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  1. This is said to “not represent” the majority of Derby’s Muslim population. OK. But these are your sons, your brothers, your friends. Are you actually going to DO anything? Or sit on the sidelines and whine about how unfair it is to be considered the same. At what point does apathy give consent?

    Oh, and arrest and prosecute them again – that’ll be fun in the future when they need to pass a CRB or are applying for a mortgage or want to visit a country that will deny access due to criminal record.

    Convictions may seem a minor nuisance – small fines, small punishments – but they are carried for the rest of their lives. Good. I hope it makes life that little bit more difficult for them in the future.

    1. They represent Moslems. Period. please stop wasting time writing in the qualifying ‘fundamentalist’ adjective. If not, let’s hear the shouting from the other Moslem viewpoints. (don’t hold your breath) If this was the EDL (cue boos and hisses) or the BNP (ditto.) organizing a protest against the Mohammedans every media outlet in the country would be calling for them to be banned.

      1. But banning EDL or BNP from doing something – is not the same as barring all right wing politicians from seeking to do something.

        Equally lumping all Muslims in with Derby Muslim Action Force or any other fundamentalist group is fatuous.

      2. They represent Moslems. Period

        What, all 1.6bn of them including, say, the gay Lord (Waheed) Alli? I think not.

        Don’t undermine what may be good points by hysterical overstatement.

      3. Omar Kuddus 4 Jul 2012, 4:03pm

        They don’t represent THIS gay Muslim Activist,
        NOT in my name or in my religions are they allowed to spread an advocate hate.
        That is why I am advocating that anyone who attends Pride should make sure they get any and all possible evidence of their protest – photos of attendees with signs and videos of their chants etc. Then if they break the law, which is going to happen, it can be used in evidence against them when they are rightly prosecuted.
        There’s an important but fine narrow line between rightful protest and incitement – and if they cross it, as they will and have in the past, they should be caught and made to pay for their actions.

    2. I know Muslims who hate these fanatics, have no problem with gays or equality for women (including one elderly Algerian woman who has never worn a veil and says that her generation never did, and a young guy who lives out of wedlock with his girlfriend without scandalising his parents), like a glass of wine or beer, etc, etc, but, as you say, never seem openly to oppose this sort of poison. Maybe they are just scared – and you can’t really blame them.

      1. They’re only muslims in title, not action. When their ‘brothers and sisters’ who are more devout, and certainly more respected in their ‘community’ flex their muscles they will fall in line or keep their mouth shut, just read the Quran and the books of hadith, there isn’t many interpretations, there isn’t any metophorical fables like the bible has, it is always quite literal. Once you have, you’ll clearly see how muslims lie about their ‘perfect’ religion everyday to non believers. I would’ve been a Christian by birth and tradition, but after reading the bible objectively, decided I wasn’t. I made a small choice to be free. What’s their excuse? Don’t give me the cultural pressure thing, gays don’t have that?

  2. That There Other David 4 Jul 2012, 12:25pm

    These Islamist tits are such children. Given that the word Islam is supposed to mean Peace wouldn’t it be nice if they gave some to everybody’s ears?

    1. Since when does the word ‘Islam’ mean ‘peace’?

      1. If I’m correct (and please correct me if I’m mistaken – I study more Hebrew than I do Arabic), the Arabic verb salama (s-l-m) does mean “to be peaceful”. Both ʼIslām and Muslim are inflections of form IV (ʼaslama), which is causative, so the meaning is “to make be peaceful”. ʼIslām is a verbal noun, meaning “making be peaceful”, or in other words, “submission”. Muslim is a participle meaning “one who has been made to be peaceful”, or “submitted one”.

      2. Oh, and BTW, I am pro-gay. Please don’t “shoot the linguist”. XD

        1. It’s always SO GOOD, Dermot, to come across someone who grasps that words DO have meanings as well as significance, instead the usual ‘just spray’em out onto the page/screen’ approach adopted by so [too] many!
          Thank you.

          1. You’re welcome.

    2. It means ‘submission to God’. In default of any objective evidence about God, it thus, of course, can therefore mean anything.

      1. In Arabic, the word “Islam” means submission or surrender – however, it was derived from the root word “salam”. From this root word, you can also derive the words peace and safety. Many people feel that Islam implies some sort of enslavement to Allah, but others find it more helpful to define the word “Islam” as surrender.

  3. I am sure Derbyshire Police will act appropriately – as they have demonstrated before.

    What these people need to realise is that the UK is not an Islamist state and never will be.

    Therefore, their comments about “what the Islamic verdict is on homosexuals under an Islamic state” is irrelevant and wrong in the UK, particularly when it incites hatred.

    1. If they want to live by islamic law, go to an islamic country. Simple.

      1. and if they were born here …?

        1. Jock S. Trap 4 Jul 2012, 3:20pm

          Well they do have the freedom to move too Stu!

          1. Absolutely.

            If they wished to leave and form residence in a state which has the form of law they believe is best – thats a decision they can and should make.

            We can not force them to, if they were born here though.

          2. Paul.Essex/London 4 Jul 2012, 4:19pm

            And no one is saying that they should be forced. The point being made is that if they don’t wish to open their minds and stop preaching hate then they still have options. Which is more than that which is afforded to most LGBT.

        2. If they were born here, then they ought to appreciate the freedom of religion and protection from oppression that they have here in the UK as UK citizens and respect the views of others who live under the same freedom and protection

          1. They ought to … unfortunately its often not the case!

    2. i totally agree if they dont like it go back to a muslim run state

  4. Get them out of this country and into an Islamic state such as Saudi Arabia,

    1. The problem with that argument is that it is only feasible if the people causing these problems are from Islamic countries. Then we can deport.

      If (as in many cases) they are British born, we have no means to deport them.

      1. roderious 4 Jul 2012, 5:57pm

        regardless of where they were born, they have clearly expressed a wish to live under islamic law, therefore it is not at all controversial to suggest that they move to a country where they can live under islamic law.

        1. Indeed for them to leave by choice is fine.

          Indeed for them to leave by judicial or legal order if they are not a UK citizen is fine.

          We can not legally force them to leave if they are a UK citizen and I perceived the words by Neville “Get them out of this country” to suggest removing them by force.

          Where feasible and reasonable then fine, where by choice fine – but we need solutions for home grown extremists who do not choose to leave.

        2. Maybe not all of them can afford to?

          After all, that’s what’s suggested to [usually quite poor] Pakistani Christians, who’re increasingly made to feel unwelcome in that Islamic state: go and live somewhere else. Is that really a feasible, or indeed fair, suggestion?

      2. being a member of a hate group should mean they get their citizenship revoked, no matter where they were spawned.

        1. Which country would take them if we revoked their citizenship and how would we deport them if we did not have a country willing to take them?

          1. The flags up and down really do not bother me.

            I have asked a reasonable question – its a tad childish to mark me down but not engage in debate or answering that question.

            We have a genuine problem with homegrown extremists. There may be some who will leave of their own free will – and I am sure few would be concerned by that. Most will be unlikely to. We need a strategy to deal with homegrown extremists who will not leave and whom no country will accept. We have to tackle it.

    2. Paul.Essex/London 4 Jul 2012, 4:24pm

      I’m sure the Saudi LGBT community will be so grateful to see them, what with the fact that they don’t have enough bigots to deal with.

    3. radical53 5 Jul 2012, 4:18am

      Get them out of all western countries. Would be the answer

      1. If they are not British or if they want to go – fine.

        Otherwise, if they are British born extremists and there is either no country willing to take them or they refuse – we need a plan for that too.

        What do we do about that?

  5. How Islamists can ignore that homosexuality has been accepted as part of their culture since its very beginnings is beyond me.

    Some of the world’s most beautiful gay poetry was written by Muslims.

    1. Because all religious people re cherry-picking hypocrites and their holy texts of choice always allow them to bend interpretation at will to serve those with power.

    2. Some of the world’s most beautiful gay poetry was written by Muslims.

      Hm. Highly-privileged individuals, quite often, and most perhaps more accurately described as [functionally] bisexual, wouldn’t you say?

      1. Accepted? Bit strong. Valksky, there is no different interpretations on this subject in the Quran or hadith, whilst fornication with no alternative maybe okish, for man to love man that way means death, no exceptions. Just because they’ve been buggering the hell out of each other since forever doesn’t change what their religion states.

  6. This is the same group who had a number of their group imprisoned regarding a prior campaign.

    The group handed out the material in the street as well as posting it through letterboxes in a hate-filled campaign calling for the execution of gay people who they claimed were at the root of society’s problems.

    The leaflets leaflets went well beyond any expression of religious beliefs or temperate discussion. They were distributed at Pride and direct to households. There was evidence of intimidation of the local community – LGBT, Muslim and neither.

    Another member of the same group was convicted for similar offences last month.

    Its inherent that Derbyshire Police, Derby Pride and the Muslim community in Derbyshire act to seek to prevent such hatred this coming weekend in Derby reoccurring – and should their efforts fail to prevent it, act robustly to enforce the law.

    1. someone shou;d turn up to counter their protest with signs mirroring their message, eg Islam = Crime against Humanity.

  7. Robert in S. Kensington 4 Jul 2012, 12:51pm

    If this is not representative of the majority of muslims in Derby, then where are their leaders in all this? Why aren’t they condemning it? In my view, silence gives consent, applicable to all muslims who don’t speak out against it. If they don’t like our way of life, then get out, go back to middle east and to those converts, that applies to you too. It’s bad enough we’re already living in a ‘christian’ theocratic state. A christian monarch, head of a state cult which has a place in government equals theocracy.

    1. Has anyone actually asked? Even aside from the fact that the Muslim community no more has official “leaders” than the LGBT one does (who would they ask if the tables were turned? Peter Tatchell? Stephen Fry? Lady Gaga?) there don’t seem to be any quotes from prominent Muslims either way.

      If Pink News had bothered to maybe email a couple of imams or a Muslim politician and they’d declined to comment, then I’d believe this whole “silence” angle. You can’t expect to see a whole community protesting in the streets when a handful of its number do something stupid.

    2. Staircase2 5 Jul 2012, 1:10am

      @Robert
      …what you mean ‘where are THEIR leaders’…? lol
      ‘Their’ ‘leaders’ are OUR leaders you daft bugger…

  8. Omar Kuddus 4 Jul 2012, 1:06pm

    How can they say on their webpage “The anti-gay pride protest has been successfuly carried out for the past two years, despite the injust arrest and imprisonment of our fellow Muslims… this time we are going bigger than ever before”.
    Successfull meaning arested, and imprisoned.
    I sincerly hope that DPPC arrest them again this year and have the book thrown at theem for hate as has been done in the past.
    This queer Muslim is going to be there with lots of gay muslim friends out and proud.

  9. It’s just the same as the Christians who protest at the march in Manchester (and I’m sure everywhere else) – they’ll get booed just the same.

  10. To read offensive comments tarring all Muslims like this on pink pages is unbelievable.
    The Protestant, and Catholic churches have a large share of bigots too.
    All religions have their good and their bad.
    Let us keep it civil and hope the police arrest these offensive hate filled bigots and let us celebrate pride with all our brothers and sisters regardless of religion.
    Here where I live we have a Muslim representative in the US House. He is one of the best advocates for gay rights in the US. He is an awesome guy. So don’t tar everyone please.

    1. When my community (the LGBT community, one I did not choose but am in by default) behaves in a way that I think is wrong or injurious – biphobia or transphobia or example – I will try to take action to overcome the bad acts, to show plainly and clearly that I don’t accept that, that I don’t approve or agree and wish to offer something else.

      When religious people start to step up and do the same, I will stop tarring them with the same brush.

      1. Spanner1960 4 Jul 2012, 7:46pm

        Just because you happen to be one of a number of people that fit a certain criteria, that doesn’t make it a “community.”

        Gay men are the most selfish, egotistical, vain and unsocial people I know. The term “Gay community” is a complete oxymoron.

        1. Found your violin again have you Spanner1960.

          You may choose to not be in a particular LGBT community.

          I for one, am in a LGBT community, proud of it, thankful for it and enjoy participating in it.

          Your choice whether you want to be a grumpy old man and claim there is no such thing as community – but it makes you sound as snide and ignorant of reality as Thatcher was when she claimed there was no such thing as society.

        2. I agree that ‘gay community’ is a sloppy and inaccurate term. But by condemning all gay men you’re actually suggesting there is a single ‘community that can be labelled (or libelled) in a single way.

          Personally I prefer not to make generalisations about gay men, since I’m fortunate enough to know gay men of widely-varied types, political persuations and temperament.

          1. I agree, Rehan

            That is also my experience.

            I do not think there is necessarily one LGBT “community” singular. There are many LGBT communities. There are many communities (which may or may not include any reference to orientation) that include LGBT people.

            LGBT people are a group in society. We are not necessarily one community.

            I belong to a number of different communities – including some that are LGBT focused.

        3. Jock S. Trap 5 Jul 2012, 12:18pm

          “Gay men are the most selfish, egotistical, vain and unsocial people I know”

          Well just because you happen to be one of a number of people that fit that certain criteria, don’t take it out on the rest of us.

          I for one is very happy to be among a community and also among the Gay community.

          Oh… and the only ‘moron’ round here Spanner…., is you!

      2. Respect for human beings isn’t conditional. It’s something that we all must do, even if there are people who don’t treat us with respect in return. That’s what civility is. It also sets a good example, even to your ideological opponents. Anything that can build bridges of mutual respect and understanding in the community will be helpful. The anti-gay people mentioned in the article are not doing that, but we should.

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 4 Jul 2012, 1:39pm

      Well, here in the UK, none of our muslim leaders speak out against homophobia. As I said earlier, silence gives consent. If not all of them are against us, then why haven’t the ones who aren’t against us (not including gay muslims) spoken out in our defence? We have several muslim MPs, where are they?

      1. There were some Derby Muslim leaders who at the time of the trial about inciting homophobic hatred strongly condemned the actions and attitudes of the men who were convicted.

        A simple google search provided me with a Muslim making these comments at the time of the trial:
        “Any how, the evidence is clear that the leaflets have come from a section of our Muslim community even if every single person on trial is not involved. What is wrong with certain segments of our community nowadays? Is this the definition of Dawah? We clearly live in a Western democratic nation so why not accept that laws and cultures will exist that do not agree with yours or your faith?
        As much as I am the first to know that not all UK Muslims are like the men in the article, these types of incidents are not completely isolated either. How are these men different to the BNP/EDL? They are hardly representative of the indigenous White community but can still create a bad image.
        Why are some Muslim’s giving death

        1. threats and clearly they are targeting non Muslims. Have they not got anything better to do with their lives instead of being concerned with Barry round the corner who is gay?”

          It is even more difficult for Muslims to get the volume of publicity in supporting gay people than others. There are supporters out there and we need to encourage them. Dialogue changes minds.

          1. @Vince… thanks for providing some balance.

    3. @rej4si
      who is the representative you reference. I am curious. Thx

    4. rej4sl’s comment was gay-friendly, conciliatory and reasoned. As a gay person myself, I considered it a breath of fresh air when heard from a religious perspective. Why did he get so many thumbs down?

      1. I agree.

        Its sad that a well structured, thoughtful and concilliatory view is treated this way.

  11. “As Muslims it is our duty to forbid this major, deplorable evil of society.” Since when did these people has the power to forbid anything?

    Being gay is not deplorable nor it evil. It is also not a choice. You religion and bigotry is a choice.

    I do hope that the full weight of the law will come down hard on these people.

    1. Religion is an evil repressive force. Incites hate against anybody that does not conform to their arbitrary rules.

    2. Har Davids 4 Jul 2012, 6:41pm

      For “Muslims” read bigots, and that includes Christians and Jews of the more extreme variety. BTW, who gave these idiots their mandate?

    3. Spanner1960 4 Jul 2012, 7:50pm

      Unlikely. They might be bigots like their Anglican and Catholic brethren, but they are the wrong colour. Any attempt to rein them in will immediately bring down the wrath of every Guardian reader in the country with accusations of “institutionalised racism and Islamophobia.”

      Enoch Powell, where are you now when we need you most?

      1. Hmm, he tried to do what Rothermere and others did in the East End to foment hatred against groups in society. There was economic instability in the global economy then too. Then there was world war due to fascists. Is that the sort of wish you have, Spanner1960?

      2. Rubbish.

  12. I get very sick of this. I am annoyed that any group seeks to inflict and enforce their beliefs on the rest of society. They are not just protesting against homosexuality, but using it as a reason to establish sharia law. I am fed up of their judgemental desire to control and condemn. If I was in Derby I’d be protesting at their protest.

    1. Absolutely, this is about a minority who wish to see the UK as an Islamist state.

      Thats not going to happen.

      We need to be more honest in our appraisal of Muslims and not assume Muslim equals extremists such as these. In the same way a skin head is not necessarily a neo-n4zi or BNP member.

    2. Lynda Yilmaz 4 Jul 2012, 7:11pm

      Aiden. gay people are not demanding ‘special’ rights. They are demanding the same rights as everyone else and no one has the right to speak out against ‘them’ what does that mean – ‘them’? Why should anyone with any sense of decency or humanitarianism speak out against a group of human beings anyway? We’ve got the Christian faction preaching God loves everyone (except gays!) and God created everything (except gays!) and Muslims who just don’t want anybody to be or do anything that contravenes their own narrow miserable antiquated views, which by the way they are perfectly entitled to have but have no ‘right’ to impose on anyone else and since you are so ‘sick’ of special right demanding gay people, what are you actually doing reading Pink News in the first place let alone making stupid bigoted comments like this?

    3. I get very sick of anti-gay bigots demanding special rights and whinging when their special treatment is not special to them anymore, because others are able to share the same human rights.

      I wish these bigots would grow up, man up and stop being so pathetic.

      1. Heh. Wasted on our poor friend Aiden I’m afraid, though.

        1. Sadly it is indeed wasted – but momentarily made me feel good.

  13. Helge Vladimir Tiller 4 Jul 2012, 1:38pm

    There is a background for this hatred : Homosexuality is punishable by death in Islamic law schools excepting one ! Gay Muslims, moderate Muslims, and most non-religious people from Muslim cultural areas are against this “fascistic” hatred and intolerance. But to move the majority of these people to raise their voices against the fundamentalists is very hard-

    1. then they are cowards not worthy of respect.

      1. I think they are scared to raise their voices. They need a helping hand, not condemnation. Even when human beings act with great contempt for one another, we should leave open the potential that human beings can still do the right thing at the right time in the right place. They may just need some help.

  14. Anyone who attends the march should make sure they get good evidence of their protest – photos of attendees with signs and film of their chants etc. Then if they break the law it can be used in evidence against them when they are rightly prosecuted. There’s an important but narrow line between rightful protest and incitement – and if they cross it they should be caught.

    I am always ambivalent about the religious protests at any prides I attend. Their hatred makes me shudder – but they usually seem such a hysterical and lonely bunch of strange people – so out of step with the majority – that it is also reassuring. Most of society really has moved on.

  15. If they are living in the UK which is not under Islamic law then they shoudl respect our culture and laws. If they dont they know where they can bu@ger off back to.

  16. jesus moran 4 Jul 2012, 1:51pm

    as I always say this world is big enough for all of us if you don’t like me being gay pack up your bags resign to your english citizenship and go back to where you came from as simple as that , trust I won’t be visiting your countries EVER!!!!

  17. Its funny how Christians who do this are seen as a joke (in Manchester and Liverpool eg) but when it comes to Muslims people are up in arms. Even I feel more angry about Muslims doing this and Christians its weird.

    They are scum and the feeling is mutual.

    1. than* not and.

    2. Theres a big difference between christian protests and muslim protests … the bible doesn’t tell its faithful that gays should face death and teach its children that we should be stoned to death in its faith schools … islam however, does!

      1. Leviticus?

        1. the modern face of Christian homophobia does not typically invoke Leviticus and lapidary punishment. With a smile, they say they hate the sin not the sinner. (there are exceptions of course, mainly in dominionist circles) Not so with Muslim homophobia whose murderous intent is enshrined in law codes around the world. Therefore we should and must be more concerned at any expressions of hatred coming from Muslim quarters. It is typically far more violent in tone than anything the Christian Institute might promote.

        2. Leviticus is from the Old Testament, which is not part of Christians’ ‘rulebook’.

          1. Tell that to US fundamentalists.

      2. Sort of. The Qu’ran does not explicitly condemn homosexuality, nor proscribe a punishment – death or otherwise. HUMAN ignorant interpretation and wilful misrepresentation is what’s going on. This is no different to Christians who cherry-pick their Bible quotes, and the many preachers we’ve seen reported who bang on about rounding up queers and killing us off, etc. They’re fringe militants that do the mouthing off, either way.

        Islam is comparatively young, and will take time to evolve to the broad spectrum of more liberal views we are seeing now in Christianity and Judaism. If you look inside many Muslim communities around the world now, these changes ARE starting to happen. We should know well from our own experiences of fighting our way out of oppression, that these things do take time.

  18. Male muslim fundamentalists – are dictating Islam law in a country where there are more Gays than there are these backward misogynists – bullys who don’t like same sex relationships but are happy to penetrate their sons and brothers and force same sex oral relief on other men – so long as they don’t set up home together and embrace their natural sexuality – it’s beyond hypercritical –
    When are we going to stand up to these evil morons and show them superstition is no defense for ignorant hatred – You can smell the fear on these pigs!

    1. please do not insult pigs

  19. Doesn’t this knob head realise that evil homophobic muslims like him are the problem with society?

    If he has no respect for British life or law then deport him to Uganda. He’d enjoy their laws on gays

  20. Jock S. Trap 4 Jul 2012, 3:19pm

    Fact:- If you don’t like the Laws of the UK land you are perfectly Free to move country.

    1. yes that is the thing.im muslim as well living in uk.and here i need to obey the laws of the land. as far as law is ok with gays, n me n gays are ok with eachother niether me nor gays should have any problem with eachother.

  21. Stop Hate 4 Jul 2012, 3:47pm

    Please note that I have complained to police via Stop Hate UK that militant muslims are again targeting Gay Pride celebrations in Derby.

    On their website they are inciting hatred – imagine the EDL or BNP doing the same against a Muslim Festival – they would be arrested pretty quick.
    Please call Police or Stop Hate UK to register your complaint to ensure Homophobic Groups such as Derby Muslim Action Force are tackled by the law.

    Call Stop Hate UK on: 0800 138 1625

  22. oh so this is their allah, the most merciful
    nice to meet you

  23. Sometimes, I don’t blame people for calling Muslims terrorists because that is what they do. They terrorise the rights of others to be themselves and force people to comply to their ideas of life. The only thing need to be fixed is themselves. We have seen young gay men executed in Iran. I wonder if all these Muslim fundalmentalists shared the same mother and father? Islam is not peace. It is a nuisance.

    1. Islam is evil, and should be outlawed.

  24. Some interesting passages from a report I have been reading about British Muslim Gay Men (BMGM):

    “The perception among BMGM that their salient (i.e. religious, ethno-cultural) groupmemberships are homophobic may be psychologically damaging, inducing stress andnegative general mental health outcomes ”

    “It is acknowledged that there is an emerging ‘reverse discourse’ concerning theIslamic position on homosexuality, with some scholars arguing that there is indeed scope forthe theological accommodation of homosexuality (e.g. Hugle 2010, Jamal 2001). However,such theological accommodation is still in its infancy, given that ‘there are at present limitedefforts in Islamic theology which offer non-heterosexual Muslims resources to construct areverse discourse’ (Yip 2005: 50).”

    “Any contravention of cultural normsconcerning sexuality (e.g. being gay) can be regarded as a threat to the ethno-cultural groupas a whole, potentially resulting in negative consequences ranging from ostracisation

    1. to psychological or physical abuse (Jaspal and Siraj 2011). Therefore, homosexuality may beseen as threatening for Pakistani culture, resulting in a cultural homophobia”

      “noted feelings of regret,self-deprecation and self-hatred among many of his participants, given the ‘traumatic discrepancy’ between being Asian and gay”

      “Religious homophobia encourages the perception that Islam and homosexuality areincompatible and irreconcilable, while cultural homophobia indicates the incongruity of membership in the ethno-cultural group and self-identification as gay. In both cases, homosexuality is represented as a contravention of ingroup norms. This can have adverse outcomes for the belonging principle of identity, since being gay can itself hinder acceptance and inclusion in the religious and ethno-cultural groups”

      “consistently manifested the negative emotions of shame, guilt, fear and anger when reflecting upon being Muslim and gay. These emotional experiences can plausibly be attributed

    2. to BMGM’s awareness of and exposure toboth religious and cultural homophobia”

      “In January 2012, Derby Crown Court found five Muslim men of Pakistani descent guilty of distributing in theCity of Derby anti-gay leaflets calling for the death penalty for gay people (Britten 2012).This incident and reported experiences of discrimination, both implicit and explicit, withinreligious and cultural settings collectively exemplify the religious and cultural homophobiasurrounding many BMGM (Siraj 2009). ”

      http://nottingham.academia.edu/rusijaspal/Papers/1308897/Coping_with_religious_and_cultural_homophobia_emotion_and_narratives_of_identity_threat_from_British_Muslim_gay_men

      It seems that Gay Muslims experience fear and shame to confront the culture that they experience and almost live a life of schizophrenic attitudes to culture and orientation. If Gay Muslims themselves are reluctant to speak out, how less likely is it that others will. The researchers found some Muslim theologians that

    3. wish to develop an approach that is LGBT inclusive and supportive – but they are few in number currently.

      These are the Muslims that need our support and encouragement. Part of that support and encouragement is by tackling the extremists who wish to harm and spread hatred, building cultures that can allow fear to subside and shame to be confronted and overcome.

      We need to enter discourse and be agents of change for those who are seeking to support LGBT people, or are LGBT themselves. Those who recognise they wish to be part of the culture of the nation they live in.

      We need to strongly tackle those who seek to damage UK culture, harm LGBT people and foment an Islamist state in the UK. They need to be treated with vigour and determination by politicians, the law and society as a whole (including Muslim and LGBT society).

      1. Lynda Yilmaz 4 Jul 2012, 9:12pm

        Thank you for that Gary. Interesting and comprehensive. My husband is a muslim, my son from another marriage is gay. I live in Turkey where parents often disown openly gay children, although there is a very brave group of Istanbul parents of gay children who are fighting for acceptance of their children, some of their children are dead victims of hate crime. Moderate muslims have a ‘live and let live’ attitude towards LGBT people and Turkey is probably the most liberal muslim country (NOT Islamic state btw) even so, they have a bloody long way to go

        1. Good to hear of some Muslim families and communities who are supportive of LGBT family and friends.

          We hear so much bad news about Muslim people – some of it rightly deserved – its good to hear a balanced and real perspective on the reality, rather than the stereotypes and prejudices.

  25. Biggest ever protest?
    That’ll make two of them then.

  26. Islam is a crime against humanity.

    1. Lynda Yilmaz 4 Jul 2012, 7:18pm

      Oh Sevrin. I’m sorry. I wanted to click ‘like’ and clicked ‘report’ – Sorry sorry sorry. I can’t see anyway of reversing the action.

      1. oh dear I did the same.

  27. Well enjoy your multicultural society those that have supported immigration and labour in the past. You got what you asked for!

    1. Yeah, a country where LGBT people can come from all over the world and live safe in the knowledge that raving homophobes like these will be brought to justice. I’m fairly proud of that.

  28. you pathetic hateful fool!

  29. There is some Islamophobia within the comments on this page and I guess it is understandable to want to fight fire with fire. I don’t want to tar a whole community with one brush but the best way for Muslims to prevent this happening is for the so-called moderate majority to speak out against the bigots. Sadly, I am not going to hold my breath for this.

    1. If the community refuse to stand against such comments then that implies they agree with these freaks. Therefore they wholly deserve to be ‘tarred with the same brush’.

      1. Clearly you have not read all the comments on here then Sevrin – otherwise you would have seen that there are some in their community who do stand against thisl.

        1. a tiny minority who will probably end up with fatwas against them, if they don’t already. It’s the ‘regular joe’ muslims who are too cowardly to speak out, if it is even true that they disagree with these freaks.

  30. AdrianTIppetts 4 Jul 2012, 7:07pm

    A big shame I cannot be there to drown out this illiterate scum. A message to the ‘Muslim Action’ nutbags – go to hell.

    Enjoy the Pride, folks! X

  31. Will that be like the reports to police that you alleged to have made previously, but were unable to provide any officer name or incident number for – oh and what a surprise, I didnt receive any contact from the police about.

    Aiden, you have already been caught out on your lies on numerous occasions – man up, grow up, get a life and stop trolling on websites that clearly have no real concern of yours.

  32. Lynda Yilmaz 4 Jul 2012, 7:17pm

    You again Aiden! I repeat my earlier comment to you. Why are you reading Pink News? Why are you commenting? Religion is a choice, homosexuality is not! Be religious, enjoy your life. You are an idiot and a bigot and the sooner you religious dinosaurs get lost in the mists of time the better for society and humanity!

    1. Lynda

      If you haven’t had the pleasure of seeing Aiden before, he is a troll.

      He claims to be a married man with children and a member of the far right extremist British Freedom Party (or something like that – he probably made it up!).

      He enjoys provoking homophobia and abuse at people and suggesting LGBT people should be harmed or treated unfairly.

      He has been caught out lying many times – including posting links to claimed photographs of himself, there have been two completely different people shown (both available for purchase at photoshop!), he has claimed to have reported me and others to the police – but the police never contacted me, and when I asked him for an incident number or officer contact details he was unable to do so.

      All in all, Aiden is a troll who claims to revel in homophobia. All he revels in is attention. He isn’t clever enough to make up lies that he doesnt get caught in – or to be able to admit his errors.

      Ignore him or report him and Pink News will block

      1. Lynda Yilmaz 4 Jul 2012, 8:59pm

        Thank you Stu. i haven’t encountered him before and clearly I played into his hands. I wont give him the satisfaction of a reply again. Although he’s definitely got some interesting issues personal issues. Thanks again.

      2. Rachel Haytread 4 Jul 2012, 9:16pm

        Hello Stu sweetheart.

        The British Freedom Party do exist. They have arisen out of the rapidly self-destructing EDL and are strongly supported by and run by members of the EDL leadership. They claim to be against homophobia and follow the EDL party line in this respect.

        I read somewhere recently that any group using the word ‘freedom’ in its’ name was actually against freedom.

        When I began supporting the EDL it was precisely to counter the unopposed hatred and vilification of the LGBT community by Islamic extremists. It hasn’t worked. The dangers to us posed by Muslim haters grows. The initial aims of the EDL become twisted and overtaken by those with other agendas. What’s a girl to do?

        Still, PARAMEDICS ROCK!

        Love Rachel xxx

        1. Hey Rachel

          You made me smile again.

          I wasnt sure of the name of the party Aiden mentioned – I am sure whichever party it is exists – not convinced of his membership though! If your comments about their thoughts on homophobia are true (and certainly its website seems to support some LGBT issues!) then Aiden would appear not to act in a manner compatible with its aims.

          You might have just about persuaded me that some people in EDL are not homophobic, unfortunately I do not think that can be said about every member or the way the organisation is run.

          Stu x

  33. Clicked the wrong button guys (sorry). I am not going to give Aiden the pleasure of putting on here what I really think about him.

  34. Can we also look forward to protests about child grooming and exploitation?

  35. Here again Aiden? Does your wife/girl friend know?

    1. Much like “Aiden” himself I imagine any wife or girlfriend would ezist purely in his backwards mind

  36. Why don’t these people go back to whatever backwards country they came from? Why do they have to pollute civilized places with their toxic, ignorant, archaic, bigoted thinking? Get the hell out if you don’t like it.

    1. Anyone got any answer to my question I pose above

      What is they are born British extremists and refuse to leave the UK or no other nation will take them?

      Then what do we do?

  37. Rachel Haytread 4 Jul 2012, 8:31pm

    As an outsider, what do you think of the human race?

  38. Rachel Haytread 4 Jul 2012, 8:47pm

    The recent story in the news about Muslims regarding themselves as true Brits is pertinent to this discussion.

    The non-Muslim population of this country is terrified to speak about any matter relating to race or cultural identity. Why? Because they will be labelled racist. So everyone keeps their mouths shut, keeps their head down and internalises their rage and feelings of powerlessness.

    Muslims know this. They know that they can do as they wish because we, by our cowardice and fear, have handed them the power over us. Perhaps it is time for all non-Muslims, especially those from the LGBT community, to emigrate. This is not our country.

    1. You first.

      1. Rachel Haytread 4 Jul 2012, 9:46pm

        j2h, only if you promise to carry my luggage.

        1. Poor dear, can’t you carry your own?

  39. Mr. Ahmed stands for Truth. That’s the point! Good luck!

  40. Helge Vladimir Tiller 4 Jul 2012, 9:34pm

    Love multiplies-hate divides.

  41. To everyone suggesting these people go “back where they came from” (assuming, of course, that that isn’t Britain) – I’d personally rather they were in a country where they’ll be rightfully vilified and can be prosecuted for their actions than somewhere they’re free to spread their poison.

    LGBT people do not only exist in liberal western democracies – we’re everywhere, and as long as homophobia exists we all need to fight it together. To dismiss entire Middle Eastern and African nations with a cursory “f*** ‘em, they’re all backward” is to do the LGBT communities in those countries a terrible disservice.

  42. that is all 4 Jul 2012, 10:16pm

    islam=scum

  43. Thought I would look for some evidence of Muslims supporting LGBT people and/or opposing homophobic hatred, this is what I found:

    “One of Scotland’s leading Muslim academics is challenging his religion’s orthodox opinion on homosexuality by suggesting Islam is compatible with a gay lifestyle. Dr Amanullah De Sondy says there is evidence in Islamic history to support his claim but said conservative Muslims refuse to acknowledge it as they are “deeply homophobic”.”
    http://www.spittoon.org/archives/1724

    LGBTQI Muslim Support Group
    http://imaanlondon.wordpress.com/

    “Two gay Muslim men have married in France – where marriage between gay people is not yet recognised – with the blessing of an imam.”
    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/04/09/gay-muslim-men-have-marriage-blessed-in-france/

    Article about Gay Muslims in the west
    http://www.advocate.com/news/news-features/2011/10/11/pink-crescents-being-gay-and-muslim

    “She said it also sent out a message that Derbyshire Constabulary will not

    1. tolerate any form of hate crime and will deal with such crimes in a “robust manner”. She added that such behaviour was not widespread in the community and that the wider Muslim community did not agree with the content of the leaflets. “They’re very pleased that the police have taken positive action and I’m sure they’ll be very pleased with the outcome too.””
      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/men-found-guilty-of-handing-out-antihomosexuality-leaflets-6292246.html

    2. Seems there are some LGBT supportive Muslims – we shouldnt perhaps rush to stereotype

      I don’t appreciate some of the gay stereotypes about that do not match me – I try not to slip into the same lazy traps others do.

  44. Staircase2 5 Jul 2012, 1:08am

    “As Muslims it is our duty to forbid this major, deplorable evil of society”

    …er…no it isn’t…

  45. Tan Gentile 5 Jul 2012, 9:07am

    I wish some of the closeted gay Muslim men I’ve dated (or at least, had sex with, since they’re often afraid of becoming emotionally involved) would march in a Pride parade. It would do them a world of good–and also be good for the world. NO MORE CLOSET CASES.

  46. Last year 3 muslims handed out leaflets suggesting gays should be hanged. All 3 were convicted earlier this year of intending to stir up hatred against the LGBT community. Where did these leaflets get produced and printed? Was it the Mosque itself? The Police should investigate this and prosecute the printer / publisher of such material and if in this case, or others, its proved that the material was produced within the mosque then that should be grounds enough to have a substantial fine imposed or the mosque closed down. I am fed up of religious extremists, of all persuasions, using their faith as a weapon of hate against others! It has to stop and the full force of the law must be used. We do not live in an Islamic state. If these people are so angered and offended by the people that surround them, then you are free to leave this country and settle in one where your homophobia is seen as the norm. It’s NOT acceptable here!

    1. I tend to agree.

      In the opening statement of the prosecution of the men convicted of inciting homophobic hatred by distributing these leaflets, the prosecuting barrister stated “The leaflets you will see are not educational or simply informative. They are, we suggest, threatening, offensive, frightening and nasty”. Surely, this would have been obvious to author, publisher, printer, distributer, reader and criminal investigator alike?

      This being the case surely authors, publishers and printers are potentially as culpable as distributers?

      Proving actual incitement may be problematic but conspiracy or aiding and abetting might be less difficult – as they would know, or ought to have known, the purpose of the leaflet?

  47. I think the desire of these people to create an ‘Islamic State’, although (hopefully!) a grandiose fantasy, should not be overlooked, because it encourages contempt for the laws and liberties of the secular democratic state.

  48. The best solution is for the pride parade in derby to go off without a hitch, for everyone to have fun, and for all the protesters to be drowned out by those enjoying the parade. They will, surely, outnumber them 50 to 1?

    1. I obviously mean pride-goers outnumber protesters.

      And my caps key is obviously not working today. I know that Derby should have a capital ‘D’.

    2. Muhammad Left 5 Jul 2012, 5:37pm

      That certainly is the best solution, it doesn’t make much sense to celebrate diversity by arresting people for expressing their beliefs even if they are wrong.

  49. Jock S. Trap 5 Jul 2012, 12:25pm

    This coming from people who want to be above any law of the land. If that’s not special rights I don’t know what it.

    If you can’t treat people with decency and respect then surely you get to expect being treated in exactly the same way.

  50. Looking through these comments i dont see it mention regarding gay people in the koran which states all gay people must be beheaded,this is why their leaders dont speak out about it,because they all share the same view.

  51. Yemen is a great example of one of these Sharia countries hailed as an example by this man.

    In Yemen, homosexuals can be killed, but it’s legal for an old man to rape a 9-year-old.

    The Sharia brigade use this pretence of ‘morality’ when really, all they want to do is stop consensual sex altogether.

    They’re (and I don’t mean all Muslims) much happier seeing little girls get raped by old men (which is seen as holy, such as in Bukhari’s reporting of Muhammed’s relationship with 9yo Aisha), than they are with 2 adult men or women living together and having consensual sex.

    Some dodgy morality.

  52. until the west gets pretty serious with “instant, whole family deportation and nationality revocation” this is going to continue.

    We are so stupid as to involve them in our political endless human rights jargon, while nobody would mind if they are thrown in the middle of the desert-where they belong.

  53. Deport them and all the Sikhs, too. Why do these foreigners get to impose their depraved beliefs on us?

    People from these backward religions should be banned from entering every Western country. (Notice that the Hindus have been s Ilene throughout the entire gay marriage debate.)

    Remember, a poll found 0% of Muslims in the UK view homosexuality as “moral” (France: ~27; Germany ~11)

  54. they need to face the fact that many Muslims are homosexual or lesbian and to deny it is mere hypocrisy.

  55. Yep. Safe to say that religion has outstayed it’s welcome.

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