect to you all. David

  19. Steve has proven on more than one occasion that he is an idiot, why give him the column inches?

  20. Staircase2 29 Jul 2012, 9:27pm

    It beggars belief that even my posting correcting my spelling typo of Steve Brookstein’s name should have garnered 2 negative points from the Pink News Commentators…

    What is it with you people for fcvks sake…?

    I doubt if any of you even bloody well read what I wrote…

    It’s insane…

    1. I agree. what you wrote is insane.

      1. Staircase2 31 Jul 2012, 5:59pm

        You, sir, are a dildo…
        (swimming as you do in a pool of dildos…)

      2. Staircase2 31 Jul 2012, 6:25pm

        READ WHAT I WROTE…(as opposed to what you THINK I wrote from inside that tiny goldfishbowl of a brain of yours…)

        Top Tip: don’t believe everything you read in the papers without first actually READING what the ‘enemy’ themselves has to say on the subject…

  21. Staircase2 29 Jul 2012, 9:28pm

    Turns out there’s not even a single…

  22. Steve has also recently attempted to be casually racist – why does that not surprise me? Definitely a nasty piece of work.

    https://twitter.com/stevebrookstein/status/229395559792914432

  23. Staircase2 31 Jul 2012, 6:13pm

    I find it truly outrageous that commentators can use the voting sysytem on here merely to show which club they think they belong to; to take sides rather than to add to proper debate.

    It’s ridiculous that people would be so fired up by the idea that I’m public enemy no 1 that they would down-vote everything I say (even to correct a spelling typo…)

    It’s bloody stupid.

    I’m getting more that a bit pissed off by people passing derogatory comment to me about what they THINK I said because they’re too bastard lazy to actually READ what I ACTUALLY said…

    You should be bloody ashamed of yourself the lot of ya…

    1. David Allison 2 Aug 2012, 9:28pm

      And so should you with that response. The purpose of the piece was for healthy discussion and all you have done is turn it unhealthy and quite frankly bitchy. My suggestion for you would be to stop reading the comments.

  24. Staircase2 31 Jul 2012, 6:22pm

    In fact the pertinent bit where I say that what Steve Brookstein said was unnecessary has been rendered invisible by the very same mob mentality bollocks I’ve been talking about.

    Because you bloody idiots voted it down without question you now cant bloody SEE what it is I wrote which is what you’re supposedly having a go at me about in the first place for fcvks sake!

    PLEASE Pink News can we PLEASE sort out the bloody mess that is the moderation system – it doesn’t bloody work!

  25. Staircase2 31 Jul 2012, 6:25pm

    Top Tip: don’t believe everything you read in the papers without first actually READING what the ‘enemy’ themselves has to say on the subject…

    It’s called ‘balance’ something that you lot clearly know precious little a out…!

    1. David Allison 2 Aug 2012, 9:31pm

      And if you read the article properly you will see that it is based around what I observed (with my own two eyes) and what I experienced with my interactions with this horrible man. There for the subject matter is balanced as it’s based on fact and experience. Staircase2 you really need to let go of this anger you’re hanging onto, it’s really not healthy.

      1. David Allison 2 Aug 2012, 9:31pm

        *therefore

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