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London: Calls to replace Pride organisers for 2013

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  1. London Pride 1997, fantastic year for Pride, gathering in Hyde Park behind the floats, all were welcome, disband at Embankment then onto Clapham Common for a massive party.

    Pride then went tits up the following year and has never been able to get it right. It is clearly now run by a load of incompetents who should all resign and allow a new team to take over!

    1. Jock S. Trap 3 Jul 2012, 3:51pm

      Totally agree. We clearly need people who know how to fundraise and run a organisation effectively in the best efforts of all those who wish to participate.

      1. I’d love to be able to work for Pride and organsie the event, I am sure that I could do a much better job than the current team! And for the same salary that I am currently on.

        As I understand it, many of the current team are paying themselves too much.

        1. Jock S. Trap 3 Jul 2012, 5:38pm

          Which probably explains why they’ve got shortfalls.

          Personally I think this is a job for the best people who see the event more than the money they can earn out of it. It should be that the money goes into Pride not into pockets. Then if a job well done maybe funds to reflect that, there seems to be too much greed at the expensive of those who wish to have the best event possible.

          1. Indeed, I would be more than happy to do a job there for the same salary that I currently receive.

        2. Patrick Lyster-Todd 4 Jul 2012, 11:25am

          I’m not sure what you base your comment upon. Pride London is a registered charity and its directors, by law, may not be paid for the work they do – only receive ‘out of pocket’ expenses. The organisation can, of course, act as an employer and pay for staff – but I’m not sure that they do. Either way, as a charity, any employee would most likely be on a fixed salary, recruited openly and transparently and not just appointed.

    2. I totally agree with you London Pride 1997 was great!

    3. Staircase2 4 Jul 2012, 1:20am

      Wasn’t 1997 the last proper free Pride before they started charging?
      If so then no it wasn’t AT ALL a ‘fantastic year for Pride’

      Too much has been taken from the notion of ‘Pink Pound’ businesses and from the idea of Sydney Mardi Gras.

      UK Pride wasn’t just a show for the straight tourists, it was originally a political event spurred by a political march (not ‘parade’).

      For many of us the festival in the park WAS Pride – and was an equally important part of us feeling PRIDE in our sexuality. It was a coming of age celebration; a rite of passage for many of us in its own right…

      Its now became a) a hijacked attempt at commercial money-spinning (which has generally failed because so many people have been turned off by its greed) and b) a fluffy fluffy event for straight tourists pandering to the laziest of gay cliches and stereotypes.

      What was truly amazing for me when I first attended Pride back in the day, was how INCREDIBLY diverse it was….

      1. Patrick Lyster-Todd 4 Jul 2012, 11:37am

        I couldn’t disagree more with aspects of what you say. We really need to grip that certain things do not come for free. The real reason why the 1997 Pride event at Clapham Common was the last put on by the then Pride Trust was entirely due to the fact that those attending did not donate (voluntarily) sufficient to cover the costs (staging, power, security, fencing, loos, the funfair, publicity and much else) of putting on the event: £2 per head was needed, £5 was asked for as a voluntary donation – and 32p was averaged. Most attending didn’t pay a thing – thought they had some ‘right’ to have a free party in the park with no responsibility to contribute towards the unavoidable costs. That’s why, ever since, any ‘party in the park’ has had to be ticketed. This is all rather like wanting Glastonbury, for instance, to be free. The tickets are actually about £200 a head and sell out (all 160,000 odd of them) within hours … You get what you pay for.

  2. Spanner1960 3 Jul 2012, 3:23pm

    All that will happen is one bunch of Muppets will get replaced by another equally incompetent bunch of squabbling, bitchy, incompetent queens.

    Either leave it to straight professionals, or just pack it in.

    1. Jock S. Trap 3 Jul 2012, 3:49pm

      is there anything you don’t try to put down and stereotype. I mean if we’re talking about bitchy, incompetent ‘queens’ (I’ll add bitter) then I guess we need not look any further than Spanner1960!

    2. “incompetent bunch of squabbling, bitchy, incompetent queens.”

      You should offer your services then, Spanner, from your comment you’re perfectly qualified.

    3. Patrick Lyster-Todd 4 Jul 2012, 11:52am

      There are plenty of competent, gay professionals in London … However, I’m not really sure sexuality is the key issue here: competence, integrity and transparency are …

  3. Jock S. Trap 3 Jul 2012, 3:47pm

    I have to take my hat of and praise all those groups, facebook groups etc that are tirelessly campaigning for more to be done to bring back a WorldPride we can be proud of.

    Those London Pride organisers need to see the shame they have brought and resign. There incompetence has left a bitter taste and much needs to be done to restore some dignity within our community.

  4. Public meting. A very good move. I’ll be there.

  5. Rachel Haytread 3 Jul 2012, 4:12pm

    Thank-you Pride committee members for your efforts but it is time you considered the groundswell of public opinion against you and handed over the reins to others. Although who would want to take on such a demanding and thankless task is beyond me. See you on Saturday. xxx

  6. Robert in S. Kensington 3 Jul 2012, 4:34pm

    Even if another team takes over, it’s too late now. We couldn’t organise a pi_s-up at a bloody brewery even if we tried. No other country seems to be having these kinds of easy to solve problems, only us. It’s a huge embarrassment and a reflection on how badly London will be seen around the world. Another supposedly gay-friendly city to avoid for foreign gay travellers for sure. I know I would.

    1. GingerlyColors 3 Jul 2012, 7:03pm

      I was going to type something about pi_s ups and breweries myself!

  7. Completely disagree with PrideTrust about Boris being responsible for putting the funding in place. This is _OUR_ event and the main objective, aside from having a party, is to affect change. How can you do that with any credibility when you’re funded by the government?

    1. Patrick Lyster-Todd 4 Jul 2012, 11:44am

      No event like this is going to work without full, open and professionally managed liaison with the London authorities – specificallly the Met Police, Westminster City Council, the GLA and London Mayor. Our Pride needs to be accepted in future as one of London’s ‘great annual events’ like the New Year’s Day Parade, Lord Mayor’s Parade and Notting Hill Carnival etc. All of these receive sponsorship from numerous sources. No one individual or organisation should pay for it all – but no appropriate fuding should be excluded. That includes any monies put up by the Mayor (in this instance paying for most of the Trafalgar Square costs, I believe).

  8. I should think this would be bloody obvious.

  9. Aryu Gaetu 3 Jul 2012, 5:40pm

    Getting a Pride Parade team isn’t rocket science. You create it just as you would in starting a business:
    – Get the “A” players, the successful business leaders and entertainment producers.
    – Large doesn’t mean complex. Keep it to a single theme (“Moving the World Forward”, etc.) “Pride” is too old and nebulous for 2013. Keep it simple, fewer problems. In the planning, create fifty tiny parades, each mini-parade is left to an organization or company to design with floats, bands, performers, etc., and strongly encouraged to throw their corporate-branded free stuff into the crowd.

    Create the parade as if it were a major West End theater production. Every 100 ft is another spectacular act. “Always leave them wanting more” ~ Walt Disney

    1. Staircase2 4 Jul 2012, 1:24am

      Personally I think the idea of Pride being a) called a ‘Parade’ and b) being run ‘as if it were a major West End theatre production both completely misses the point and also sends ENORMOUS shivers down my spine…!

      THATS exactly the kind of fluffy bollocks that we’ve had ever since Pride was hijacked in the first place…

      How can the term ‘Pride’ be seen as ‘nebulous’…? Its a really simple concept…(the very fact that people are struggling with what it means it both a reflection of how far we’ve come and also how far we’ve slipped…)

    2. Patrick Lyster-Todd 4 Jul 2012, 11:48am

      50 mini-parades sounds like a recipe for absolute disaster! As it is, the Met will only liaise with one parade organising body – one would have thought that pretty self-evident, particularly in this time of reduced Police funding …

    3. You seem to be thinking in terms of a London Mardi Gras, but I doubt London has the weather, or the streets, for that. Perhaps a slightly more inclusive Notting Hill Carnival would meet your bill?

      Meanwhile there is still a need for a LGB equality march. Since PN’s pictures only seem to show two “Trans” this year, with one placard, I guess the T should be be dropped from the title.

  10. gino meriano 3 Jul 2012, 6:15pm

    LGBT companies should unite and turn Pride to a chairty and elect a board and perfom a hostile take over

    1. Jock S. Trap 3 Jul 2012, 7:00pm

      I feel Pride should be working on the lines of a charity, where money raised is money used for the event and subsequently the good of other charities.

      1. Patrick Lyster-Todd 4 Jul 2012, 11:56am

        Don’t forget that the current organisers – Pride London – are a charity! No – something more is required that just being a charity. That is probably some mechanism which allows full involvement of the entire LGBTI community and a lot more transparency and accountability. Plus some professional management (and no egos) …

  11. Nick Maxwell 3 Jul 2012, 6:32pm

    It’s about time we got back to including all of the communites that make up our LGBTQ world; lesbian, gay, bi, trans and queer identitie, all visible and all celebrated. Not forgetting LGBTQ people are older, younger, disabled, black, asian, white, people of faith. It’s about community. London has no sense of LGBT community, it’s all about the gay scene. Lets reclaim pride in community.

    1. Staircase2 4 Jul 2012, 1:28am

      well said! :o)

  12. Aside from the clear incompetence of the organisers, who should all resign on Sunday, I wonder how much responsibility is born by various members of the London Assembly, Westminster Council. Are some of them supporters of Coalition 4Marriage? And would they be only too happy to have obliquely facilitated a PR disaster for the ‘gay community’ (whatever that is exactly)? Does anyone know the details of this?

    I bet there are many many old bigots rubbing their hands in glee at this own-goal by those “frightful uppity gays.”

  13. Jock S. Trap 3 Jul 2012, 6:59pm

    When we get the same Rights and respect you seek from every day life we may just think about it.

    Until then see us coming, Hear us Being who we are!

  14. Terry Stewart 3 Jul 2012, 10:10pm

    Who are Pride Trust. Never heard of them and Pink you have not told us anything about the. Not a very trusting start..

    Well I am going to go with the most Open, Representative Transparent and Democratic New Pride body which has yet to be mentioned let alone named.

  15. Julian Morrison 4 Jul 2012, 12:19am

    Question for everyone who thinks fundraising is easy to solve: have you noticed there’s a recession on? At least, if you’re not a banker.

    If you wonder where Pride went, look to the City of London.

    1. Let’s see how hard “the City of London” hits the Nottinghill Carnival next month shall we !? looks like that’s going ahead full scale with no problems.

  16. Staircase2 4 Jul 2012, 1:27am

    ‘he’…? I think you mean ‘He’ surely…

    And I deeply suspect that God has far more important things on his hands than conjuring up rainclouds simply to keep a bunch of reactionary bigots who want to distort His image quiet on a Saturday afternoon….

    I think its pretty clear who it is that actually needs to do the ‘growing up’ and avoiding causing ‘havoc to others’ here…

  17. “and I shall be praying to god that he sends rain and storms.”

    Screaming at god, more like.

    Its great you believe in god when he’s dealt you such a poor deal.

  18. Robert thomas 5 Jul 2012, 6:38pm

    London was awarded the honour of hosting World Pride. People are coming to London from all over the world expecting the very best .This is a total embarrassment to London. I was in Madrid last week for their pride event which saw over 1 million people line the streets watching a 3+ hour parade with many floats and music stages etc. Where is London’s contingency plan? This should have never happened. For once i feel shame to be a Londoner and feel so sorry for the thousands of international tourists who have paid a great deal to travel and stay in London for World Pride

  19. Diana Taylor 11 Jul 2012, 5:05pm

    If you are interested in commenting/helping/volunteering for Pride London 2013 please join our Facebook group
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/CommunityforPrideLondon2013/

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