OK. Can someone explain to me how this is not terrorism being exported from the US? These people are targeting and inciting violent and oppressive acts against a minority group.
They know that the tipping point has been reached in the US so are indulging their sadism (and getting giddy with excitement) at the actual spilling of the blood of LGBT people in African nations.
Oh well, another day, another reason to despise christians
And blah blah you’re not all like that…true…but you don’t get off your backsides and stop these people either. Where is the counter? If these lunatic evangelicals really are the fringe, where are the rest of you? Act up and stop engaging in whiny but otherwise utterly useless apathy.
Actually, this very point will be considered by an American court in a lawsuit that is pending against Scott Lively claiming that he has committed a crime against humanity by participating in a conspiracy to persecute LGBTs in Uganda.
Its my understanding that if the Lively case is successful then methods will be explored in both US and International judicial arenas to pursue this as crimes against humanity and/or terrorism
Valsky, there is a small dedicated group of Christians in United Church of Christ, United Church of Canada and Disciples of Christ congregations who are attempting to show love. The church I attend takes part in pride parades, assists in fund-raising for the GLBT community and attends vigils and protests against violence targeting members of the GLBT community. I am not sure there is much we can do to stop groups from exporting hate, other than to try to change the atmosphere here in North America enough that they will have problems finding people who will fund their campaigns of terror and error.
It is always the quiet majority that should take responsibility for extremism being tolerated. “It got nothing to do with me.” Yeah right. You are next!
It’s terrible enough that the US, a developed country, still has so much homophobia alive and well…but to enforce that on a developing country whose ideas, beliefs and values have a bit further to go is very worrying.
Africa is a vast continent with very poor communications, tribal wars, little or no education, rife poverty and traditional systems that hinder growth. Black Africans have a different mind set from that of the west and it is unfair to force them to rush into accepting western culture. Change takes time. Thus ignorance is everywhere and this is used by unscrupulous people from various religious organisations and institutions to change and manipulate the simple lifestyle and thinking of the average black African. Education is a slow process and when there is not enough food to sustain good mental activity the learning process is even slower. The Roman Catholic Church group called the Holy Ghost Fathers were thrown out of Africa because they used their knowledge of manipulation and domination etc to create riots, dissension etc. Now it is the turn of American ‘Evangelists’ and militant Islamists to ‘educate’ and indoctrinate the black peoples of Africa.
There is nothing to stop them.
Unfortunately if you load a gun, leave it on a table and someone else picks it it, you can always say it wasn’t me who pulled the trigger, don’t blame me. That, unfortunately, is how all of these hate mongers work. And you don’t have to go all the way to Africa to fond them.
Not news because we already knew but good to have this confirmed.
The US government should speak out against this practice as the US does not have the right to force their homophobic religious attitudes on anyone from their own country let alone another knowing that country they encourage with such vile acts is vunerable.
This is wicked and totally shameful and all it does is highlight religion as the one true evil of this world!
That they would chose war over love….disgusting! This is American sponsored terrorism and no different from any other and all in the name of religion.
I wouldn’t mind betting that there has been American infiltration among the evangelical ‘christian’ movement in the UK too and probably funding them. C4M/CI come to mind. Many of them are hate groups. It’s odd that our Home Office bans undesirables like that awful American commentator Michael Savage for espousing hatred and death to gay people, yet it would allow hate groups to sponsor and support their British counterparts?
A lot of the hate legislation in Uganda is the work of that C Street cabal in Washington, DC and that evil hatemonger, Scott Lively and his ministries.
Of course they are and the way they do this is with the funding being meted out by American multinationals. It will be nigh impossible to eradicate this as big business in America is using these groups as a subterfuge and easy way of garnering influence with the wholly uneducated political class on the continent. This is how they invaded the rest of the world and if it worked elsewhere it will work in Africa.
No, most people don’t know, and anecdotes don’t matter anyway. Authoritative information has to compiled and disseminated. Political Research Associates is the main group that has been doing all the original research for Uganda, and on the Family.
“I’m grateful for the documentation in the report that confirms that it is homophobia (not homosexuality) that is exported from the west…” Again I don’t think a report or documentation was necessary to confirm this. I think that if hoards of homosexuals were emigrating to Africa, we would have heard by now. Homosexuality cannot be exported without exporting actual people, otherwise the inference would be that people can be influenced to be Gay. Wherever there are human beings indeed animals of any kind you will have homosexuality and it is not something that can be eradicated or “cured” In the past and indeed in the remoter parts of Africa today where these vile evangelists haven’t penetrated homosexuality was and still is an accepted part of life. It has been found in remote tribes of the Amazon who have only recently been contacted by the modern world and even in the Emperor Penguin populations of the Antarctic. It was hardly exported to them ….
I am proud to be a Christian and gay and have no problem with this, nor has my church where i worship. (C of E)
Unfortunately, however, Evangelical groups worldwide are against homosexuality and are dreadfully homophobic wherever they are, be it Europe, Australasia, the Americas and so on, so why should the African continent be any different?
Their anti-gay messages are very subtle and rely on the guilt of gay people to keep them close and closeted. That’s why Evangelical Christianity is experiencing phenominal growth worldwide.
Beware!
I think its terrible how the right wing religous groups are taking advantage of the African people they help.( I thought giving aid was supposed to be about giving from the goodness of your heart, not to brainwash people and teach them inequality in return.!)
What makes you think they are giving the Africans any help, financial or otherwise? Religion is a profitable business and I’m sure they make more from their congregations than they spend.
The churches may be involved in distributing the aid that secular governments and charities raise in the event of emergancies but they almost certainly skim some off to pay for ‘overheads.’
Well like food packages and stuff like that i meant. And how the religious organizations are taking advantage of this to spread there views. And they think to themselves ” oh more congregaions for us. “
Just exploiting ignorance and relative poverty, as they have always done. Much harder now to pull the wool over the eyes of educated populations in the west.
An insightful report on the alleged ‘Christian’ groups who have become so obsessed with homosexuality that they spend much of their time and effort focused on it and cannot let go. This is called ‘addictive homophobia’, and is a form of pathologic lying, a listed mental disorder. The statements they make are false and distorted regarding the truth about human same-sex orientation. Their positions are Bible-based opinions, not science-based reality. They are also delusional in that they believe God is guiding their hate-filled mission to rid the earth of the gay scourge. Equally pathetic is their abuse of innocent, under-educated clergy and politicians and lay people to take up the cause and spread the disease further from pulpits and from legislative chambers. It is the same venomous propaganda used in the 1990′s to whip up ethnic hatred between Hutus and Tutsis. Totally based on hysteria, emotion and irrational fear. Kill the enemy, kill the ‘other’ tribe, kill the gays. The African s
Its time America banned this sort of hate-filled homophobia and held its citizenry accountable for the damage it does internationally just as they do now for American pedophiles over-seas…. Enough is enough!
It’s good to have further confirmation of what many of us have known for some years now, highlighted by the Kill the Gays Bill in Uganda.
But their push also includes Asia and they have been very active in places like Singapore ( which has hosted very large “Transformations” conventions), Hong Kong, and other countries in the region. I don’t know about Eastern Europe, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised.
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America is nothing but a country of hate, and now he have proof.
OK. Can someone explain to me how this is not terrorism being exported from the US? These people are targeting and inciting violent and oppressive acts against a minority group.
They know that the tipping point has been reached in the US so are indulging their sadism (and getting giddy with excitement) at the actual spilling of the blood of LGBT people in African nations.
Oh well, another day, another reason to despise christians
And blah blah you’re not all like that…true…but you don’t get off your backsides and stop these people either. Where is the counter? If these lunatic evangelicals really are the fringe, where are the rest of you? Act up and stop engaging in whiny but otherwise utterly useless apathy.
Good points – I would like to see debates on what exactly are crimes against humanity.
These US hate groups need to be held accountable.
Actually, this very point will be considered by an American court in a lawsuit that is pending against Scott Lively claiming that he has committed a crime against humanity by participating in a conspiracy to persecute LGBTs in Uganda.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/15/us/ugandan-gay-rights-group-sues-scott-lively-an-american-evangelist.html?_r=1
http://www.splcenter.org/sites/default/files/downloads/resource/Livelylawsuit.pdf
Its my understanding that if the Lively case is successful then methods will be explored in both US and International judicial arenas to pursue this as crimes against humanity and/or terrorism
Valsky, there is a small dedicated group of Christians in United Church of Christ, United Church of Canada and Disciples of Christ congregations who are attempting to show love. The church I attend takes part in pride parades, assists in fund-raising for the GLBT community and attends vigils and protests against violence targeting members of the GLBT community. I am not sure there is much we can do to stop groups from exporting hate, other than to try to change the atmosphere here in North America enough that they will have problems finding people who will fund their campaigns of terror and error.
Two fringes. And everyone else? The vast majority? Where is the universal condemnation of what they are doing? I don’t see it and never have.
shock horror surprise – not
It is always the quiet majority that should take responsibility for extremism being tolerated. “It got nothing to do with me.” Yeah right. You are next!
It really seems like that America is the devil and the anti-christ revealed in the bible.
This is hardly news for most of us, but it’s good an independent US organisation is stating it at last.
This is awful.
It’s terrible enough that the US, a developed country, still has so much homophobia alive and well…but to enforce that on a developing country whose ideas, beliefs and values have a bit further to go is very worrying.
Africa is a vast continent with very poor communications, tribal wars, little or no education, rife poverty and traditional systems that hinder growth. Black Africans have a different mind set from that of the west and it is unfair to force them to rush into accepting western culture. Change takes time. Thus ignorance is everywhere and this is used by unscrupulous people from various religious organisations and institutions to change and manipulate the simple lifestyle and thinking of the average black African. Education is a slow process and when there is not enough food to sustain good mental activity the learning process is even slower. The Roman Catholic Church group called the Holy Ghost Fathers were thrown out of Africa because they used their knowledge of manipulation and domination etc to create riots, dissension etc. Now it is the turn of American ‘Evangelists’ and militant Islamists to ‘educate’ and indoctrinate the black peoples of Africa.
There is nothing to stop them.
tell us something we dont know
Unfortunately if you load a gun, leave it on a table and someone else picks it it, you can always say it wasn’t me who pulled the trigger, don’t blame me. That, unfortunately, is how all of these hate mongers work. And you don’t have to go all the way to Africa to fond them.
Well at least someone has recognised and reported this. Let’s hope some action is taken to prevent these ignorant bigots carrying on.
Not news because we already knew but good to have this confirmed.
The US government should speak out against this practice as the US does not have the right to force their homophobic religious attitudes on anyone from their own country let alone another knowing that country they encourage with such vile acts is vunerable.
This is wicked and totally shameful and all it does is highlight religion as the one true evil of this world!
That they would chose war over love….disgusting! This is American sponsored terrorism and no different from any other and all in the name of religion.
I wouldn’t mind betting that there has been American infiltration among the evangelical ‘christian’ movement in the UK too and probably funding them. C4M/CI come to mind. Many of them are hate groups. It’s odd that our Home Office bans undesirables like that awful American commentator Michael Savage for espousing hatred and death to gay people, yet it would allow hate groups to sponsor and support their British counterparts?
A lot of the hate legislation in Uganda is the work of that C Street cabal in Washington, DC and that evil hatemonger, Scott Lively and his ministries.
http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/409192893/m/8470092932001
Certainly a lot of the American evangelical organisations either have connections, affiliations or support from/to UK evangelical associations.
Are they stamping ‘Made in USA’ in their hatred I wonder?
Of course they are and the way they do this is with the funding being meted out by American multinationals. It will be nigh impossible to eradicate this as big business in America is using these groups as a subterfuge and easy way of garnering influence with the wholly uneducated political class on the continent. This is how they invaded the rest of the world and if it worked elsewhere it will work in Africa.
They needed a report to know this, ffs??? The dogs in the streets have known this for years.
No, most people don’t know, and anecdotes don’t matter anyway. Authoritative information has to compiled and disseminated. Political Research Associates is the main group that has been doing all the original research for Uganda, and on the Family.
“I’m grateful for the documentation in the report that confirms that it is homophobia (not homosexuality) that is exported from the west…” Again I don’t think a report or documentation was necessary to confirm this. I think that if hoards of homosexuals were emigrating to Africa, we would have heard by now. Homosexuality cannot be exported without exporting actual people, otherwise the inference would be that people can be influenced to be Gay. Wherever there are human beings indeed animals of any kind you will have homosexuality and it is not something that can be eradicated or “cured” In the past and indeed in the remoter parts of Africa today where these vile evangelists haven’t penetrated homosexuality was and still is an accepted part of life. It has been found in remote tribes of the Amazon who have only recently been contacted by the modern world and even in the Emperor Penguin populations of the Antarctic. It was hardly exported to them ….
These people need to export love, not hate. Hatred is not a godly characteristic, nor is it a spiritual gift.
Well said!
…the evil ungodly bastards…
I am proud to be a Christian and gay and have no problem with this, nor has my church where i worship. (C of E)
Unfortunately, however, Evangelical groups worldwide are against homosexuality and are dreadfully homophobic wherever they are, be it Europe, Australasia, the Americas and so on, so why should the African continent be any different?
Their anti-gay messages are very subtle and rely on the guilt of gay people to keep them close and closeted. That’s why Evangelical Christianity is experiencing phenominal growth worldwide.
Beware!
I think its terrible how the right wing religous groups are taking advantage of the African people they help.( I thought giving aid was supposed to be about giving from the goodness of your heart, not to brainwash people and teach them inequality in return.!)
What makes you think they are giving the Africans any help, financial or otherwise? Religion is a profitable business and I’m sure they make more from their congregations than they spend.
The churches may be involved in distributing the aid that secular governments and charities raise in the event of emergancies but they almost certainly skim some off to pay for ‘overheads.’
Well like food packages and stuff like that i meant. And how the religious organizations are taking advantage of this to spread there views. And they think to themselves ” oh more congregaions for us. “
Just exploiting ignorance and relative poverty, as they have always done. Much harder now to pull the wool over the eyes of educated populations in the west.
An insightful report on the alleged ‘Christian’ groups who have become so obsessed with homosexuality that they spend much of their time and effort focused on it and cannot let go. This is called ‘addictive homophobia’, and is a form of pathologic lying, a listed mental disorder. The statements they make are false and distorted regarding the truth about human same-sex orientation. Their positions are Bible-based opinions, not science-based reality. They are also delusional in that they believe God is guiding their hate-filled mission to rid the earth of the gay scourge. Equally pathetic is their abuse of innocent, under-educated clergy and politicians and lay people to take up the cause and spread the disease further from pulpits and from legislative chambers. It is the same venomous propaganda used in the 1990′s to whip up ethnic hatred between Hutus and Tutsis. Totally based on hysteria, emotion and irrational fear. Kill the enemy, kill the ‘other’ tribe, kill the gays. The African s
Its time America banned this sort of hate-filled homophobia and held its citizenry accountable for the damage it does internationally just as they do now for American pedophiles over-seas…. Enough is enough!
It’s good to have further confirmation of what many of us have known for some years now, highlighted by the Kill the Gays Bill in Uganda.
But their push also includes Asia and they have been very active in places like Singapore ( which has hosted very large “Transformations” conventions), Hong Kong, and other countries in the region. I don’t know about Eastern Europe, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised.