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  1. An excellent day here in Scotland. Now is the time for the UK and Scottish Governments to work together and ensure that equal marriage is possible within Scotland as soon as possible whilst ensuring the appropriate protections for others.

    And hopefully this will serve as encouragement for the UK Government to proceed with equality for Emgland/Wales as soon as possible also

    1. They also need to make sure the legislation is done closely together, so there aren’t any absurd situations like me getting married in England and moving to Scotland to find out … I’m not married any more !! (or visa versa). So both parliaments should pass the legislation in the same half of the same year, at least. And I don’t see why it can’t be done in 2013 tbh, the sooner the better, because until it’s signed and sealed the Cardinal and his band of thugs will keep up the threats and homophobic rhetoric, and younger gay people don’t need to be exposed to that year in year out. And we can do without the daily articles in the Independent, Guardian and Telegraph too.

      1. Equality Network 25 Jul 2012, 12:58pm

        Scotland is likely to go ahead with the legislation in 2013. First there will be a consultation on the draft bill – towards the end of this year, to get the details right. Then the bill will be introduced in the Scottish Parliament – should be early next year. It could then pass during 2013. Hopefully the UK Govt will be not far behind!

        1. Where has the 2015 date come from?

        2. Sounds wonderful!

          I was wondering what exactly “The government will bring forward legislation” meant ..

    2. Omar Kuddus 25 Jul 2012, 2:01pm

      I feel that if England and Wales do not introduce simultaneously similar bill it can cause problems in the UK.
      For if one is married in Scotland, does that mean that British citizens find that they are not legally married in England or Wales?
      For being British, one can amend ones status in ones passport which would then be invalid over the border.
      This also means if not, that is they are legally married everyone from England and wales would simply go to Scotland to get married.
      I personally feel that the bill now must be introduced all over the UK, to end any confusion.

      1. Equality Network 25 Jul 2012, 2:12pm

        We have devolution in Scotland, so it’s a decision for the Scottish Government, and the Scottish Parliament will pass the legislation. We hope the UK Govt will introduce legislation at Westminster and it will get passed on a similar timeline. But there’s no reason for us to delay in Scotland waiting for England and Wales! If Scotland does it first, it will be up to the UK Govt how a Scottish same-sex marriage is recignised south of the border.

        1. “it will be up to the UK Govt how a Scottish same-sex marriage is recignised south of the border.”

          Mayhap not: Is there not something in “The Act of Union” (1707) that says that legal marriages in Scotland are recognised throughout the UK?

          Something to liik into.

          1. Good point, Jock! A straight Scottish marriage is automatically recognised throughout the rest of the UK, so a same sex marriage should be no different!

  2. Kay from NZ 25 Jul 2012, 11:49am

    Do you think you could look for a new photo some time? AJ and Thomas – the couple photographed at their civil union in New Zealand – separated some years ago. Yes, they look great but the photo has been used too many times and isn’t even of a Scottish couple.

    1. I’m sure there will be plenty of new photos of kilt-wearing gay married couples to come, thanks to this little bit of legislation!

      1. Yes and how about a lesbian couple from time to time?

        1. Spanner1960 25 Jul 2012, 8:48pm

          Why? Do they wear kilts too? ;)

  3. Congratulations and best wishes to LGBT brothers and sisters in Scotland.

    The tipping point has been reached. We may be a minority, but we have family, friends, colleagues and allies who believe in equality for no reason other than believing in justice for all.

    Politicians need to stop pandering, stop wasting time, stop engaging in brinksmanship and just get on with it.

  4. Whilst excellent news, let’s wait and see what the caveats are, if any.

  5. I an so proud today to be a Scot and a member of the SNP. Just thirty-two years ago, homosexuality was a crime in Scotland, and now already we have come this far. Wonderful wonderful news. Gretna Green needs to brace itself for a boom!

  6. World-leading, awesome. So proud to be Scottish today ^_^

  7. This is such good news….well done to the Scpttish Goverment….

  8. UGH.

    No. No we should not amend the equality act to allow religious groups to refuse to conduct same-sex marriages. We will only be truly equal once they are FORCED to, against their precious bigoted doctrines if necessary.

    Homophobia has no place in any part of our society. It must be stamped out, not given safe spaces to fester. Religions must be forced to change, just as other parts of our culture have been. There is nothing special about religion – it is made-up fairytale nonsense and that’s no reason to exempt it from the law.

    Puling bigoted religious sensibilities are not special and deserve scorn, not protection. Equality is special, and must be universal and complete.

    1. Really? Please envisage a scenario in which a gay couple marry in a Roman Cahtolic Church or, even more SF, in a mosque…

      1. If they are a committed and deeply loved part of that religious community. If their religion is genuinely special to them. If their parents and grandparents and brothers and sisters all got married there and it is important to them too.

        But even if very few people do want to, that’s not the point. The point is that secular service providers cannot legally discriminate and so religious providers should not be able to either. The point is that there should be no legally set-aside safe spaces where the government protects the free exercise of harmful homophobic bigotry

        1. It would be reasonable if you asked that churches not be able to legally bind any marriage, and to leave it to government officials, but demanding that they perform a sacrament that does not exist in their religion is as absurd as not allowing the religions that do consider same sex marriages a sacrament to perform those marriages.

    2. “We will only be truly equal once they are FORCED to, against their precious bigoted doctrines if necessary.”

      How is that equal since they can currently refuse to marry anyone if they don’t like them ie. people from outside their parish, divorced people or people who they don’t feel are truly religious.

      Why do you want to force someone to marry a person they openly detest? What kind of a horrible atmosphere would that create on a wedding day?

      You can’t force people to stop being bigoted, that’s only going to galvanise their bigotry and turn them into martyrs for their cause .

      1. You can’t force people to stop being bigots, but you can prevent them exercising their bigotry in harmful and discriminatory ways, and send them a powerful message that society and the law will not condone what they do.

        And, actually, no they can’t turn away anyone they don’t like, thanks to the 2006 Equality Act. If they could then why would they be clamouring for an exemption? All other service providers are forced to comply, it is only fair and equal to force the churches just as much.

        And, personally, I want them to be forced to marry people they detest to make a vital and much-needed point about how stupid religious sensibilities are as nothing when compared to the need for universal equality before the law – how being religious does not entitle you to special treatment.

    3. Spanner1960 25 Jul 2012, 1:20pm

      By your reckoning, gay people should be forced to marry opposite sexes, because that is what everybody else does.

      Religious institutions are much like private clubs, they have their own rules and regulations and should be seen as such. “It’s my ball, so I say who’s playing, otherwise I’m going home.”

      1. No, your analogy is flawed. This is not an issue of private choice, it’s an issue of public service provision. You can choose not to offer a service to the public at all, but if you do then you are legally compelled to do so in line with our equality laws, and that means without discrimination on grounds of sexual orientation.
        Private clubs, too, are bound by these laws. But a church is not a private club and the law does not treat it as such. It is a small business, a tax-exempt charity, a public service provider and, in many cases, an instrument of state. If the equality act didn’t already apply to them, why would they be seeking a special exemption now?

    4. Why should they be forced? They have, rightly so, religious freedom and the choice to decide who they marry, what opinions they hold etc? Just like religious institutions should not be, and have not been, allowed to block same sex marriage NOBODY should be able to force them to marry individuals which go against their belief system. I’m gobsmacked by this stupidity of this comment.

    5. How would you know which were the open, inclusive and genuinely welcoming religions if you forced the bigoted ones to marry same-sex couples against their will?

      I would rather join a religion and be married by a religion that genuinely welcomed my sexuality, thank you very much. With a choice of Buddhism, Shintoism, Liberal and Reform Judaism, Pagans (including Wicca, Druidry, Heathenry, Religio Romana and various others), Quakers, Metropolitan Community Church, and Unitarians, there are plenty of religions committed to equality and inclusiveness. Unitarians and Quakers have been campaigning for LGBT equality since 1970 and 1967 respectively. The Metropolitan Community Church was founded in 1970 as a LGBT church. Pagans have been LGBT-inclusive for a long time, as well.

      1. You could just, y’know, ask them…

        But by forcing the bigoted ones to comply we would speed their transformation into more tolerant and welcoming ones. Forcing people to accept and be civil to those they currently demonise is a big step in breaking down prejudice.

    6. de Villiers 25 Jul 2012, 2:13pm

      Yes VP. They must obey, must obey, THEY MUST OBEY.

      1. Yes, they must. Just as they must obey our homicide laws and our tax laws and our traffic laws. Why should our equality laws be the only ones they shouldn’t obey?

        And shopkeepers and employers and theatres and universities and every freaking one else has to obey. And churches have to obey when it comes to the bits of the equality act that deal with race and gender and disability.

        Or is their equality somehow more important than ours? Is their equality absolute and inviolate where ours hangs on the say-so of an elderly paedophile in a dress?

  9. This is brilliant news! Yes, Scotland is leading the way.

    C’mon Callmedave, Cleggover & co. – hurry up with the Westminster bill – we don’t want the Frenchies beating us on this and at the rate things seem to be proceeding, it looks like they will.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 25 Jul 2012, 2:00pm

      Of course they will beat us! They have a parliamentary majority dominated by Hollande’s party which do not need other parties’ support. A done deal as the saying goes. Meanwhile, Westminster will drag its feet as it always does in matters of equality in England and Wales for no reason. It’s going to put Westminster in an awkward position once Scotland passes into law ahead of England.

  10. Daniel from Spain 25 Jul 2012, 12:10pm

    I hope to be approved soon in all UK.

  11. James As Well 25 Jul 2012, 12:20pm

    goosebumps!

  12. whoot :)

    but wait for the outrage from the good Cardinal and his entourage who will no doubt read the Scottish government the riot act, threaten all sorts, and tell them it’s not the will of the people, and it will destroy society …. something like that.

    Now, if I can sell my flat and move to Scotland – all will be well :D

    1. David Nottingham 25 Jul 2012, 3:38pm

      Hmm, now that’s a thought…I wonder if Gretna Green are developing a glossy broshure aimed at the English!

  13. I knew they would go ahead with it :). I guessed when they said they would discuss the issue at a committee to make sure that there would be religious protections. Really pleased to know that my country has taken another step towards becoming a fully progressive country. :)

  14. Well done Scotland, congratulations.

    And to Cardinal O’Brien I have only one thing to say (forgive me if I descend momentarily to an embarrasing level of childishness):

    NYAAAAAAH!

  15. This is great news and hopefully England will soon follow – if Dave and Nick have the guts to tell the churches to feck off.
    Stand by for the forecast of plague, pestilence and the downfall of civilisation by the religious bigots.

    1. Omar Kuddus 25 Jul 2012, 1:13pm

      With the reassurance from Cameron last night that the coalition government was determined to press ahead with same-sex marriage equality by 2015 it seems that England will join Scotland too.

  16. Fantastic news! I’ve got to admit to being worried all along that they’d decide to drop it, but now they’ve announced they will legislate, I don’t need to worry anymore! I’m so happy that they’ve made the right decision!

    Well done to the SNP government!

  17. Robert in S. Kensington 25 Jul 2012, 1:07pm

    Well done, Scotland. I only hope Westminster will do the same thing in a timely fashion instead of delaying for no reason while Scotlaand and France press on and will of course beat us to the post. I can just hear the hysterics now among C4M/CI, the Roman and CoE cults today. The Daily Mail and Telegraph won’t be happy campers either. All of their hateful rhetoric isn’t paying off.

    If Scotland passes equal marriage in 2013, I suspect couples in England and Wales going to Scotland to be married still would not have their marriages recognised by Westminster. It doesn’t even recognise same-sex marriages as marriages for British couples who’ve already married elsewhere. It will be very interesting to see how this impacts Westminster. The Tory backbenchers will be reeling with their illogical rants and armageddon. Revenge can be sweet at times. Again, well done Scotland, you’ve shown us the way to do it south of the border.

  18. A truly proud day to be Scottish. Makes me feel quite patriotic. I only hope we’re not waiting ’till 2015 before I can finally call my boyfriend my husband.

  19. Omar Kuddus 25 Jul 2012, 1:09pm

    Go on Scotland.
    With the reassurance from Cameron last night that the coalition government was determined to press ahead with same-sex marriage equality by 2015 it seems that England will join Scotland too.
    This is not only a victory for LGBT equality, but shown and proved that religion has NO part in politics and democracy.

  20. Spanner1960 25 Jul 2012, 1:16pm

    Great news, but this devolution thing gets on my pips. So what if a Scottish married couple move to England, will this be recognised? As an Englishman, can I travel up to Scotland, get married and return home?

    There seems to be too many loopholes and ambiguities in this. Why the hell can’t the British government just do a blanket ruling and be done with it?

    1. Equality Network 25 Jul 2012, 2:16pm

      Because we have devolution! Of course we hope that the UK Govt will legislate for England and Wales on the same timescale.

      Devolution has actually been useful for moving forward the LGBT equality agenda in Britain, because we can play leapfrog. Scotland repealed section 28 first; made it easier for England & Wales. England & Wales did aodption equality first; made it easier for Scotland. Etc.

      1. Spanner1960 25 Jul 2012, 8:47pm

        I just don’t see it.
        All I see is twice the talk, twice the paperwork, twice the cost to taxpayers, twice the hot air, twice the aggravation etc etc.

        All we end up doing is squandering what limited resources this country has on keeping a few twats like Alec Salmond and Sean Connery in kilts.

  21. *looks embarrassed*

    Sorry I said those rotten things about the SNP.

    *A bit ashamed, stares down at boots – Black Converse. One lace needs tying properly*

    I feel a tad silly, now.

    *smiles*

    Well done to Scotland, to the SNP, to Equality Network and to everyone who stood up to the bigots as god-botherers!

    Love and a playful tug on your sporrans,
    Sasha xx

    *ties lace on left Converse boot, this preventing tripping hazard*

    1. Apologies for typos. S

  22. Well done Scotland.

  23. BBC’s Lorna Gordon says (1pm news on BBC One) that “if it does go ahead, it will be 2015 at the earliest.”

    1. Equality Network 25 Jul 2012, 2:18pm

      Don’t know where she got that from. The Scottish Govt have said that the draft bill will be consulted on at the end of this year. The real bill can be introduced in the Scottish Parliament early in 2013, and could pass by the end of 2013. It could then come into effect in 2014. I suspect the Scottish Govt will want the bill through Holyrood in 2013, to clear the decks for the independence referendum in 2014.

      1. My Dad said that the BBC lunchtime news said it wouldn’t come into force until 2015, probably the same report that dave saw. I was surprised that it should take so long, so I’m glad to hear the Equality Network disagrees. Hopefully the BBC have just got it wrong!

        1. Lorna Gordon was on another report on BBC News channel just now (2.45pm), She said “the UK Equality Act will have to be amended, so if it does go ahead, the first same-sex marriage will not take place in Scotland until 2015 at the earliest.”

          1. Equality Network 25 Jul 2012, 3:14pm

            That is not true. The amendment needed to the Equality Act is very small, and the UK Govt have pledged to cooperate on this. The amendment can be made by a UK Govt statutory instrument between the passing of the equal marriage act by the Scottish Parliament (end of 2013?) and its coming into effect (mid 2014). There’s no reason for for any delay.

          2. But surely the Equality Act is probably going to be changed for Eng/Wales as well so the pressure to put a change into this well before 2015 is fairly strong??

            I can’t really see Eng/Wales being far behind Scot and they must be pretty strong co-operation between them and I can’t really see religious weddings being left out of the Eng/Wales bill.

            Can’t be just a coincidence to have Cameron come out with his postive statement at the same time as Scot announces this. On top of all that we have that truly homophobic comment from the Scottish archbishop to really wind everyone up.

          3. Equality Network 25 Jul 2012, 4:08pm

            Yes certainly, the Scottish announcement makes it more likely England and Wales will proceed I think. But we don’t want Scotland forced to wait till 2015 for E&W to catch up!

          4. John

            As Scotland have devolved power any alteration by Statutory Instrument to a pre existing Westminster piece of legislation due to new Scottish legislation would only impact on Scotland (unless the Westminster govt chose otherwise).

  24. Omar Kuddus 25 Jul 2012, 1:56pm

    I feel 2015 is far too long away for England to have the same rights as our Scottish counterparts but having said that Cameron did say, by 2015 not in 2015. Scotland’s bill should be introduced by next summer, and it can cause problems in the UK.
    For if one is married in Scotland, does that mean that British citizens find that they are not legally married in England or Wales?
    For being British, one can amend ones status in ones passport which would then be invalid over the border.
    This also means if not, that is they are legally married everyone from England and wales would simply go to Scotland to get married.
    I personally feel that the bill now must be introduced simultaneously all over the UK, to end any confusion.

  25. Well done Scotland, this is fantastic news! It’s also great news that Humanist and Pagan celebrants will be able to perform same-sex marriages, as they can already do opposite-sex ones in Scotland, unlike in England and Wales.

  26. While I’m happy, the BBC reports that another two consultations will follow: one for protecting free speech in schools for parents and children (sigh) and another regarding the implementation of the bill at the end of the year. This will probably delay it for some time.

    1. Equality Network 25 Jul 2012, 2:20pm

      The Scottish Govt have said the draft bill consultation will happen by the end of the year. The reall bill could be introduced by next spring and pass during 2013. It could then come into effect in 2014.

    2. GulliverUK 25 Jul 2012, 2:24pm

      They MUST teach that same-sex relationships are completely valid, otherwise they will be failing to tackle homophobia in schools, and that is a much higher priority than not upsetting a few Catholic schools. Religious values are for church, school is for teaching children about the real world, and mainstream (not creationism f-wittery) commonly-held beliefs.

      I favour all religious involvement in education be stopped as all schools should be secular, so that they can properly serve everyone, from all faiths, and none. Children who believe they have a particular faith can get their religious indoctrination in their faith’s temples, after and away from school. If we are not careful we’ll have several generations of hateful religious folk brought up in homophobic schools who cause havoc in society. I don’t want my taxes paying for anything religious, and certainly not schools.

  27. Scotland, a beautiful country within Great Britain is set to become even more beautiful! Welcome to the 21st century!

  28. So will marriage equality be introduced by 2013 or 2015 ?

    1. Equality Network 25 Jul 2012, 2:23pm

      Not in 2013 – the bill should be able to get through the Scottish Parliament in 2013, but unfortunately there is always a few months delay before this kind of legislation comes into effect in this country, after the Parliament passes it, while procedures are put in place and secondary legislation is done. So it looks like 2014 for the first same-sex marriages in Scotland.

      1. Ok, thanks for the info. :)

      2. Not according to the BBC – see my comment above re the UK Equality Act.

        1. Equality Network 25 Jul 2012, 3:15pm

          The BBC are mistaken on this (I spoke to both the Scottish and UK Govts about exactly this, this morning)!

          1. Tell it to Lorna Gordon then

          2. BTW here is her report from the 1pm news, before she mentioned the Equality Act

          3. dave

            The BBC are shoddy at reporting LGBT matters.

            The Equality Network have been shown to be fully aware, influential and informed on this matter.

      3. No, the BBC is reporting that the deputy prime minister said the start of 2015 is the earliest the law could take effect.

        1. Equality Network 25 Jul 2012, 4:16pm

          The date for same-sex marriage to be introduced in Scotland is not up to the Deputy Prime Minister. If the Deputy First Minister of Scotland said that, we’d be very concerned and straight on to her office, but I don’t think we need to be too concerned here – it’s most likely to be confusion somewhere. The UK Govt have been very clear publicly that they won’t stand in the way, or delay, equal marriage in Scotland. They will themselves be concerned that if they did cause delays, especially in the run up to the indpendence referendum in Oct 2014, one effect might be more equal marriage supporters (and that’s a lot of people) thinking that maybe we’d be better off out of the UK!

        2. Equality Network 25 Jul 2012, 4:30pm

          I must apologise – apparently Nicola Sturgeon did tell Newsdrive that the first same-sex marriages could not happen before 2015 at the earliest, and as a result we have called the Scottish Govt for an explanation and are waiting for the reply. Our view is that it should be possible by 2014 and there should be no delays.

          1. Ok, it’s not great to hear that, but at least they have now comitted to legislating. That’s the thing that bothered me most.

            Although I hope they don’t draw it out longer than absolutely necessary, of course.

        3. Equality Network 25 Jul 2012, 4:57pm

          It seems that the difference in expected start date for same-sex marriages is down to the time it may take to consult on and implement the required secondary legislation after the bill is passed in the Scottish Parliament and gets royal assent. We estimated 6 months, which would take us to around July 2014 at the earliest. Some sources suggest it may take a year, which would take us to Jan 2015 at the earliest. That is not becuase of the need to amend the Equality Act, but simply the need to consult in Scotland on the secondary legislation on how for example churches that want to get their ministers approved to do same-sex marriages.

          1. Not ideal that it could take longer than thought, but at least it’s about making sure religions can carry out same sex marriages rather than ensuring they can opt out – have I got that right?

            I can’t say I’m too concerned about this, I’m just glad we know for sure the SG are going to legislate!

  29. PeterinSydney 25 Jul 2012, 2:08pm

    Congratulations to Scotland for rejecting the vicious homophobia of the Catholic Bishops. Now if Scotland can do the right thing, why can’t the Australian Government do the same?????

  30. There is no excuse for the delay. Get on with it. Pass it, re-issue gender neutral documents that will work for everyone whatever gender they may be. Just stop gaming the lives of LGBT people and get it done.

    New York State – population just under 20 million people, had the first ceremonies 30 days after the Governor signed the bill. Scotland has about a quarter of the population. It can be done. It can be. So get on with it.

    “Justice delayed is justice denied”. There is no excuse.

  31. If I’ve got it right, these plans will allow an individual religious celebrant to opt out of performing same sex marriages even if their religion agrees with them and carries them out.

    I’m not sure I agree with an opt out like this because a civil registrar will get no opt out, and rightly so. It’s different if the religion as a whole opts out but not individuals when that religion agrees.

    1. Equality Network 25 Jul 2012, 3:09pm

      The reason for this is that there are churches like the United Reformed Church that want to do same-sex marriages, but don’t want to force all their ministers to do them. As the Equality Act stands, it appears that they would not be able to take that position. They would have to either not do it at all, or insist on all their ministers doing it. The amendment would let them have some ministers do it. The problem with the law saying it has to be all or none, is that it will hold up for many years many churches deciding to do same-sex marriages at all, because in most cases where a church will decide to do them, they won’t want to insist that all their ministers do them. So it would be bad for LGBT people of faith because it would delay for many years the opening up of many kinds of religious wedding to same-sex couples.

      1. This will add a further layer of discrimination against LGBT people.

        1. I can see the argument the Equality Network uses. I just hate the idea that someone can opt out of an equality law just because they’re religious. It doesn’t sit well that religions can opt out either, to be honest, but I’m not advocating forcing them. When it comes to individuals, though, I’m even more uneasy about it. After all, I can’t pick & chose what laws to obey whether I agree with them or not.

          1. Exactly so. All religious groups should be compelled to offer same-sex marriages if they offer marriages at all. Just like every non-religious service provider is.

  32. Jock S. Trap 25 Jul 2012, 3:16pm

    This is excellent news for Scotland and it’s LGBT community… Well done!!

    Let’s hope this goes someway in helping the rest of the UK to do the same against the bigots we have to endure.

    Will we see however, the Scottish religious extremists trying to hold up with endless courtroom battles? I do hope not as they are too misguided to be taken seriously.

    A great day!!

  33. David Nottingham 25 Jul 2012, 3:36pm

    There you go, Cardinal, time to shut up methinks and definitely time to re-think what else you could spend that £100K on.

  34. Pleased to say that the story is on the Newsround website –

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/18984375

  35. To everyone who keeps asking the same questions over and over again: read the civil partnerships act.
    1. After this passes, if you get married in Scotland, whether you’re from Scotland, England, or anywhere else in the world, your marriage will be recognised as a Civil Partnership in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. This is the same for a couple, whether British or not, who are married in say, Canada or Spain now, and who come to the UK. Their marriage is automatically considered a civil partnership in the UK. It gives them equal rights to a married couple, aside from the word marriage, which is ridiculous, hence this whole process. Once England/Wales passes marriage equality, all extra-jurisdiction marriages (ones that took place outside England/Wales) will finally be called marriages, instead of CPs, which is the same thing that will happen in Scotland once it passes there. So in 2014, a Spanish marriage will be called a marriage in Scotland, but still a CP in England. In 2015,

  36. continued: In 2015, a Spanish marriage, and a Scottish marriage for that matter, will be called a marriage in England and Wales. English and Welsh civil partnerships will need to file paperwork to convert. Foreign marriages that are already marriages will be automatic. It doesn’t matter what your nationality is. It matters what country you were married in.
    In Northern Ireland, Scottish and English/Welsh marriages will be continue to be called civil partnerships, like foreign marriages are now. The UK has 4 political centres of power and 3 legal jurisdictions.
    Passports: a British passport does not carry information on marital status. If you get married or CP’d and change your name, obviously that effect it, but it never says married/single/CP/etc.

  37. where are all my comments?

  38. Pavlos Prince of Greece 25 Jul 2012, 4:22pm

    Very very nice. But – what so important happen in this one week since last Tuesday? I something miss?

    1. It is a good question, Pavlos. They could have announced right at the beginning of the consultation that they would legislate but just had to work out the details of doing so – like the UK government did.

      Instead we didn’t even know if the SG would legislate until today. It would have saved me months of worry!!!

      I’m very happy that they are going ahead with it, it almost makes up for all the worrying I did!!!

  39. The Scottish Governement has made my day :D

    1. I’ve got to agree with you, Charlie! I was very worried at times over the last 10 months or so that they’d back down and I’m so glad, and a little surprised, that they announced their decision today to legislate! When I read the story on Pink News I couldn’t quite believe it at first!

      I know I’ve been very critical of the SNP when it comes to gay equality, and they’re still not perfect, but they really got it right this time!

      1. Yep :), pleased to. Guess in a few years time i might be going about with billboard signs saying Nicola Sturgeon 4 First Minister / PM. :)

  40. “We have no problem with a small amendment to the Equality Act to ensure that religious celebrants who disagree don’t have to conduct same-sex marriages.”

    Hmmmm. Potentially another “Section 28″ in the making it seems to me. Does any potential amendment to the Equality Act really need to reflect the bigots’ homophobia or could it not be gender-neutral (i.e., ensure that ‘religious celebrants’ do not have to conduct any marriages they chose not to)? I think that would save a war.

    1. Talking of Section 28, I guess we owe thanks to that bus wanker Souter! After all, his half a million quid donation to the SNP last year helped them to win their majority in Parliament which has allowed them to proceed with equal marriage.

      Cheers Brian!!!

  41. Pavlos Prince of Greece 25 Jul 2012, 10:04pm

    I hope, ‘Aiden’ will survive this day… Maybe in some very anonymous gay bar?

    1. I’m sure “Aiden” is locked away with, his e-mail buddy, Cardinal O’Brien holding eachother and weeping about the militant gays :P

      1. Maybe today’s good news will encourage “Aiden” to finally come out!!!

  42. Congratulations Scotland

    Great to see you leading the way in developing LGBT equality.

    Look forward to getting married, maybe in Scotland.

    And to Cardinal O Brien, the demented Archbishop of Glasgow, Andrea Williams, Anne Widdecombe, Sentamu, David Skinner, Aiden et al —- *points and laughs*

  43. So, so happy.

    Now we’re just waiting on the rest of the UK…

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