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London: Anti-gay hate preachers to speak at conference this weekend

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  1. How are these animals even allowed to enter the country?

    1. take a look around there are several kinds of Muslim animals walking our streets -

      1. To try and confine it to just Muslims is doing a disservice to those who are accepting of all people, regardless of gender, faith, or any other factor. And leave us not forget that there are animals of other faiths, or lack of faith, who are just as bad and deserving of the same condemnation.

    2. Your the animals, who sleep around with each other. Can’t even keep a relationship in a marriage. God created Adam and eve, not Adam and Adam!!!! Go look at the old testament and see what it says about homosexuality.

      1. Grow up! That tired old bible really doesn’t have much relevance in this day and age! Perhaps you should try living in the 21st
        century and find out what you are missing out on!

  2. Can someone please explain to me how this is NOT a terrorist convention? These people intend to address and assembled group, target a minority (us) and tell said group that we are the worst menace imaginable who should be punished in some way.

    What if LGBT people are LESS safe as a result of this putrid gathering (which has so much in common with the NSDAP in the 1930s that it bloody chills me).

    1. Spanner1960 6 Jul 2012, 8:26pm

      What has this got to do with terrorism?
      Sure, they are homophobic, and potentially dangerous, but that is a long way from planting bombs. Please stop trying to stretch the facts and keep a handle on this.

      1. Terrorism has nothing to do with bombs and everything to do with using techniques of fear and coercion to force other people to change their way of lives, to feel less safe, to feel like things that other people take for granted are being denied.

      2. I suspect faced with the gallows of a stoning you would be screaming your tits off in terror.

        1. Spanner1960 7 Jul 2012, 2:42pm

          That still isn’t terrorism.
          That is breaking laws. You commit the act, you pay their price, whatever that happens to be. It is possible to be legal and wrong.

      3. Jock S. Trap 7 Jul 2012, 11:55am

        Sorry but promoting the killing of innocent people, no matter who says it is a form of terrorism!

  3. Why weren’t these people banned from the country like the “God hates” lot in America?

  4. Sometimes I think screw free speech (if you cant say anything nice don’t say anything at all). Hate speech should not be protected by free speech laws, people think free speech gives people the right to be disgusting bigots but it doesn’t,

    1. theotherone 6 Jul 2012, 8:52pm

      who defines whay is ‘nice’? you? a religious person? one of these people?

      1. I understand you point but I think it is possible. Certainly it would be dangerous – there are certain words that could incite panic and harm in a crowded tube station and you would be prosecuted for if a person used them. Same principle.

        1. Opps accidentally posted before editing – should read…

          I understand you point but I think it is possible. There are certain words that could incite panic and harm in a crowded tube station and wouldn’t be acceptable. Same principle.

      2. If you advocate violence and intolerance towards a minority group who are doing you no actual harm, that is not “nice” by any definition.

  5. How are these people allowed to run publicly funded schools?

    1. You raise an important point – the indoctrination of children with hate must be a serious concern. Particularly in a multicultural society.

  6. These scum bag bigots who are happy to f@*k their brothers and sons and anally penentrate their wives and sister and daughters – but open and honest gay consenting relationship are a sin? – despicable superstitious bullies!

  7. Nice attempt PN, at addressing how the views of the before mentioned people are not approved of by all Muslim groups. Rather then taking a daily hatemail approach towards the story.

    1. The Real james 8 Jul 2012, 10:54am

      Typical deluded, apologist dhimmi. Muslims are UNITED in their hostility to homosexuality. The 2009 Gallup survey was conducted by a team of “moderate” muslims, and the survey concluded that British muslims were universally hostile to homosexuality. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality These hate preachers are just giving British muslims what they want. 10,000 muslims attended the Hizb ut Tahrir conference in 2002. Before the homophobic Zakir Naik was banned from the country, he was schedulded to address 30,000 muslims, all prepared to pay money and travel hundreds of miles to hear him say that non-muslims are animals.

  8. The hate preachers must be tackled and I hope approrpiate action will be taken to tackle any incitement to homophobic hatred that might occur in a public meeting … (undercover journalist with police connections might be useful!).

    However, I do think PN have made a reasonable report highlighting both the abhorrent and odious nature of the group that are holding this conference and giving contrasting comment from other Muslims who oppose it.

    1. theotherone 6 Jul 2012, 8:53pm

      i think they deserve a virtual pat on the back for the story :-)

  9. Jesus moran 6 Jul 2012, 7:11pm

    Deport ten all back to their Land and built a great wall and don’t let them come back Ever!!!

    1. Tempting as your idea is that doesn’t do anything for the plight of GLBT people in the countries where these ‘hate incite-ors’ come from. They are truly the ones who are really paying a high price for the tolerance gains we make and we need to fight for their rights too.

  10. A mess of lies, obsessions, superstitious fantasies and hatred. How do these people avoid being carried off by people in white coats? And in what sort of context or culture is this sort of garbage considered mentally balanced? The mind, as they say, boggles.

    1. What we have found as motivations behind the Catholic clergies agenda of hatred was either (1) they were scapegoating gays in order to distract their believers and the wider society from the fact they were actually the ones hurting children and families or (2) they were self loathing homosexuals (I refuse to call them gay) who were projecting their psychological dysfunction onto others to make themselves feel better.

      People that are obsessed with homosexuality and tour the world spreading hate are usually hiding something.

  11. Omar Kuddus 6 Jul 2012, 8:37pm

    As if there was not enough hate in this world already towards LGBTs!

    His statement “…The heavens, the Earth and the mountains tremble from the impact of this sin. The angels shudder as they anticipate the punishment of Allah to descend upon the people who commit this indescribable sin. He who is found committing the sin of the people of Lut should be killed along with his partner. ‘Is nothing short of inciting hate and thus a hate crime>
    The question has to be asked why is being allowed to attend and spew his hatred?
    This will be but one of the venues where fundamentalist Muslims are spreading hate and being homophobic.
    It is well documented and been broadcasted that Derby pride is to be again protested against on Sunday.
    And we all recall what happened last year, all too well.

    1. It is primitive and uneducated way of thinking (or a deliberate manipulation) to associate by inference human dangers like natural disasters (trembling mountains) with a minority group that you don’t like.

      Unfortunately the intellectual bar isn’t set very high in order to become a so called religious leader.

  12. GingerlyColors 6 Jul 2012, 9:28pm

    How would they like it if we organised a conference to make hate speeches against Muslims? These extremists are nothing more than the mirror image of the British National Party who I must stress are no friends of ours either. If they don’t like our tolerant society then they should stop receiving benefits and free healthcare from it and better still they should leave the country if they hate it so much.

    1. you can’t compare being a Muslim, animal lover or a socialist to being gay. You can only compare being gay to being straight, we are born that way. No one is born a Muslim, animal lover or a socialist. There is an enormous difference!!!!

  13. Arrest the bastards if they violate the law and then prosecute them to the full extent of the law.

  14. Tehmina Kazi, the director of British Muslims for Secular Democracy also stated her alarm about the upcoming conference

    Please note, those who (often rightly) bemoan the lack of outspoken anti-extremist voices among Muslims in the UK.

    1. Well said, Rehan

    2. Yes, Tehmina Kazi’s comments are most welcome but I would like to see more forceful protest from liberal Muslims. This is a Muslim problem and only Muslims can sort it. The same goes for the Catholics. The Pope will not listen to Nick Clegg, that’s for sure.

    3. Great post & its so great to hear about “British Muslims for Secular Democracy” I must look them up now.

  15. Helge Vladimir Tiller 6 Jul 2012, 9:37pm

    Hate speeches similar to those referred to here, is a criminal offence in all Scandinavia ,and consequently punishable ! What about UK ?

    1. Inciting homophobic hatred is a criminal offence in the UK and people (including Muslim extremists) have been convicted of it and imprisoned for it. I hope if these people give such speeches or incitement they are arrested, prosecuted, convicted and deported.

      1. Cardinal Capone 6 Jul 2012, 11:52pm

        No doubt Spooks or The Press will be keeping an eye on them in case.

      2. Helge Vladimir Tiller 7 Jul 2012, 4:54pm

        Thank You for your information, Stu ! All freedom-loving people must fight this homophobic evil. Together we are strong ! A warm hug from Norway-

  16. So, only a few days after the police have arrested numerous Islamists on terrorism charges – we proceed to allow a platform for preachers of extremism and hate? This cannot go on.

  17. Christopher 7 Jul 2012, 5:53am

    ‘…The heavens, the Earth and the mountains tremble from the impact of this sin. The angels shudder as they anticipate the punishment of Allah to descend upon the people who commit this indescribable sin. He who is found committing the sin of the people of Lut should be killed along with his partner.‘

    Hmm, I live in Canada, and we are just fine, thank you. The Canadian Shield is holding up just fine, as are the Rockies. The Great Lakes have yet to overun their shores…
    Now, the United States, on the other hand, is really suffering from weather these days…

  18. All at one venue and nice and easy to arrest all of them at one time. Get them processed and out of the way as soon as possbile. I hope that Scotland Yard is aware of this. I wonder if this is a set up by the Government?

  19. the conference should be renamed to: clinging on to medieval views in XXI century

  20. Exercising the right of freedom of speech is one thing, but to support homophobia, violence and misogyny are just wrong. How come these people are even allowed to organise this kind of conference? Gay men and women are being persecuted around the world, and here we have these scumbags trying to rectify homosexuality. Seriously, there is just something wrong with Islam. Have them lobotomized, I wouldn’t care.

    1. As the article quite clearly shows this is not all Muslims.

  21. Jock S. Trap 7 Jul 2012, 11:53am

    Let’s get this straight… If this conference was about hatred for religion, Christian, Muslim etc, about Black or Asian or either women it would be banned.

    So why not because it’s hatred against the LGBT community of which we are not illegal?

    Questions do need to be answered about this kind of conference on British soil, let alone anywhere in the world!

  22. Demo?

  23. Robert in S. Kensington 7 Jul 2012, 12:27pm

    It’s not only muslims, look at the nutters who organised the C4M/CI campaign and those who signed the petition. Their words may not be as harsh but the same message is there, incitement to hatred which can often inspire others so inclined to commit violent acts against us.

    If Islam is supposed to be a “peaceful” religion, why haven’t any of the world’s mullahs condemned extremists, held them accountable? The fact of the matter is, none have which in my mind means they support this vile, disgusting behaviour.

    I’m all for deporting foreign born muslims involved in perpetuating hate, but we have our own home grown and converts. How is this vicious cycle ever going to be stopped. They don’t appear to be afraid of prosecution and probably consider themselves martyrs to the cause. If they hate western culture so much, why do they come to the UK and abuse the freedoms they enjoy that they wouldn’t in their own countries? Makes no sense.

    1. Makes sense to them as they believe the UK belongs to Allah. Same attitude as Christian missionaries had to everywhere they went.

  24. Anti-gay-hate preachers would have been news.

  25. I applaud the courage of the Muslims quoted here who denounce this deranged hatred. The anecdotal evidence suggests that lots of Muslims deplore this strain of Islamic belief but (for good reasons) are too afraid to speak out.

  26. Bill Drayton 7 Jul 2012, 11:43pm

    I thought that there was already a law which prohibits the use of free speech to incite hatred. So why haven’t these purveyors of evil been banned from speaking and in fact deported.

    1. They have not committed an offence if they have not incited hatred. So until the conference occurs that specific criminal offence is not complete.

      You can attempt, conspire, aid and abet or incite an offence – but you can not attempt to incite an offence, conspire to incite etc etc

      Other offences may be in existence – but I am not sure which.

  27. “However, according to Harry’s Place bloggers the event is still going to take place this Sunday at an undisclosed location.”

    As you stated earlier but then removed, it took place today at The Waterlily, Mile End Road:

    http://www.thewaterlily.net/

    Karl Engel, the Waterlily Venue Manager, denied booking the venue for Al-Muntada/ILM Events, and even claimed he had threatened legal action against them and had contacted his local Police Prevent Team. These were all lies. The event went ahead today as planned, and was packed out:

    http://www.facebook.com/IlmEvents

    So, please reinstate what you had written earlier: i.e. that the event was at the Waterlily, Mile End Road. If in doubt, contact Harry’s Place, who will also have a post about all this tomorrow.

  28. I’m sooo sick of Islam my liberal-ness has been stretched too far. Islam it gets away with so much hatered.

    Where are all the Liberal Muslim voices when something like this kick off? I know there must be some out there….or am I wrong?

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