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Stonewall main sponsor of UK Black Pride again in 2012

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  1. Spanner1960 23 Jul 2012, 5:32pm

    Call me unpolitically correct, but I find this whole thing diversive, pointless, and to some degree, racist.

    If we had a “white pride”, “women’s pride” or even “disabled pride”, there would be stink over why others were excluded. We are stronger in numbers; trying to pigeonhole people even further just makes things even harder for all concerned.

    1. I think you might mean ‘politically incorrect.’

      There are literary prizes for women only (eg the Orange Prize); there’s an entire set of Olympic games, I understand, for ‘disabled’ people. Are these divisive, pointless, wrong, in your view? Do people complain that they’re excluded?

      It might be best to ask what black gay people feel about the issue, don’t you think?

      1. Spanner1960 23 Jul 2012, 10:47pm

        Yes, but in those cases they are competitions; they are offered simply to act as a level playing field. Most sports have male and female events simply because men are physically stronger, able-bodied people are more capable than disabled, and women writers don’t have the imagination of men… (joke).

        A black gay pride serves no purpose but to differentiate. If what you say is true, then there is no reason why we can’t have a young white gay men’s Pride, but I suspect there would be an uproar if one was proposed.

        1. Possibly, but maybe there wouldn’t be if young white gay men felt they were a[n ignored] minority within a minority – which, in the UK, they’re not.

          It is just possible that a number of black gay men feel they’re not on a ‘level playing field’ simply because they’re young, gay and … black – is that not an idea worth considering? Surely the proof of this pudding is in whether the target group, so to speak, feels it’s necessary, not whether you – as someone who’s neither black nor young – does?

        2. Spanner, many people use your argument about us – gay people. Why do we need Gay Pride when heterosexuals don’t have a straight pride and so forth. Gay people are a minority group and therefore sometimes need things like Gay Pride. Black gay people are simply a minority within a minority.

          1. I agreee with the idea that minorities need more visibility . but my personal preference would be to have Pride with everyone standing side by side and with minorities being given adequate visibility. We are more complex than the labels ascribed to us whether these are black , arab , asians, etc . Yes some of us may have a strong sense of affiliations with ethnicity while we need also to bear in mind that some others do not and we are all differently different but we all share a common humanity :)

          2. Again, that argument could be extended to say that we don’t need Gay Pride at all, we are all different – gay or straight – but share a common humanity and should stand together.

            I really don’t see a problem with Black Pride, and I find it strange that gay people who think Gay Pride is okay do have problem with Black Pride.

          3. Spanner1960 24 Jul 2012, 10:00pm

            BennieM: I think you hit the nail on the head there:
            Personally, I don’t think we need Gay Pride any longer. As far as the UK is concerned, it has served its useful purpose. The reasons it was set up in the first place have been all but rectified, and any outstanding ones are not going to be fixed by a bunch of queens marching half-naked down Picadilly blowing whistles.

            Having “minorities within minorities” merely highlights the disparity between us, rather than our commonality; or would you prefer ‘gay Asian one-legged pensioners Pride?’ I was always a believer in safety in numbers.
            Do you catch my drift?

          4. So why describe ourselves as gay at all, in that case? We shouldn’t need gay pride or gay clubs & clubs or any of it.

            But actually we do as we’re still treated different by the straight majority. If a minority group within the gay community feels the need for their own gay pride, then I don’t see why it’s such a problem, particularly for other gay people.

          5. People who only describe themselves as gay might be fine with a single gay community, but what if you’re black & gay or jewish & gay or disabled & gay and that general gay community doesn’t suit you and the problems you face. So what’s wrong with a social club for black gay people? Most people would say nothing yet have a problem with black gay pride.

    2. burningworms 24 Jul 2012, 6:01pm

      Spanner, you are more than welcome to come. The reason why there is no white pride is because pride is primarily white. I agree with BennieM;why have pride at all, we all are human, why section ourselves futher? The answer to that is the answer to the question of why black pride is necessary and welcomed.

  2. You’d think as a sponsor of an LGBT event, S’onewall would have the good grace not to erase everything but the G. It’s bad enough that they soak up so much LGBT funding and air time without making trans exclusion the price of their endorsement for *another group’s* event.

    1. Please note that this is only S’onewall England. Stonewall Scotland is fully inclusive!

      1. I thought so too, but the director of Stonewall Scotland wrote an article about equal marriage a few days ago in either the Scotsman or Herald and he specifically said that Stonewall Scotland was for gay, lesbian & bisexual Scots – which really surprised me. I’ll try and find a link and post it in a further comment.

        1. While the article does refer to LGB&T people when talking about same sex marriage, it goes on to say:

          “Stonewall Scotland campaigns for equality and justice for gay men, lesbians and bisexuals.”

          Maybe it was a mistake leaving out trans people in that sentence – but it’s a pretty big mistake!

          http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/columnists/church-leaders-say-telling-children-about-gay-marriage-would-destroy-our-society-if-we-dont-what-is-our-socie

  3. Oh FFS Please stop winging. People work hard to do something for their community. To help build a bit of visibility (according to mainstream media only white middle class people can be gay). And all others in the community can do is scream “what about me?” like little children.

  4. Mister Fister 24 Jul 2012, 1:09am

    I was arrested, locked up for four days and charges with inciting racial hatred for wearing a White Pride T-Shirt.

  5. White people you’re welcome too:)

  6. Black Gay Pride is an expression by Black LGBT people for Black LBGT people that recognises our need to find a space defined by us where very few such spaces exist in the UK.

    The scene is already divisive. All Gay clubs and the main Gay prides are by default white prides. White attendants are the overwhelming majority

    Black Gay Pride is pro Black not anti anything. Recognising the multiplicity of Blackness that exists throughout the Diaspora without judgment. It’s an opportunity to talk bout the thing that interest us and celebrate things that unite us. UKBlack Pride is about building and strengthening a community. It has at its heart a philosophy of inclusiveness. All are welcome but this time we are the majority.

    Lastly it’s often the case that when race is concerned people swap the terms Black and white as if a zero negative. There is no need for a declared white pride no more than there is for a white fire service or a white car rental firm. The majority is catered for.

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